Food stolen from counter in a takeaway

stefan.kuntz

moc moc a moc wrote: »

Might be sensible to change your title to 'Food and money stolen from counter', unless your friend is planning to sue over a cod and chips...

I thought it was a pepperoni pizza?

the_pen_turner

I think its fair to say that the change is very small in this. when ever I go the chipper for the 2 of us it is around 17 euro. a few friend could easily put it up at over 40 euro.

the takeaway is fully responsible here.
they should have left the food in the heated box and the change behind the counter until the customer returned.

Little CuChulainn

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

The OP seems to suggest takeaway operator handed over the food, they didn't just walk in and take it.
Its still theft by the people who walked away with the food, but the question is, is the takeaway liable? In a way they are an innocent party that fell victim to fraud. Imagine you pay for a car and someone else shows up and picks it up. Does the car dealer owe you a new car? I'm leaning towards "tough sh*t" on this one.
Human decency would suggest it would be good business practice by the restaurant to give OP's friend another meal on the house, but that's not a legal matter.

MadDog76 wrote: »

Just basing it on the Op, I tend to read them. :rolleyes:

To quote the op

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

The guy at the counter left the food and the change on the counter. The scumbags told the one at the counter that they were with my friend and took the food and change and left.

MadDog76

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

The guy at the counter left the food and the change on the counter. The scumbags told the one at the counter that they were with my friend and took the food and change and left.

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

To quote the op

To quote the op

degsie

One clarification required. The customer paid up front it is claimed, so how come it's stated that the food and change were left on the counter at the same time? Did the merchant take the payment, cook the food and waited for the food to be packaged before deciding to hand over the change. Seems bizarre.

Little CuChulainn

MadDog76 wrote: »

To quote the op

Well done. You know how to quote. Doesn't say he gave them anything. he left it on the counter. The scumbags came in and took it from the counter. Does not say he gave them anything.

MadDog76

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Well done. You know how to quote. Doesn't say he gave them anything. he left it on the counter. The scumbags came in and took it from the counter. Does not say he gave them anything.

"The scumbags told the one at the counter that they were with my friend and took the food and change and left." .......... meaning that the cashier was standing behind the counter with the food and money on the counter in front of him.
The "scumbags" couldn't just take the food and money without first seeking permission from the cashier, they told the cashier that they were "with" the customer at which point the cashier could have said "ok, tell your friend to come back in to collect his food and change so ........" but he didn't, he gave them the ok to take it, ie. he handed it over to them.
It's really not that complicated or difficult to understand.

Little CuChulainn

MadDog76 wrote: »

The "scumbags" couldn't just take the food and money without first seeking permission from the cashier,

Why not? Did he have them chained to the counter?

MadDog76

degsie wrote: »

One clarification required. The customer paid up front it is claimed, so how come it's stated that the food and change were left on the counter at the same time? Did the merchant take the payment, cook the food and waited for the food to be packaged before deciding to hand over the change. Seems bizarre.

No, the customer paid up when he was told it would only be a few more minutes before his food would be ready ......... it's in the thread.

MadDog76

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Why not? Did he have them chained to the counter?

So why didn't they just snatch it from the counter and leave whilst nobody was looking? Why did they feel the need to clarify with the cashier first??

You're no Sherlock Holmes are ya!!

Notavirus.exe

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

Why not? Did he have them chained to the counter?

The cashier left the food and change on the counter and stood beside it.

It was attended, albeit by an idiot. I don't think it's fair that the takeaway don't accept responsibility for giving the food to the wrong person.

Note: My friend went to the Guards but was told that they can't do anything about it. That's why I created the thread because the cashier doesn't want anything to do with it despite being the person at fault.

degsie

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

The cashier left the food and change on the counter and stood beside it.

It was attended, albeit by an idiot. I don't think it's fair that the takeaway don't accept responsibility for giving the food to the wrong person.

Note: My friend went to the Guards but was told that they can't do anything about it. That's why I created the thread because the cashier doesn't want anything to do with it despite being the person at fault.

So your friend takes zero responsibility, even given that he blanked the guy at the counter when a call came in on his phone?

Notavirus.exe

degsie wrote: »

So your friend takes zero responsibility, even given that he blanked the guy at the counter when a call came in on his phone?

He didn't "blank" him. He wasn't at the counter when his phone rang. He was told his food was almost ready and soon after his phone rang. He went up to the counter, handed the guy a €50 note and went outside to talk privately.

stefan.kuntz

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

He didn't "blank" him. He wasn't at the counter when his phone rang. He was told his food was almost ready and soon after his phone rang. He went up to the counter, handed the guy a €50 note and went outside to talk privately.

Were you one who called him?

Little CuChulainn

MadDog76 wrote: »

So why didn't they just snatch it from the counter and leave whilst nobody was looking? Why did they feel the need to clarify with the cashier first??

So as not to raise suspicion that he was stealing.

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

The cashier left the food and change on the counter and stood beside it.

It was attended, albeit by an idiot. I don't think it's fair that the takeaway don't accept responsibility for giving the food to the wrong person.

Note: My friend went to the Guards but was told that they can't do anything about it. That's why I created the thread because the cashier doesn't want anything to do with it despite being the person at fault.

The Gardaí can only prosecute the thief, they can't get the money back for the food.

stefan.kuntz

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

So as not to raise suspicion that he was stealing.



The Gardaí can only prosecute the thief, they can't get the money back for the food.

He food is probably cold at this stage anyway.

Notavirus.exe

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

The Gardaí can only prosecute the thief, they can't get the money back for the food.

They said they can't do anything about the thieves. I'm not sure why though.

stefan.kuntz

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

They said they can't do anything about the thieves. I'm not sure why though.

Because they don't believe your 'friend' maybe?

To Elland Back

degsie wrote: »

One clarification required. The customer paid up front it is claimed, so how come it's stated that the food and change were left on the counter at the same time? Did the merchant take the payment, cook the food and waited for the food to be packaged before deciding to hand over the change. Seems bizarre.

I have to agree with this. If I part with money, I want my change immediately. I don't mind waiting for the food. You say the food and the change was put on the counter. That would indicate the cashier held on to the change until the food was ready to hand over. I've never seen that happen, ever

TheChizler

stefan.kuntz wrote: »

Because they don't believe your 'friend' maybe?

What's with accusing the op and friend of lying? If they're looking for opinions based on false information then the only people they're fooling are themseves.
They're not asking us to storm the takeaway to get the money back or anything.

stefan.kuntz

TheChizler wrote: »

What's with accusing the op and friend of lying? If they're looking for opinions based on false information then the only people they're fooling are themseves.
They're not asking us to storm the takeaway to get the money back or anything.

I was suggesting why the Gardai might not be interested.

Story doesn't hold water, plus OP very selective with the relevant information.

MadDog76

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

So as not to raise suspicion that he was stealing.

Exactly!

If he tried to just take the food/change he would have been challenged so he seeked permission from the cashier to take the food ........ the cashier gave him that permission.

MadDog76

To Elland Back wrote: »

I have to agree with this. If I part with money, I want my change immediately. I don't mind waiting for the food. You say the food and the change was put on the counter. That would indicate the cashier held on to the change until the food was ready to hand over. I've never seen that happen, ever

That's not exactly how it happened, you'll need to read the thread.

MadDog76

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

Note: My friend went to the Guards but was told that they can't do anything about it. That's why I created the thread because the cashier doesn't want anything to do with it despite being the person at fault.

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

They said they can't do anything about the thieves. I'm not sure why though.

You'll often find that you have to push/force the Guards to do their job.
If the Guard at the reception desk doesn't want to fill in the paperwork then tell your friend to ask to speak his superior and keep pushing until they take his complaint seriously, ie. make them to do their job.

To Elland Back

MadDog76 wrote: »

That's not exactly how it happened, you'll need to read the thread.

I did, the OP later said that the cashier had to take the money, tot up the bill and that it was a large order. So it implies the the friend parted with his €50 and went outside without waiting for his change. I'm not saying that didn't happen, but it was a very foolish thing to do

armaghlad

MadDog76 wrote: »

You'll often find that you have to push/force the Guards to do their job.
If the Guard at the reception desk doesn't want to fill in the paperwork then tell your friend to ask to speak his superior and keep pushing until they take his complaint seriously, ie. make them to do their job.

Exactly. If it was a shop that was down €50 worth of stock you can guarantee the Guards would look into it.

Little CuChulainn

MadDog76 wrote: »

Exactly!

If he tried to just take the food/change he would have been challenged so he seeked permission from the cashier to take the food ........ the cashier gave him that permission.

It's still a theft. He just used a distraction to accomplish it.

MadDog76

Little CuChulainn wrote: »

It's still a theft. He just used a distraction to accomplish it.

Nobody on here claimed it was anything but theft?

The thread is about the liability of the takeaway, specifically the cashier, as they agreed to the thief removing the food/change from the counter/takeaway albeit mistakenly.

Pat Mustard

Mod:

degsie and stefan.kuntz, the two of you have been trolling all the way through this thread.

Please do not post in this thread again.

Other posters, please try to keep on topic or this thread will have to be closed.

esforum

who thanks a mod post that has called them a troll and banned them from the thread? Seriously?

So anyway, we are all agreed, when ordering food its best not to answer the phone because takeaways are sometimes frequented by cheeky chaps who will nick your food and anything else not nailed down while the cashier wont feel the slighest bit inclined to care.