Farming in wrong country

barnaman

http://www.france-agri-invest.com/property_for_sale/74.html

a 400 acres farm in France

http://www.france-agri-invest.com/property_for_sale/68.html

a 760 acres one with 60000 BFP

Both 2 million

How the hell is land in Ireland or the rent for land the price that it is!?

Think if the parents would let me would sell family farm and start using the old Leaving Cert french.

X6.430macman

Second place looks unreal. Wouldn't mind it now. Pity really a place being sold like that and it cost so much. Someone might give a long time paying for it

barnaman

I know it looks so good, know one word not have to learn the French for RUSHES!

Dawggone

barnaman wrote: »

http://www.france-agri-invest.com/property_for_sale/74.html

a 400 acres farm in France

http://www.france-agri-invest.com/property_for_sale/68.html

a 760 acres one with 60000 BFP

Both 2 million

How the hell is land in Ireland or the rent for land the price that it is!?

Think if the parents would let me would sell family farm and start using the old Leaving Cert french.

Both of those farms are seriously overpriced.
Worth about half asking price.
No irrigation...

Bullocks

Dawggone wrote: »

Both of those farms are seriously overpriced.
Worth about half asking price.
No irrigation...

Is beef farming any better over there than here ?

RightTurnClyde

Dawggone wrote: »

Both of those farms are seriously overpriced.
Worth about half asking price.
No irrigation...

Dawg, how does setting up irrigation work. Can irrigation be setup on places without it, or do irrigation rights have to be bought. Are irrigation systems themselves crazy money. Do you draw from public water or is it up to yourself to set up reservoir.

Dawggone

Bullocks wrote: »

Is beef farming any better over there than here ?

I honestly can't answer that. Farms are mixed so there is no specialisation.

I only know of one part time farmer...

The Gardiners from Co. Galway sold a house and 10 acres and are farming down the direction of the farms that Barnaman posted above...they are now farming over 250ha.

Dawggone

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Dawg, how does setting up irrigation work. Can irrigation be setup on places without it, or do irrigation rights have to be bought. Are irrigation systems themselves crazy money. Do you draw from public water or is it up to yourself to set up reservoir.

I'm the last 3yrs trying to push a permit over the line. This would allow me to flood a valley with winter rains and all I'd have to do is build a dam. Every treehugger in the country is against it...

To give an idea of cost a neighbor built a small lake last year costing €225k. It has to be filled during winter with water pumped from a river, and then pumped back out during summer. That lake only irrigates 14ha.

Deep well irrigation is contentious atm because of the water table dropping. Permits are hard fought...

The only way to get into irrigation is to buy a farm with the lot in situ.

yosemitesam1

Dawggone wrote: »

I'm the last 3yrs trying to push a permit over the line. This would allow me to flood a valley with winter rains and all I'd have to do is build a dam. Every treehugger in the country is against it...

To give an idea of cost a neighbor built a small lake last year costing €225k. It has to be filled during winter with water pumped from a river, and then pumped back out during summer. That lake only irrigates 14ha.

Deep well irrigation is contentious atm because of the water table dropping. Permits are hard fought...

The only way to get into irrigation is to buy a farm with the lot in situ.

Does it pay to stick in irrigation even with low prices?

Dawggone

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Does it pay to stick in irrigation even with low prices?

I wouldn't.
So much easier and cheaper to buy land with irrigation in place.


Low prices...dairy has poor prices with a few months...tillage has poor prices with a few years...

yosemitesam1

Would there be much of a yield increase?

Dawggone

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Would there be much of a yield increase?

Forage maize non irri =14tonDM/ha
". ". + water = 22tonDM/ha

Grain maize 9 ton /ha and with water 17ton/ha.

Soya non irri = 1.5 ton/ha
Soya +water = 4.5 ton/ha

patsy_mccabe

Dawggone, you know if it's water you want , all you got to do is ask.

tractorporn

yosemitesam1 wrote:

Does it pay to stick in irrigation even with low prices?

Is irrigation needed everywhere or is it just down the south of the country that needs it?

Bullocks

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Dawggone, you know if it's water you want , all you got to do is ask.

I could give a solid guarantee that he wouldn't be short of H2O if he wanted to plant in my place.

Are there years at all that you wouldn't need irritating where you are Dawggone ?

Capercaillie

Dawggone wrote: »

I'm the last 3yrs trying to push a permit over the line. This would allow me to flood a valley with winter rains and all I'd have to do is build a dam. Every treehugger in the country is against it...

To give an idea of cost a neighbor built a small lake last year costing €225k. It has to be filled during winter with water pumped from a river, and then pumped back out during summer. That lake only irrigates 14ha.

Deep well irrigation is contentious atm because of the water table dropping. Permits are hard fought...

The only way to get into irrigation is to buy a farm with the lot in situ.

Would depend what is in the valley. If it benefited biodiversity and helped reduce your water consumption, it would be a good idea. If it destroyed an important habitat it would not be a good idea.

davidk1394

Does anyone have any experience farming in Germany ?? Considering it in 5 years time

frazzledhome

davidk1394 wrote: »

Does anyone have any experience farming in Germany ?? Considering it in 5 years time

As much land as you want available there ATM. A buddy of mine turning it down at present

MF290

It's looking like a 2nd flight of the earls here...

Dawggone

tractorporn wrote: »

Is irrigation needed everywhere or is it just down the south of the country that needs it?

South of the river Loire needs irrigation.

Dawggone

frazzledhome wrote: »

As much land as you want available there ATM. A buddy of mine turning it down at present

What does good land make?
I know that the dairy farmland in the north is cheap (white sand) but what's good tillage land making?

Dawggone

Bullocks wrote: »

I could give a solid guarantee that he wouldn't be short of H2O if he wanted to plant in my place.

Are there years at all that you wouldn't need irritating where you are Dawggone ?

Irrigation always needed. The 'wet' summers also.

patsy_mccabe

I work with a lot of Germans and got talking to one of them a while back that was the son of a farmer. He was saying that they were expecting to get out of dairying when the quotas went. Production costs were too high and much cheaper milk coming from the east.

Bullocks

MF290 wrote: »

It's looking like a 2nd flight of the earls here...

There wouldn't be many of us with the balls to actually up sticks and do it though I'd say ( myself included )

trixi2011

There was some irish pig farmers planning to set up a grass based dairy herd in Germany in recent years. any one ever hear did they go through with it ?

MF290

Bullocks wrote: »

There wouldn't be many of us with the balls to actually up sticks and do it though I'd say ( myself included )

I'd probably be the same. Easier said than done just to up sticks and move country!

MF290

davidk1394 wrote: »

Does anyone have any experience farming in Germany ?? Considering it in 5 years time

Spent some of last summer over there. Was probably a different part of the country to what you're looking for. 20-30ha farms, lower yields than Ireland, most of the land was in tillage with a good few dairy farms and 40-50% in forestry. The fella I was with had got out of dairying 15 yrs or so ago (only 30 cows). Fairly tough sticky clay soil too. The big money seemed to be in AD plants and a lot had dairy farms just for the slurry. You'd probably be looking at the large farms of land in the east Germany? People were paying 20-30k per ha, not so sure about rents though. The competition for land was huge were I was.
Darragh_haven knows a lot about ag over there iirc

frazzledhome

trixi2011 wrote: »

There was some irish pig farmers planning to set up a grass based dairy herd in Germany in recent years. any one ever hear did they go through with it ?

There the boys I know. Up and running but not all beer and skittles. Being offered land all about them but I think the pigs might be holding them back

tractorporn

Bullocks wrote:

There wouldn't be many of us with the balls to actually up sticks and do it though I'd say ( myself included )

I'd definitely go if I thought that a) I'd increase the size of the farm, b) increase the profitability and c) reduce the amount of red tape and hardship.

Milked out

tractorporn wrote: »

I'd definitely go if I thought that a) I'd increase the size of the farm, b) increase the profitability and c) reduce the amount of red tape and hardship.

Whatever about anything else once your in the EU the red tape is unlikely to reduce...

Dawggone

tractorporn wrote: »

I'd definitely go if I thought that a) I'd increase the size of the farm, b) increase the profitability and c) reduce the amount of red tape and hardship.

Definite yes to a) and b).

Definite no to c).

barnaman

I would go just to see the sun another miserable day here in Tipp. Lot of lovely farms 1000 acres with lovely houses around 2 million mark in France looked up a few.

http://www.myhome.ie/commercial/brochure/tubrid-ballylooby-cahir-co-tipperary/3476399

Here in ireland you get a ruin and 43 acres for 675,000. Mind you it's a stable ruin as opposed to a falling down ruin.

Markcheese

barnaman wrote:

Here in ireland you get a ruin and 43 acres for 675,000. Mind you it's a stable ruin as opposed to a falling down ruin.

Does that mean its not going to fall apart anymore or that you'd get pp to replace it with a fancy stable ...

barnaman

Assume the its done falling down for a bit. Love the agent's sale spiel "lands ... with a southerly aspect" Its a field so it has a western, northern and easterly aspect too!!

tractorporn

Dawggone wrote:

Definite yes to a) and b).

Dawggone wrote:

Definite no to c).

Well two out of three ain't bad. It's something I've thought about before but will give some serious consideration to now

barnaman

I am seriously considering it too. Have minimal ties to Ireland apart from farm. Is there a land tax in France Dawgone like the old rates? that 0.75% annual wealth tax so 2 million farm 15,000 euros to pay/year?

Dawggone

tractorporn wrote: »

Well two out of three ain't bad. It's something I've thought about before but will give some serious consideration to now

Where lots of people stumble is not being used to farming at a substantially larger scale. It can be a shock to the system, especially when margins are tight, there is no room for f*ck ups.

Bass Reeves

barnaman wrote: »

Assume the its done falling down for a bit. Love the agent's sale spiel "lands ... with a southerly aspect" Its a field so it has a western, northern and easterly aspect too!!

Southerly aspect is it is facing south ( slope of land is south facing it catches more sunshine). On land it can make a big difference could be worth 500-1K and more in land value. Even a gentle slope south facing makes a difference.

Victor

Consider the property tax situation.

Bass Reeves

Dawggone wrote: »

Where lots of people stumble is not being used to farming at a substantially larger scale. It can be a shock to the system, especially when margins are tight, there is no room for f*ck ups.

The other shock lads would get is having to pay for it. Big difference between inheriting a farm and paying for one. Even selling a farm in Ireland and borrowing as much again to buy three-four times as much land abroad would be a shock to the system. As you say no room for f@@kup's.

patsy_mccabe

Nobody has even mentioned the cultural shock. You'll have to learn a new language. Try dealing with a French cattle dealer.:D Get used to wearing a sun hat.:cool: Avec les frites!

frazzledhome

Bass Reeves wrote: »

Southerly aspect is it is facing south ( slope of land is south facing it catches more sunshine). On land it can make a big difference could be worth 500-1K and more in land value. Even a gentle slope south facing makes a difference.

My neighbours farm directly across the road 20' is north facing and 3 weeks later in spring than ours. Often saw frost on it all day

PANADOL

barnaman wrote: »

I know it looks so good, know one word not have to learn the French for RUSHES!

I saw rushes in france ,while cycling through it,

Nekarsulm

trixi2011 wrote: »

There was some irish pig farmers planning to set up a grass based dairy herd in Germany in recent years. any one ever hear did they go through with it ?

Don't know about the grass based idea, but Costello's (I think) from Nurney in Kildare bought a big piggery back when the wall came down. Castle Shavffen or some such name. Near Brandenberg. Was a tough set up. 4/5's of the original workers were not needed, so a lot of local resentment. The Irish lads they brought over were fairly isolated as a result. Staffing levels were agreed before takeover. Local workers used to the communist regime and resented the extra workload, so tried their best to frustrate the new Irish owners. Etc etc.
Good mate of mine worked there for a year. Not sure if they still own the place or not.
Strangely enough, they found it cheaper to get an Irish firm to install the new Big Dutchman feeding system than using either German or Dutch firms. The local piggery equipment supplier trucked over everything from Leitrim. Brought back a few Trabants in the lorries coming back.