XvY - various MAs pitted against each other (video thread)

biko

Thought it'd be interesting with a video thread that shows various disciplines pitted again each other.
Particularly when you can see the sports using their trademark moves.

In this video Aikido and TKD is pitted again each other. Both artists are using fairly pure moves.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NinO0vGum38

Here Muy Thai vs Judo, unsurprisingly most of the match is on the mat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QvXjF1oadgk

The usual disclaimer - please note that there isn't a "better art", just better trained individuals.
Let's not get bogged down in any "this art is better than that art" discussion.

yomchi

I just responded to your PM there where you asked to post this, and I was against it, so maybe some other moderators were ok with it?

I feel these threads offer little and in the past have resulted in art bashing and micky measuring. It's also widely acknowledged amongst experienced martial artists that it's not the art on show but the individual. There's a perfect example of this in the TKD V Akido video, where the TKD guy is fcuking useless. I would have better 10 year olds training with me than this guy, there is nothing pure about his ability to strike, so it does not represent the art at all.

no doubt some of the other martial arts listed in videos will say the same.

I'm going to lock this until other mods give their opinion on why this is thread should run and what positives can come out of it.

Cheers

arybvtcw0eolkf

I was 50/50 on this thread and more or less told the OP our experiences with similar threads in the past.

Tbh I've no problem with it staying locked.

Sorry Biko

yomchi

No issue with it running myself Martin, you remember the nonsense from times past that threads like these started.

Tbh the forum is a quieter place these days. Maybe let it run and see how things shape up.

cletus

Tkd and kung fu suck ass. Only mma is the realz






J/k

Anyway, here's a less seen Gracie challenge video, quality not great
https://youtu.be/tbBPUy622bw

SVJKarate

biko wrote: »

Thought it'd be interesting with a video thread that shows various disciplines pitted again each other.

Only if one of the arts is Ameri-Do-Te. Everyone knows everything else is BS.

But seriously, to echo the mods, I can't see anything useful coming from this. I'd speculate the Aikido vs TKD video was posted by an Aikido practitioner who knew well that the TKD practitioner was poor. (He repeated the same kicks to head level every time, and even when the Aikido practitioner did not move, he missed). The proper place to observe art-vs.-art is MMA, I think. There you can see practitioners at the same level use techniques from a range of arts, and see grapplers beat strikers, strikers beat kickers, kickers beat grapplers, all vice-versa, and everyone beat the "KI Energy" guys.

cletus

SVJKarate wrote: »

Only if one of the arts is Ameri-Do-Te. Everyone knows everything else is BS.

But seriously, to echo the mods, I can't see anything useful coming from this. I'd speculate the Aikido vs TKD video was posted by an Aikido practitioner who knew well that the TKD practitioner was poor. (He repeated the same kicks to head level every time, and even when the Aikido practitioner did not move, he missed). The proper place to observe art-vs.-art is MMA, I think. There you can see practitioners at the same level use techniques from a range of arts, and see grapplers beat strikers, strikers beat kickers, kickers beat grapplers, all vice-versa, and everyone beat the "KI Energy" guys.

I'd go so far as to say the 'tkd' wasn't tkd at all. I wouldn't be surprised to find he was a student of the aikido guy

Mellor

A huge number of verses videos are nonsense. Like getting somebody (who doesn't actually train in it) to replicate a style, or using a more or less beginner. The aikido v TKD video above appears to be one of those option - although I'm not sure which it is.

For example, this apparently shows different ways to deal with a takedown.
If should be plainly obvious that whatever that attack is, it's not a takedown. And even a low level guy would put him on his ass with an proper double leg.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LkLTxwATgbs

cletus

Is that guy in red making a fist with his thumb inside

yomchi

cletus wrote: »

Is that guy in red making a fist with his thumb inside

Looks that way. That's the problem with the internet, it has no bullsh1t filter, and that is utter bullsh1t

Mellor

yomchi wrote: »

Looks that way. That's the problem with the internet, it has no bullsh1t filter, and that is utter bullsh1t

If it were just a bullshit video on the internet. Then I think it would matter little. But the real issue is that somewhere, he is teaching people those "techniques" and taking money off them for the trouble. They are likely being shown that same awful half assed double leg by the same guy, which is validating his instructing in the eyes of his students.

yomchi

Mellor wrote: »

If it were just a bullshit video on the internet. Then I think it would matter little. But the real issue is that somewhere, he is teaching people those "techniques" and taking money off them for the trouble. They are likely being shown that same awful half assed double leg by the same guy, which is validating his instructing in the eyes of his students.

Yep he's one of many charlatans doing this. Plenty in Ireland too.

JustShon

Mellor wrote: »

If it were just a bullshit video on the internet. Then I think it would matter little.

I think you're underestimating the amount of people out there who watch youtube videos and then assume they know how to fight, without ever having tested the techniques out beyond doing them in their sitting room.

Mellor

JustShon wrote: »

I think you're underestimating the amount of people out there who watch youtube videos and then assume they know how to fight, without ever having tested the techniques out beyond doing them in their sitting room.

I'm sure it's very common, but the guy learning from YouTube is gonna be learning little even if the techniques are real. If they do t know any better it's not their fault.

JustShon

Mellor wrote: »

I'm sure it's very common, but the guy learning from YouTube is gonna be learning little even if the techniques are real. If they do t know any better it's not their fault.

True they'll learn very little from a youtube video of a genuine practitioner too but the bullsh*tters are exceptionally fond of making youtube videos in my experience.

I'm just saying that the danger posed by, let's be nice, less than qualified martial arts instructors is no longer restricted to the inside of their so-called dojos.