low long do the clear sheets last on sheds?

f140

how long do the clear sheets last on the roofs of sheds before they become hard and harmed (not sure what the right word is) by the sun?

freedominacup

f140 wrote: »

how long do the clear sheets last on the roofs of sheds before they become hard and harmed (not sure what the right word is) by the sun?

Denatured is the word you're looking for I think and the answer is not very long. A few years. Be very careful. I just heard last week of another man who won't work again after falling through one. Early forties young family all the commitments that brings and finished. Usual story absolutely no safety equipment whatsoever.

f140

freedominacup wrote: »

Denatured is the word you're looking for I think and the answer is not very long. A few years. Be very careful. I just heard last week of another man who won't work again after falling through one. Early forties young family all the commitments that brings and finished. Usual story absolutely no safety equipment whatsoever.

they claim to be uv resistant. that's not fierce true so is it?

foxy farmer

I have corrugated Clearlights on the side sheeting of a workshop with 13 yrs. I think it was sold as LEXAN. Still clear just a little cloudy and needs a clean outside with a brush and water to clear the green algae that keeps returning. Hasn't turned brittle or cracked either. I wouldn't put them on a roof that i can walk on so avoiding any possibility of stepping on them and going through them. Fine on a roof that you need a catladder. One in each bay on side sheeting on both sides and another few on the gables.

farawaygrass

do most of them type of accidents happen when a person falls through a skylight itself or through galvanise sheet?
I was only up on a shed during the week putting silicone on a crack on one skylight. I tell ya I was happy to be back on the ground, and I'm not afraid of heights or anything

Never wrestle with pigs

I really think they should be illegal. I hade a very close one a few years ago and it really put the ****s up me.

foxy farmer

farawaygrass wrote: »

do most of them type of accidents happen when a person falls through a skylight itself or through galvanise sheet?
I was only up on a shed during the week putting silicone on a crack on one skylight. I tell ya I was happy to be back on the ground, and I'm not afraid of heights or anything

The steel sheet will rust near the laps or nail holes and can fail suddenly if the corrosion is bad. Still mostly the skylights are mostly to blame I'd be thinking. When the old perspex type sheets have moss algae growing on them they can look the same as the steel.

farmerjj

Never wrestle with pigs wrote: »

I really think they should be illegal. I hade a very close one a few years ago and it really put the ****s up me.

Best thing to do if your nervous of them is to put a metal cage under them so even if you stand on one at least you won't fall straight through

freedominacup

farmerjj wrote: »

Best thing to do if your nervous of them is to put a metal cage under them so even if you stand on one at least you won't fall straight through

And what's the safe work method for installing the cage?

Cavanjack

freedominacup wrote: »

And what's the safe work method for installing the cage?

Install them from underneath on old sheds. No new shed should be built without a cage under a skylight.

freedominacup

Cavanjack wrote: »

Install them from underneath on old sheds.

How? What's the safe work method for doing this job? Who certs the cages and mounting?

saltandpepper10

freedominacup wrote: »

How? What's the safe work method for doing this job? Who certs the cages and mounting?

Ah get over yourself will you,two men died in Limerick last year over being harnessed into a Jerry picker drowned like pups in a bag with no escape give me common sense over certification any day

Cavanjack

freedominacup wrote: »

How? What's the safe work method for doing this job? Who certs the cages and mounting?

An mewp or a mobile platform would be the safest option but that might cost a few pound and no mans life is worth spending a few pound on!!!!!
Otherwise a man cage on the front of a loader or a secure ladder would do. All that's needed to stop someone falling through is a few lengths of 16mm bar running underneath the sheet.

freedominacup

saltandpepper10 wrote: »

Ah get over eyourself will you,two men died in Limerick last year over being harnessed into a Jerry picker drowned like pups in a bag with no escape give me common sense over certification any day

And I referenced a man in my first post on this thread who will never work again after falling through a light sheet. What happened the two men in limerick? From your post I assume a cherry picker was knocked or fell over near water and the men were unable to get clear of the basket. How much common sense was involved in putting a hoist in a situation like that. Try the common sense over certification line if something happens an employee installing something like this. I'd question whether any insurance would cover it.

And btw answer my fcuking question. How would you go about installing these cages in a safe manner and how would you be sure what you are installing is fit for purpose?

Short answer is stay off roofs unless you're trained and equipped to be on them. I'm no saint in this regard btw but I don't make a virtue out of doing the wrong thing.

saltandpepper10

freedominacup wrote: »

And I referenced a man in my first post on this thread who will never work again after falling through a light sheet. What happened the two men in limerick? From your post I assume a cherry picker was knocked or fell over near water and the men were unable to get clear of the basket. How much common sense was involved in putting a hoist in a situation like that. Try the common sense over certification line if something happens an employee installing something like this. I'd question whether any insurance would cover it.

And btw answer my fcuking question. How would you go about installing these cages in a safe manner and how would you be sure what you are installing is fit for purpose?

Short answer is stay off roofs unless you're trained and equipped to be on them. I'm no saint in this regard btw but I don't make a virtue out of doing the wrong thing.

Don't use the word fcuking to me hiding behind a keyboard stand beside me and use it though it might not be the best for your own h+s

farmerjj

freedominacup wrote: »

How? What's the safe work method for doing this job? Who certs the cages and mounting?

You will need a professional.

greenpetrol

saltandpepper10 wrote: »

Don't use the word fcuking to me hiding behind a keyboard stand beside me and use it though it might not be the best for your own h+s

He could be twice your size?

saltandpepper10

greenpetrol wrote: »

He could be twice your size?

And

greenpetrol

saltandpepper10 wrote: »

And[/quote your threatening a guy from behind a key board 😀😀😀😀

gctest50

freedominacup wrote: »

And what's the safe work method for installing the cage?

get the young one of the Dickeys', Faith from over the road to do it

Nekarsulm

Buy some scaffolding, eight uprights, eight cross bars (transoms?) eight or ten of the longer bars ( ledgers?) And four of the half length uprights. Couple of Jack feet and five new boards. You can buy each piece for 4 or 5 Euro each. Very handy on any farm.

patsy_mccabe

See page 22 in the attached, info on safety cages over clear sheeting;
https://besmart.ie/fs/doc/Construction/Construction_Documents/Code_of_Practice_for_Safety_in_Roofwork.pdf

9935452

foxy farmer wrote: »

The steel sheet will rust near the laps or nail holes and can fail suddenly if the corrosion is bad. Still mostly the skylights are mostly to blame I'd be thinking. When the old perspex type sheets have moss algae growing on them they can look the same as the steel.

Another lethal one that happens is when lads paint sheds , sometimes they paint over the skylight , then a few years on someone walks on it thinking its a steel sheet.

freedominacup wrote: »

And I referenced a man in my first post on this thread who will never work again after falling through a light sheet. What happened the two men in limerick? From your post I assume a cherry picker was knocked or fell over near water and the men were unable to get clear of the basket. How much common sense was involved in putting a hoist in a situation like that. Try the common sense over certification line if something happens an employee installing something like this. I'd question whether any insurance would cover it.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/two-men-who-died-while-repairing-limerick-bridge-named-1.2333958

Regarding common sense , if you read the article the people in question had life jackets on which might have saved them but the safety harnesses they used ended up killing them

Miname

Health and safety have banned man cages on teleported and loaders on any sites I've been on recently. Harnesses are a disaster to use especially if there's much moving or more than one person working in an area. Experience while not fool proof is one of the best methods of prevention of an accident but some will say with more experience people become complacent.