calf with watery/blood scour

Tomjim

I have a 6 week old calf with a watery bloody scour. A bad smell off it.

I gave him a powder and a shot of batyril this evening.

Hes not sick in himself, very hard to catch and dose, very hardy calf so far.

I had a calf who tested postive for rotavec corona (think this is what vet said) nearly 2 weeks ago, but she said because they were older calves, it should work its way out of their system, just keep an eye on them

Any opinions on the guy that now has a watery scour

_Brian

Sounds like the dreaded Coccidiosis.
You need to talk to the vet as its serious if it is and very contagious.

Vecoxan is the treatment we got.

Isolate the calf immediately and start with some electrolytes, 2l twice a day.

whelan2

_Brian wrote: »

Sounds like the dreaded Coccidiosis.
You need to talk to the vet as its serious if it is and very contagious.

Vecoxan is the treatment we got.

Isolate the calf immediately and start with some electrolytes, 2l twice a day.

there is another product called bovicox, found it better than vecoxan and only1 dose rather than the 2 shots of vecoxan

patsy_mccabe

Ya, Vecoxan. Prevention is better than the cure. I always do min at 10 days old on the advice of the Vet in the Farmers Journal . My own Vet thinks 10 days is too early. Vets differ, calves die.:o

Count Mondego

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Ya, Vecoxan. Prevention is better than the cure. I always do min at 10 days old on the advice of the Vet in the Farmers Journal . My own Vet thinks 10 days is too early. Vets differ, calves die.:o

My vet is of the same opinion, and I always did them sat 10 days too. Often had a case of it weeks later though. Will do the a three weeks this year.

Parishlad

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Ya, Vecoxan. Prevention is better than the cure. I always do min at 10 days old on the advice of the Vet in the Farmers Journal . My own Vet thinks 10 days is too early. Vets differ, calves die.:o

What's the thinking behind the 10 days Patsy? Is it that they won't/can't get Coccidiosis any younger than this? Does the Vecoxan only cover them for a certain length of time then?

Have a three day old calf that I noticed last night had a brownish/slightly reddish tinged scour left on the straw. Not bloody looking but it made me take notice. I saw her pass dung later on and it looked solid enough at that time so hopefully nothing to worry about.

whelan2

Parishlad wrote: »

What's the thinking behind the 10 days Patsy? Is it that they won't/can't get Coccidiosis any younger than this? Does the Vecoxan only cover them for a certain length of time then?

Have a three day old calf that I noticed last night had a brownish/slightly reddish tinged scour left on the straw. Not bloody looking but it made me take notice. I saw her pass dung later on and it looked solid enough at that time so hopefully nothing to worry about.

Calves are not born with coccidiosis they meet it. Anytime from day `10 is the ideal time to dose them for it

Water John

Quite often hits them at 5/6 weeks. Its the one you immediately suspect at that age.

patsy_mccabe

This is the Datasheet from www.NPRA.ie
4 weeks seem to be the ideal time, if I'm reading it right, on paragraph 5.1. It lasts for 2 weeks but bridges the gap between the decline of the cows colostrum and the calves increasing immunity.

This might be one for our resident Vet.

Justjens

Use a generic dose here, Tolracol about €160/L. Dose at between two and three weeks 15ml/50kg, so far a great success as I've always had the odd case in the past, the trick to curing it is speed (dose as soon as you notice any blood).

Coccidiosis takes about two weeks to manifest itself in the animal, and dosing at two to three weeks is the manufacturers recommendations.

Tomjim

the vet gave me Bovicox and a nordine (i think this was the name) to inject.

Said there was no need for a sulpha powder

Count Mondego

Parishlad wrote: »

Have a three day old calf that I noticed last night had a brownish/slightly reddish tinged scour left on the straw. Not bloody looking but it made me take notice. I saw her pass dung later on and it looked solid enough at that time so hopefully nothing to worry about.

Nothing at all wrong with that. That's very common the first week with newborn calves. I'd ignore blood in calf dung until they're around 3 weeks old.

greysides

Timing depends on farm circumstances. The recommended time is a starting point and will cover most but timing may need to be delayed a little, for example, where disease occurs after a move to a certain house and so at an older age.

patsy_mccabe

So 4 weeks old would be the recommended time for dosing calves?

RD10

Lads/Ladies - All advice welcome as i'm pretty sure i have fallen victim to this coccidiosis.
Calf with very runny/bloody scour, small parts of what looks like the calf's gut lining mixed in with it.
Calf is 6 & 1/2weeks old, had been out but was brought back inside about 2 weeks ago due to the weather.
Have been onto vet & have given calf two doses of vecoxan over past two days.
Vet also suggested some bimastat powders to also rehydrate and to isolate calf.
Calf dosnt really seem to be that sick in himself, eating and drinking away, maybe a bit of straining after it passes the 'dung'
Has anyone any experience of this?
How long can i expect this to be a problem?
Is it dangerous to in-calf cows? Can they pick it up? What about weanlings, are they likely to pick it up?
I obviously plan to lime the place/disinfect but any tips would be much appreciated.

tanko

RD10 wrote: »

Lads/Ladies - All advice welcome as i'm pretty sure i have fallen victim to this coccidiosis.
Calf with very runny/bloody scour, small parts of what looks like the calf's gut lining mixed in with it.
Calf is 6 & 1/2weeks old, had been out but was brought back inside about 2 weeks ago due to the weather.
Have been onto vet & have given calf two doses of vecoxan over past two days.
Vet also suggested some bimastat powders to also rehydrate and to isolate calf.
Calf dosnt really seem to be that sick in himself, eating and drinking away, maybe a bit of straining after it passes the 'dung'
Has anyone any experience of this?
How long can i expect this to be a problem?
Is it dangerous to in-calf cows? Can they pick it up? What about weanlings, are they likely to pick it up?
I obviously plan to lime the place/disinfect but any tips would be much appreciated.

I'd say every farmer in the country with calves has experience of Coccidiosis. If it's treated properly and promptly it shouldn't be a problem for a calf for more than a couple of days but it's fairly contagious and can spread to other calves.
I've never seen a cow get it but weanlings can get it but not as much as calves.

For young calves like yours i always give one dose of Vecoxan, one shot of Nuflor and one sachet of Sulpha powder split over two days. Always works here anyway.
You should give all your calves a dose of Vecoxan when they're 20 days old to help prevent it.

_Brian

I would now treat any calves you have about the place and every calf that arrives once they are 14days old.

Coccidiosis spreads easily and will be present in the sheds now


Keep the calf hydrated and fed well. When we have any calf with scout it gets natural toughest and kaolin powder twice a day to rebuild gut bacteria and slow the scour.

1373

RD10 wrote: »

Lads/Ladies - All advice welcome as i'm pretty sure i have fallen victim to this coccidiosis.
Calf with very runny/bloody scour, small parts of what looks like the calf's gut lining mixed in with it.
Calf is 6 & 1/2weeks old, had been out but was brought back inside about 2 weeks ago due to the weather.
Have been onto vet & have given calf two doses of vecoxan over past two days.
Vet also suggested some bimastat powders to also rehydrate and to isolate calf.
Calf dosnt really seem to be that sick in himself, eating and drinking away, maybe a bit of straining after it passes the 'dung'
Has anyone any experience of this?
How long can i expect this to be a problem?
Is it dangerous to in-calf cows? Can they pick it up? What about weanlings, are they likely to pick it up?
I obviously plan to lime the place/disinfect but any tips would be much appreciated.

As for the calf that has it , the scouring and forcing , not a lot you can do about that now , that is damage done to the gut lining but will heal itself in time if you keep it fed and minded . It can take up to 2weeks and more for the dung to come right . 9 out of 10 come right if minded and fed

cacs

RD10 wrote: »

Lads/Ladies - All advice welcome as i'm pretty sure i have fallen victim to this coccidiosis.
Calf with very runny/bloody scour, small parts of what looks like the calf's gut lining mixed in with it.
Calf is 6 & 1/2weeks old, had been out but was brought back inside about 2 weeks ago due to the weather.
Have been onto vet & have given calf two doses of vecoxan over past two days.
Vet also suggested some bimastat powders to also rehydrate and to isolate calf.
Calf dosnt really seem to be that sick in himself, eating and drinking away, maybe a bit of straining after it passes the 'dung'
Has anyone any experience of this?
How long can i expect this to be a problem?
Is it dangerous to in-calf cows? Can they pick it up? What about weanlings, are they likely to pick it up?
I obviously plan to lime the place/disinfect but any tips would be much appreciated.

I had the very same thing last year. I was dosing the calf twice a day for three weeks he was passing pieces of guts the whole time. I was sure he was a gonner. Dose with vecoxan, bimistat twice a day until manure starts to come solid. There is 100% no risk to cows or weanlings they more than likely have built up immunity to it. I have been fighting it for years and so far this year I seem to winning the fight. 20 ml vecoxan at 10 days 20 ml more 15-21 days later. The first sight of scour on the ground or on the tails of calf’s 20-30mls of vecoxan and its working.

Good loser

If individual calves have wet tails/quarters it's a sure sign of coccidiosis.
Dose right away with Vecoxan; it's dear - Channelle have a product Chanox.
Haven't seen that for sale anywhere, it could be cheaper.

RD10

Thanks guys. The dung while still not right is far less watery now and beginning to look a more normal colour now, will keep going with bimastat for another day or two.
A new calf here born over the past few days, up the other side of the shed but think i might dose him when he gets to 10days/fortnight old.

cacs

RD10 wrote: »

Thanks guys. The dung while still not right is far less watery now and beginning to look a more normal colour now, will keep going with bimastat for another day or two.
A new calf here born over the past few days, up the other side of the shed but think i might dose him when he gets to 10days/fortnight old.

As I said this is the first year I have got on top of coccidiosis. 10 days first dose. I walk around the shed every day looking at calf dung. Then I check every calf for dirty tails or wet rear, first sight 20-30 ml of vecoxan and the same of bimistat. Keep bimistat going until manure comes right. This honestly has been the best and easiest year. I more early calf’s This year than other year. Firsts sight of wet rear or tails and they get a dose. Don’t second guess. It’s working

Base price

cacs wrote: »

As I said this is the first year I have got on top of coccidiosis. 10 days first dose. I walk around the shed every day looking at calf dung. Then I check every calf for dirty tails or wet rear, first sight 20-30 ml of vecoxan and the same of bimistat. Keep bimistat going until manure comes right. This honestly has been the best and easiest year. I more early calf’s This year than other year. Firsts sight of wet rear or tails and they get a dose. Don’t second guess. It’s working

Can you give us the name of your Vet so the rest of us can get seemingly ample supplies of this POM :mad:
https://www.hpra.ie/HOMEPAGE/veterinary/veterinary-medicines-information/find-a-medicine/item?pano=VPA22033/001/001&t=Bimastat%20Oral%20Suspension