Anthony Joshua v Charles Martin

walshb

FTA69 wrote: »

What are you on about? Fury would box the ears off Joshua all day long and still have time for a victory parade around the O2 via sulky trap.

Box the ears off him? Not a chance, and what happens when Joshua lands clean? Fury has three big problemes. Hasn't the defence to avoid getting tagged, the chin to take it or the power to discourage it! He is fcuked against heavy hitting men who come to destroy!

And, Joshua can box every bit as good as Fury!

FTA69

All I'm saying is that I often said on this forum that Fury would be the champion of the world (the real one) and was laughed at and dismissed. The man made Wlad look impotent and weak, he's fast and he can move and box and has fought more credible opposition than Joshua to boot.

Tyson's the man.

walshb

FTA69 wrote: »

All I'm saying is that I often said on this forum that Fury would be the champion of the world (the real one) and was laughed at and dismissed. The man made Wlad look impotent and weak, he's fast and he can move and box and has fought more credible opposition than Joshua to boot.

Tyson's the man.

I like Fury. I just think he's a KO waiting to happen. No way in hell Joushua or Wilder will freeze like sissies when in the ring against him. Wlad was a disgrace. We've been over this. Something very odd about the performance, considering Fury wasn't much better.

Like I said, Fury hasn't the chin or defense to make it 12 rds and win on points. He can be hit, and cleanly. If I had more cinfidence in Fury's chin I think he'd be a good bet to win on points. Not a guarantee, but a decent chance.

Straight up I believe Haye now would KO Fury quickly. Too fast and too heavy handed. I think at the time they were mant to fight, Haye was a clear enough favourite. I'd still make him a favourite.

Mantis Toboggan

walshb wrote: »

Loved their banter on twitter lately!

It's been hilarious.

Fury has been talking about Joshua for a while now but Joshua wasn't biting.

I'm surprised he choose 4 days before his title fight to fire back at Fury. Maybe he's rattled.

Fury is the master of the mind games, he completely mind fcuked Klitschko to the extent that by the time they both got to the ring Klitschko was beat psychologically.

Joshua's best bet is to completely ignore him.

walshb

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Fury is the master of the mind games, he completely mind fcuked Klitschko to the extent that by the time they both got to the ring Klitschko was beat psychologically.

Joshua's best bet is to completely ignore him.

I never really bought into this that one man breaks the other man before the fight. Wlad's performance cannot be explained away by mind games. His performance was just too abysmal to say that Fury broke him psychologically.

Joshua has a real mean streak about him. It;s been said before that if he was not a boxer he may well have ended up in gang trouble. Even listening to him talking about enjoying hurting his opponents, you can see a natural nasty side to him. He's similar to Mike Tyson and Kovalev

FTA69

At the end of the day Fury, Joshua and Haye are laughing all the way to the bank and all this hype is a godsend to them. Fury has a rematch with Wlad, more coin in the bank. Even if he gets smashed to bits he has a domestic mega fight with AJ that'll sell out and even if he gets a hiding in that him and Haye can have a fake grudge match. In other words Fury can't lose, he stands to make countless millions no matter what he does. I'd say he's on cloud nine.

Haye is still making coin beating up journeymen in front of huge audiences and AJ is boxing' rising star. Fair play to them, they created the perfect situation.

Dick phelan

Predictions for the fight lads? Personally think Martin is pretty ordinary, don't think it goes past 6 AJ by KO.

Mantis Toboggan

Dick phelan wrote: »

Predictions for the fight lads? Personally think Martin is pretty ordinary, don't think it goes past 6 AJ by KO.

Whoever wins will most likely win inside 4 rounds.

You'd have to fancy Joshua as Martin is too much of an unknown.

I'm taking a little punt on The Prince Charles ko given that he's a southpaw who can bang, we saw Joshua rocked against Whyte, if Charles Martin does the same he'll seal the deal.

walshb

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Whoever wins will most likely win inside 4 rounds.

You'd have to fancy Joshua as Martin is too much of an unknown.

I'm taking a little punt on The Prince Charles ko given that he's a southpaw who can bang, we saw Joshua rocked against Whyte, if Charles Martin does the same he'll seal the deal.

Reminds me of the time Mike Tyson was briefly rocked by a heavy left hook by Bruno in 1989. Joshua was caught flush. Was momentarily stunned, and then fine. It actually reinforces a belief that his chin may well be sound, not fragile.

megadodge

walshb wrote: »

Reminds me of the time Mike Tyson was briefly rocked by a heavy left hook by Bruno in 1989. Joshua was caught flush. Was momentarily stunned, and then fine. It actually reinforces a belief that his chin may well be sound, not fragile.

Thank you.

Discuss the most exaggerated 'effects' a punch has ever had on people's opinions and you'll have a clear winner with this one.

Mantis Toboggan

walshb wrote: »

Reminds me of the time Mike Tyson was briefly rocked by a heavy left hook by Bruno in 1989. Joshua was caught flush. Was momentarily stunned, and then fine. It actually reinforces a belief that his chin may well be sound, not fragile.

Yeah you could say that, or you could say his footwork is awful, his defence is poor and the first time he got tagged in a pro fight he turned into a robot for two rounds.

Andre 3000

Martin by points just for the laugh.

walshb

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Yeah you could say that, or you could say his footwork is awful, his defence is poor and the first time he got tagged in a pro fight he turned into a robot for two rounds.

Show me any fighter in history that has not gotten hit flush in their career? Your post is a little odd. Like I said, for me it was one solid punch that he got hit with. His reaction and almost immediate recovery is what should stand out. Nothing else.

Remember PBF being tagged hard twice in rd 2 vs. Mosley? You rather look at the negatives there and criticise, or focus on the resilience and recovery and strength to finish the rd the stronger?

Mantis Toboggan

walshb wrote: »

His reaction and almost immediate recovery is what should stand out. Nothing else.

Except it wasn't an immediate recovery though, he stumbled around for two rounds, his legs were gone in the second round, whyte said he would have gotten him out if his shoulder hadn't went and I'd be inclined to believe him.

In the end Joshua recovered well and was a great knock out so fair play to him.

walshb

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Except it wasn't an immediate recovery though, he stumbled around for two rounds, his legs were gone in the second round, whyte said he would have gotten him out if his shoulder hadn't went and I'd be inclined to believe him.

In the end Joshua recovered well and was a great knock out so fair play to him.

I'll have to watch it again. Your implying that he was banjoed from one punch for several minutes seems off to me!

Btw, that same left hook would likely have knocked Fury out!

Dick phelan

Thing i notice with Martin is he seems quite slow, all good being a tall southpaw with power but i don't think he has the movement to actually land the shots on AJ.

megadodge

Tyson Fury wrote: »

... his defence is poor and the first time he got tagged in a pro fight ...

If his defense is so poor how come it took 16 fights before he got tagged in a pro fight?

You can't have it both ways.

Andre 3000

megadodge wrote: »

If his defense is so poor how come it took 16 fights before he got tagged in a pro fight?

You can't have it both ways.

Because he's fought absolute cans I presume

megadodge

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Except it wasn't an immediate recovery though, he stumbled around for two rounds, his legs were gone in the second round,

Utter nonsense!!

See my earlier post about exaggerated reaction to one moment in a fight.

You're so over the top in your reaction to any heavyweight who might be deemed a threat to Tyson Fury it's really getting to the stage where your comments on heavyweight boxing can't be taken seriously.

megadodge

Andre 3000 wrote: »

Because he's fought absolute cans I presume

Nobody goes 16 fights without getting hit!

I defy you (or anybody) to find evidence to the contrary. EVER!!

Mantis Toboggan

megadodge wrote: »

Utter nonsense!!

See my earlier post about exaggerated reaction to one moment in a fight.

You're so over the top in your reaction to any heavyweight who might be deemed a threat to Tyson Fury it's really getting to the stage where your comments on heavyweight boxing can't be taken seriously.

Alright Megadoge, calm down there, don't be getting yourself all worked up.

StringerBell

walshb wrote: »

Reminds me of the time Mike Tyson was briefly rocked by a heavy left hook by Bruno in 1989. Joshua was caught flush. Was momentarily stunned, and then fine. It actually reinforces a belief that his chin may well be sound, not fragile.

Dunno, it was more then momentarily in fairness, he looked in trouble there but Whyte was just too **** to get him out of there. A heavier hitter with a killer instinct would have stopped him there and then. He took a while to recover from it, but that he did recover from it is positive alright.

walshb

Tyson Fury wrote: »

Alright Megadoge, calm down there, don't be getting yourself all worked up.

I don't think mega is getting worked up. He's likely just perplexed, like myself, at your last few posts. They come across like you don't understand the mechanics and circumstances of pro boxing.

walshb

StringerBell wrote: »

Dunno, it was more then momentarily in fairness, he looked in trouble there but Whyte was just too **** to get him out of there. A heavier hitter with a killer instinct would have stopped him there and then. He took a while to recover from it, but that he did recover from it is positive alright.

A while? Is that 2-3 rds? I thought he recovered fairly quickly. It was a peach of a shot.

StringerBell

walshb wrote: »

Remember PBF being tagged hard twice in rd 2 vs. Mosley? You rather look at the negatives there and criticise, or focus on the resilience and recovery and strength to finish the rd the stronger?

I still have no idea how he was not taken out by that, it was the moment you realised that whatever else, his chin is for real.

The difference with him and AJ was that Floyd still had the presence of mind even though his brain must have been scrambled, to grab the arm of Mosley to stop him finishing him off.

AJ looked like a fish out of water, panicked, there for the taking.

He came through it, and fair play. Answered some questions by doing it, I'm a big fan of his but I saw a red flag there. As you say, it was the first time he really got tagged in his pro career (though he has fought some heavy hitters in the amateurs) and you have to give him the credit for coming through it and winning the fight.

StringerBell

walshb wrote: »

A while? Is that 2-3 rds? I thought he recovered fairly quickly. It was a peach of a shot.

No I don't think it was that long, from memory it was rest of the round though really wasn't it?

I'll watch it back maybe. Thought it was a little bit in to the next round that he looked loose and composed again, from then on he was in full control.

A while as in more then a second or two is what I was saying, which is what I took your momentarily and almost immediate recovery, to mean?

Mantis Toboggan

StringerBell wrote: »

AJ looked like a fish out of water, panicked, there for the taking.

As you say, it was the first time he really got tagged in his pro career (though he has fought some heavy hitters in the amateurs)

Thank you.

Don't tell megadodge though as you cannot go 15 fights without taking a proper punch..

walshb

StringerBell wrote: »

No I don't think it was that long, from memory it was rest of the round though really wasn't it?

I'll watch it back maybe. Thought it was a little bit in to the next round that he looked loose and composed again, from then on he was in full control.

A while as in more then a second or two is what I was saying, which is what I took your momentarily and almost immediate recovery, to mean?

I'll watch it again. Rocked, stayed on his feet and was a bit wobbly. Found his balance and composure fairly quickly. Anyway, main point is he took the shot well and recovered.

StringerBell

I also remember I think, that he only got tagged because he was finding it a bit too easy and got too complacent and left himself open. Self inflicted wound, something he will learn from.

StringerBell

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3QqaDIgQhw

For anyone to have a rewatch

Think it backs up my own opinion on it anyway.