Is this the norm?

mountai

Teenage girls who believe the ill-health they are suffering is because of the HPV vaccine against cervical cancer should be treated based on their symptoms “rather than what they believe the cause to be”, Minister for Health Leo Varadkar has insisted.

Do the Medics in Ireland all have this view. Treat the Symptoms without looking for the cause ? . Yes just pump them full of drugs , and don't look for the reasons why?? . Legalized drug pushing , much to the delight of the Drug Companies.

Dingle_berry

All that your quote from Leo V means to healthcare workers is that every patient should have a full and open minded diagnostic process. That self-diagnoses should not be taken as a diagnosis. Sounds like exactly what I would want for myself and my loved ones.

Graces7

mountai wrote: »

Teenage girls who believe the ill-health they are suffering is because of the HPV vaccine against cervical cancer should be treated based on their symptoms “rather than what they believe the cause to be”, Minister for Health Leo Varadkar has insisted.

Do the Medics in Ireland all have this view. Treat the Symptoms without looking for the cause ? . Yes just pump them full of drugs , and don't look for the reasons why?? . Legalized drug pushing , much to the delight of the Drug Companies.

There is a fuller thread on this in long term illness. headed " people are beginning to listen at last". Had not heard this statement before and it is not to me acceptable given that HSE are denying that the vaccine is the cause. very strong denials are being made. So in fact it seems the families are not being believed? Symptomatic treatment happens a lot; I spent 30 years on various meds on that regime before a diagnosis of ME. I agree with you fully. Have a look at the other thread? In bed today and too tired to do more... And read the HSE report and the Iona report also. My own reaction was that cervical cancer is per se an STD after all....vaccinating against it rather than education?

Graces7

Dingle_berry wrote: »

All that your quote from Leo V means to healthcare workers is that every patient should have a full and open minded diagnostic process. That self-diagnoses should not be taken as a diagnosis. Sounds like exactly what I would want for myself and my loved ones.

I see this differently given the fact that HSE are denying that the vaccine is causing problems. http://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/hpv-vaccine-support-group-concerned-at-side-effects-1.2221556 ... hardly self diagnosis. There is something very wrong here. I was on at one time 24 tabs a day in the "treat the symptoms "idea. All had side effects. Some indeed were to counteract the side effects of others .. I stopped all of them and now am almost meds free and coping better...Understanding cause matters. The cause of symptoms matters greatly.

Kurtosis

mountai wrote: »

Teenage girls who believe the ill-health they are suffering is because of the HPV vaccine against cervical cancer should be treated based on their symptoms “rather than what they believe the cause to be”, Minister for Health Leo Varadkar has insisted.

Do the Medics in Ireland all have this view. Treat the Symptoms without looking for the cause ? . Yes just pump them full of drugs , and don't look for the reasons why?? . Legalized drug pushing , much to the delight of the Drug Companies.

Well when the available evidence suggests that the rate of these adverse events are the same in girls who had the vaccine and those that didn't, I think it would be irresponsible of healthcare professionals to pursue something that has not caused the symptoms.

Graces7 wrote: »

There is a fuller thread on this in long term illness. headed " people are beginning to listen at last". Had not heard this statement before and it is not to me acceptable given that HSE are denying that the vaccine is the cause. very strong denials are being made. So in fact it seems the families are not being believed? Symptomatic treatment happens a lot; I spent 30 years on various meds on that regime before a diagnosis of ME. I agree with you fully. Have a look at the other thread? In bed today and too tired to do more... And read the HSE report and the Iona report also. My own reaction was that cervical cancer is per se an STD after all....vaccinating against it rather than education?

Cervical cancer is not an STD, HPV is an virus that almost every sexually active person will have at some point and in most cases causes no ill-effects and resolves itself (more info here). HPV vaccination is just one of a number of ways to reduce the risk of cervical cancer, along with cervical screening and using condoms. It's not a case of vaccination or education or screening, why wouldn't as many of the most effective preventive measures be employed?

Graces7

penguin88 wrote: »

Well when the available evidence suggests that the rate of these adverse events are the same in girls who had the vaccine and those that didn't, I think it would be irresponsible of healthcare professionals to pursue something that has not caused the symptoms.



Cervical cancer is not an STD, HPV is an virus that almost every sexually active person will have at some point and in most cases causes no ill-effects and resolves itself (more info here). HPV vaccination is just one of a number of ways to reduce the risk of cervical cancer, along with cervical screening and using condoms. It's not a case of vaccination or education or screening, why wouldn't as many of the most effective preventive measures be employed?

You ask questions I would love to have answered. The bolded words are a self contradiction. Far from convincing about the treatment the girls are getting. Many of the mothers, articulate and intelligent women, are as concerned as we are here. Zapping symptoms is not ideal by any means.

Graces7

"Well when the available evidence suggests that the rate of these adverse events are the same in girls who had the vaccine and those that didn't, I think it would be irresponsible of healthcare professionals to pursue something that has not caused the symptoms." I just checked that link and it does not by any manner of means approach or identify with the reality of the symptoms the girls are actually suffering. Have you checked the online reports from the girls and their mothers? This is not the same at all.. Here is the other thread http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057532820

Kurtosis

Graces7 wrote: »

You ask questions I would love to have answered. The bolded words are a self contradiction. Far from convincing about the treatment the girls are getting. Many of the mothers, articulate and intelligent women, are as concerned as we are here. Zapping symptoms is not ideal by any means.

HPV is an STD (which it should be noted is not completely prevented by safe sex, but this can reduce chance of spreading), and HPV in many cases can cause cervical cancer (among other cancers). As I said, cervical cancer is not an STD.

Graces7 wrote: »

"Well when the available evidence suggests that the rate of these adverse events are the same in girls who had the vaccine and those that didn't, I think it would be irresponsible of healthcare professionals to pursue something that has not caused the symptoms." I just checked that link and it does not by any manner of means approach or identify with the reality of the symptoms the girls are actually suffering. Have you checked the online reports from the girls and their mothers? This is not the same at all.. Here is the other thread http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057532820

I'm in no doubt that these girls are suffering a range of symptoms, however the weight of evidence as it currently stands does not support that these symptoms are caused by the HPV vaccine. This balance may change in the future as more evidence accumulates, but at the moment the incidence of these symptoms appears to be the same among vaccinated and unvaccinated people.

mountai

The figure of 130 girls was the basis of HBs reasoning at the recent Dail Health Committee hearing in December. This figure has almost doubled since. There are now 250 Girls registered as suffering serious reactions . This figure will continue to escalate at an alarming rate . As to the efficacy of the Manufacturer of this vaccine?? . Look at the following , from an impeccable source. www.nytimes.com/2007/11/09/business/09merck.html

Kurtosis

mountai wrote: »

The figure of 130 girls was the basis of HBs reasoning at the recent Dail Health Committee hearing in December. This figure has almost doubled since. There are now 250 Girls registered as suffering serious reactions . This figure will continue to escalate at an alarming rate . As to the efficacy of the Manufacturer of this vaccine?? . Look at the following , from an impeccable source. www.nytimes.com/2007/11/09/business/09merck.html

I'm sure these suspected serious reactions are being reported to the HPRA (new name for the Irish Medicines Board) while feeds into the ongoing safety monitoring process.

Regarding your link, I'm not sure what it has to do with the HPV vaccine and its efficacy. If there's any evidence regarding impropriety in relation to Gardasil, it would be better to present that rather than trying to muddy the waters.

mountai

It was recognised by HB at that hearing, that Medics do not contact HPRA , regarding reporting adverse events . Merc , the manufacturers , withdrew Vioxx , having known about the dangers of that drug since inception. They manufacture Gardasil , would anyone in their right mind believe anything they say?

RobFowl

Right, post links to back up any claims made please
Rob

CaraMay

http://www.australiannationalreview.com/lead-developer-hpv-vaccines-clean-warns-parents-young-girls-giant-deadly-scam/

mountai

As reported the figure of 130 Girls registered with REGRET.ie in December, has now increased to 332 . Denmark , which has a comparable population , have set up regional clinics to deal with the 2000 registered girls with exactly the same symptoms as our Children. The Danes at least recognise the problems and have withdrawn the vaccine from their school programme , as have the Japanese . There is a growing resistance worldwide towards this vaccine , yet our Health Board continue to be negligent insofar as not giving Parents full information re the severe side effects that may occur. Dr Kevin Kelleher , the head of the vaccination programme in Ireland has stated " I give them the information , to get them to do , what I want them to do" Says it all really. With this arrogant attitude its no wonder that hardly a week goes by without another multi million euro award being given to parents by the HSE having put them through years of hell first.

CaraMay

You are not entitled to sue for vaccine damage in Ireland

mountai

"You are not entitled to sue for vaccine damage in Ireland"


Wrong . You are confusing Ireland with USA . Contillians of Cork successfully sued for Vaccine damage a few years ago (Google them) . In Ireland , there is no provision for "Class Action" and proving any form of medical damage is notoriously difficult.

endacl

mountai wrote: »

As reported the figure of 130 Girls registered with REGRET.ie in December, has now increased to 332 . Denmark , which has a comparable population , have set up regional clinics to deal with the 2000 registered girls with exactly the same symptoms as our Children. The Danes at least recognise the problems and have withdrawn the vaccine from their school programme , as have the Japanese . There is a growing resistance worldwide towards this vaccine , yet our Health Board continue to be negligent insofar as not giving Parents full information re the severe side effects that may occur. Dr Kevin Kelleher , the head of the vaccination programme in Ireland has stated " I give them the information , to get them to do , what I want them to do" Says it all really. With this arrogant attitude its no wonder that hardly a week goes by without another multi million euro award being given to parents by the HSE having put them through years of hell first.

http://www.livescience.com/18310-schoolgirl-mass-hysteria-york.html

And there was never a ufo sighting before sci fi movies appeared. A medical student syndrome, only with zero knowledge of medicine. http://medipathways.com/medical-student-syndrome/

:rolleyes:

mountai

https://youtu.be/y7hjwXODy_8

World renowned and respected man.

Simon2015

One of Ireland's most respected Doctor's Andrew Rynne has questioned the safety of the HPV vaccine.



http://medicaladviceforyou.com/gardasil-anti-cancer-vaccine-worth-risk/

Gardasil Anti-cancer Vaccine Is It Safe



Gardasil is an anti human papilloma virus (HPV) vaccine introduced in 2010 as a vaccine against cervical cancer. The majority of cervical cancers are caused by the changes brought about by HPV infections of the cervix. Hence, vaccinating against this virus would seem to make perfectly good sense from a Public Health perspective.
But is it safe? That’s the burning question. There are now growing concerns about this with thousands of previously healthy young girls from around the world reporting very grave symptoms following the second or third shot of Gardasil. Not only are the symptoms grossly debilitating but they are permanent and perhaps incurable. And that in my view is too high a price to pay. The risk/benefit ratio here seems to be seriously skewed while those who should be most concerned about this scandal are in denial.
Those with vested interests in deigning a connection between Gardasil vaccine and what I would like to call Post Gardasil Syndrome (PGS) like to shoehorn these girls into the diagnosis of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome (CFS) that coincidentally set in after they received Gardasil vaccine. This argument however is seriously flawed on two counts. First of all the symptoms of these two diseases differ considerable from each other.
The symptoms of Chronic Fatigue Syndrome are:

• Fatigue
• Loss of memory or concentration
• Sore throat
• Enlarged lymph nodes in your neck or armpits
• Unexplained muscle pain
• Pain that moves from one joint to another without swelling or redness
• Headache of a new type, pattern or severity
• Unrefreshing sleep
• Extreme exhaustion lasting more than 24 hours after physical or mental exercise.

The symptoms of Post Gardasil Syndrome are very similar but they are different. And they are:

• Fatigue
• Loss of memory and concentration
• Unexplained muscle and joint pains
• Headaches that can be very severe
• Unrefreshing sleep
• Extreme debilitating exhaustion
• A greater than expected incidence of autoimmune disease.
• Gastrointestinal symptoms like nausea vomiting and diarrhea.
• Neurological symptoms almost like MS — tingling, numbness, twitching and problems with vision and hearing.

The second serious flaw to the CFS coincidentally following Gardasil injection theory is the abuse of the word “coincidentally”. A coincident is where two things happen at random in time. However, when this pattern starts to repeated itself thousands of time is looses the status of coincident and become a consequence. Logically then Post Gardasil Syndrome is a consequence of the vaccine and not a coincidental occurrence.
We have seen all these arguments before with the Post Finasteride Syndrome which many doctors still don’t accept as real and resort to “blaming the patient”. This of course only compounds the pain for the sufferers.
For more information on this horrible post-vaccine disease please have a look at this highly informative website www.regret.ie Please also think long and hard about the risk/benefit ratio for your daughter being vaccinated against a disease with a mortality rate of 3 per 100,000.

RobFowl

I have asked that any claims be backed up by references. And by that i mean journal references or ones on peer reviewed sites not youtube clips or other websites.
So bottom line is I,m closing this thread. Any problems pm me and if anyone produces a peer reviewed reference i will reopen it.
Rob