Planning Permission for Bayside shopping center demolition granted

marvin42

Just to prove that there is not only Insomia and Starbucks happening at this end of town :-)

permission can found on Fingal website:
Planning Reference: F15A/0436

cant wait to see the old building gone!

odyssey06

Versus what was proposed in 2010 there will be more retail\amenity space and less allotted to apartments... Will be interested to see who is lined up as anchor for the food store...

subpar

Brilliant news.

The old centre was tired and worn out and long past its replacement date

marvin42

subpar wrote: »

Brilliant news.

The old centre was tired and worn out and long past its replacement date

yea, it really looks like some gloomy place in eastern Europe :-)

ProudDUB

Where is Bayside Shopping Centre? Is it the one with the Eurospar and a church in the car park?

BowWow

Hopefully the new centre will have a Starbucks or Insomnia in it

marvin42

ProudDUB wrote: »

Where is Bayside Shopping Centre? Is it the one with the Eurospar and a church in the car park?

Yes, and part of the apartment blocks will be also demolished.

PlayByTheRules

Pity the whole site is not knockable

PlayByTheRules

Any updates?

BowWow

Hoardings going up around a large part of the car park for a builder's compound. Staff in shops saying construction is starting on an Aldi - happy days if correct.

Dr Crayfish

I wish they'd do the same to Edenmore "shopping centre", it's hideous, belongs in the past

L1011

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

I wish they'd do the same to Edenmore "shopping centre", it's hideous, belongs in the past

The pub is never reopening (licence transferred out) and the old Iceland unit is still empty I think. Has the doctors surgery moved out? Leaves a very extensive section that could be removed.

subpar

If ALDI are opening what happens to Eurospar

francois

Dr Crayfish wrote: »

I wish they'd do the same to Edenmore "shopping centre", it's hideous, belongs in the past

Nothing can be as bad as the eyesore that masquerades as the Crumlin shopping centre

PlayByTheRules

BowWow wrote: »

Hoardings going up around a large part of the car park for a builder's compound. Staff in shops saying construction is starting on an Aldi - happy days if correct.

Great news. Hopefully they tidy up the appearance of those apartments above the stores too. I wonder what state those apartments are in? They look bleak from the outside.

neris

francois wrote: »

Nothing can be as bad as the eyesore that masquerades as the Crumlin shopping centre

ballymun? donaghmede and northside arent much better either

L1011

Northside has had a full internal and external refit in the past 3 years.

Dr Crayfish

Northside actually looks good these days, a far cry from the 90s with aul ones walking around the place smoking etc, lol

PlayByTheRules

Anybody know what store is going in at Bayside when complete? The area will look so much better with this site cleaned up and redeveloped.

Conchir

PlayByTheRules wrote: »

Anybody know what store is going in at Bayside when complete? The area will look so much better with this site cleaned up and redeveloped.

I could swear I saw Aldi mentioned somewhere, but I can't remember where I saw it.

Fiolina

Conchir wrote: »

I could swear I saw Aldi mentioned somewhere, but I can't remember where I saw it.

I've heard Aldi from a few locals too

Davy

PlayByTheRules wrote: »

Anybody know what store is going in at Bayside when complete? The area will look so much better with this site cleaned up and redeveloped.

Pretty sure EuroSpar is moving out for the year, and then move back in to the new larger premises after construction is finished. Post office likewise.

marvin42

Dont think Eurospar will be back, as they closed from one day to the other without any "thank you for your service and looking forward to see you in our new shop in ......."
In fact, it seems even the staff was only informed about the closure last minute.
Local rumor (as already said) is ALDI.

expectationlost

marvin42 wrote: »

Dont think Eurospar will be back, as they closed from one day to the other without any "thank you for your service and looking forward to see you in our new shop in ......."
In fact, it seems even the staff was only informed about the closure last minute.
Local rumor (as already said) is ALDI.

so who is actually operating the tempory shop? the management company?

Clarec1980

As far as I know eurospar run the temporary shop.
I also heard that it's not Aldi going in due to an issue with no underground car park. But this could be just bayside gossip.

Alicano

Great to see some redevelopment happening. Long time coming. They allowed that whole site and car park fall into ruin so well played by those involved.
Please tell me something is being done with the decrepit squash and leisure centre?? Great place in the 80's. But fallen to ruin since.
#Baysidepride

marvin42

yes, the squash center is also to be demolished, as far as i know in phase 2 of the redevelopment of the shopping center. All in all it is supposed to take three years to complete all the redevelopment. The Old SPAR/Centra was demolished this week.
more detailed info here:
documents.fingalcoco.ie/NorthgatePublicDocs/00504921.pdf

vg88

Any update of what's being built?

Clarec1980

moloner4 wrote: »

Any update of what's being built?

I heard phase 1 will be finished by Nov.

PlayByTheRules

Here are visuals of what it will look like when finished.
http://documents.fingalcoco.ie/NorthgatePublicDocs/00504943.pdf


Planning Reference:
F15A/0436

Date of Application:
18-Sep-2015

Date of Registration:
26-Jan-2016

Application Type:
Permission

Case Officer:
Una O'Neill

Applicant:
Bayside Centre Management & Urban Pulse

Location:
Bayside Shopping Centre, Bayside Square, Sutton, Dublin 13.

marvin42

demolition work for phase 1 is done since a couple of weeks, and workers are working on the foundations now.... finishing by November should be possible.

sdanseo

L1011 wrote: »

Northside has had a full internal and external refit in the past 3 years.

And yet it's still a kip with too little parking, located on a main road that is constantly gridlocked from dawn till dusk, populated by z-list stores and windy low ceiling corridors.

it will never amount to anything more than a local hub with its present layout or footprint. Should have been knocked and rebuilt (or the site sold).

L

marvin42 wrote: »

demolition work for phase 1 is done since a couple of weeks, and workers are working on the foundations now.... finishing by November should be possible.

Has there been any info on what shops are moving in when it's done yet?

BowWow

http://planning.fingalcoco.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayURL?theApnID=F18A/0425

Loadedscream

BowWow wrote: »

http://planning.fingalcoco.ie/swiftlg/apas/run/WPHAPPDETAIL.DisplayURL?theApnID=F18A/0425

Thats a little odd at this stage isnt it, i see the main cores of the building are already up and look to be three storeys anyway so they are obviously expecting to get the permission. Will delay it no end if there are appeals. Has it been announced that Aldi will be going in?

Alicano

Any idea what supermarket is going in there? Nothing but rumours still. Thanks

s8n

Heatons

info91

Anyone any idea what's going on with the redevelopment of Bayside Centre in Dublin 13. Almost a year into project now and progress is very slow?. Very few men on site most days?...and the new supermarket is in phase 2 of the project....could be years before it finishes. The project seems to be in real contrast to most other building projects these days where buildings seem to fly up.

expectationlost

they applied to add a floor of apartments and council asked for further information a couple of weeks back

Loadedscream

info91 wrote: »

Anyone any idea what's going on with the redevelopment of Bayside Centre in Dublin 13. Almost a year into project now and progress is very slow?. Very few men on site most days?...and the new supermarket is in phase 2 of the project....could be years before it finishes. The project seems to be in real contrast to most other building projects these days where buildings seem to fly up.

The original planning said that it would be a 36mth building project and as mentioned the recent application to change the scheme would probably add to that. Very slow

Has there been any confirmation that its ALDI going into it? The floor space for the anchor shop looks quite small compared to their standard stores.

PlayByTheRules

We're quite far (close to 5-years) into the current building and business cycle, I really hope this one gets finished before the next drop in economic confidence comes around.

neris

Loadedscream wrote: »

The original planning said that it would be a 36mth building project and as mentioned the recent application to change the scheme would probably add to that. Very slow

Has there been any confirmation that its ALDI going into it? The floor space for the anchor shop looks quite small compared to their standard stores.

i cant see aldi going in with the length of time its taking. aldi would have a place knocked up themselves in no time and im sure would expect the same of a developer/landlord

BowWow

info91 wrote: »

...and the new supermarket is in phase 2 of the project...

Local rumour is that Phase 2 will now include a rebuilt Bayside Inn and Community Center. Supermarket space might be big enough for an Aldi yet...

Conchir

BowWow wrote: »

Local rumor is that Phase 2 will now include a rebuilt Bayside Inn and Community Center. Supermarket space might be big enough for an Aldi yet...

Is there anything more than rumour about the Bayside Inn? Quite fond of it

Loadedscream

BowWow wrote: »

Local rumor is that Phase 2 will now include a rebuilt Bayside Inn and Community Center. Supermarket space might be big enough for an Aldi yet...

There are no planning applications even lodged for either the Bayside Inn or the community centre so thats probably unlikely.

expectationlost

even the previous larger plans didn 't involved rebuilding those buildings

PlayByTheRules

Passed it this morning, progress is so slow. Counted maybe 4-5 men on site and they didn't look too busy. They would want to be careful as we are a good few years into this current building cycle and it won't last forever.

expectationlost

I wondered were they going slow in order that they can include that added floor into their workflow


fingal planning asked them to come back with a plan to recess the top floor which they've done so now, its includes having two less apartments on the top floor F18A/0425 http://www.fingal.ie/planning-and-buildings/apply-or-search-for-a-planning-application/search-planning-applications-online/searchplanningapplicationsonline/ http://documents.fingalcoco.ie/NorthgatePublicDocs/00613359.pdf

so they say they was going to be 15 apartments? (including the 4 original ones) and this added floor ( 7 ) and now there will only be 13? so they are applying for exemption to the 10% social housing rule.

those numbers may be wrong buts its really confusing how they describe the number of apartments.

BowWow

Planning Reference:
F18A/0425
Date of Application:
20-Jul-2018
Date of Registration:
31-Oct-2018
Application Type:
Permission
Case Officer:
David Murray
Applicant:
Bayside Centre Management & Urban Pulse
Location:
Bayside Shopping Centre, Bayside Square, Sutton, Dublin 13
Proposal:
Permission for the construction of an additional floor to the permitted View full text
Fingal Co Co Decision:
GRANT PERMISSION
Date of FCC Decision:
21-Nov-2018
Final Grant Date:
Current Status:
Decision Made by Fingal County Council
This application was received by Fingal County Council on 20-Jul-2018 and registered on 31-Oct-2018. On 21-Nov-2018, the decision GRANT PERMISSION was made by Fingal County Council.
Submission/Observation:
The submission/observation period for this application expired on 23-Aug-2018

expectationlost

expectationlost wrote: »

I wondered were they going slow in order that they can include that added floor into their workflow


fingal planning asked them to come back with a plan to recess the top floor which they've done so now, its includes having two less apartments on the top floor F18A/0425 http://www.fingal.ie/planning-and-buildings/apply-or-search-for-a-planning-application/search-planning-applications-online/searchplanningapplicationsonline/ http://documents.fingalcoco.ie/NorthgatePublicDocs/00613359.pdf

so they say they was going to be 15 apartments? (including the 4 original ones) and this added floor ( 7 ) and now there will only be 13? so they are applying for exemption to the 10% social housing rule.

those numbers may be wrong buts its really confusing how they describe the number of apartments.

so 16 apartments in total?

Alicano

Well played by those involved to get what they wanted. Hopefully they hurry the F up now and get it built. 16 apts is a lot. I'll always amiss the squash and leisure