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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,260 ✭✭✭Elessar


    I'm not convinced it takes 15-20 years to make 80k/year+. In the right industry with the right skill set and experience, that's not an unachievable target for a young person.

    For example, friend of mine left his IT job recently (already on 65k) and took up a new role as a solutions architect, on 82k/year + 10% bonus, stock options, the lot. He has 6 years experience and some certifications under his belt (left college in 2009). He's 32. He's confident in himself, and knows his area inside out. And when he speaks, people listen. It helps that people with his skills/experience are hard to find. And he doesn't have to work his nuts off either. Goes home at 2pm every Friday and doesn't look at work until Monday.

    He has really opened my eyes tbh. And what can be achieved if you put your mind to it. If he can do it, then bloody hell so can I. I work in a similar area and my goal is to at least achieve a 60k base salary within the next 3-4 years. Before going contracting for close to double that.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 29,495 ✭✭✭✭_Kaiser_


    Elessar wrote: »
    I'm not convinced it takes 15-20 years to make 80k/year+. In the right industry with the right skill set and experience, that's not an unachievable target for a young person.

    For example, friend of mine left his IT job recently (already on 65k) and took up a new role as a solutions architect, on 82k/year + 10% bonus, stock options, the lot. He has 6 years experience and some certifications under his belt (left college in 2009). He's 32. He's confident in himself, and knows his area inside out. And when he speaks, people listen. It helps that people with his skills/experience are hard to find. And he doesn't have to work his nuts off either. Goes home at 2pm every Friday and doesn't look at work until Monday.

    He has really opened my eyes tbh. And what can be achieved if you put your mind to it. If he can do it, then bloody hell so can I. I work in a similar area and my goal is to at least achieve a 60k base salary within the next 3-4 years. Before going contracting for close to double that.

    It all depends on your circumstances and commitments too I think

    Contracting for example wouldn't suit me as I rent and have a child to support. A steady dependable income is therefore key.. plus to be honest, I'd personally have no interest in bouncing from contract to contract - I like to get in somewhere and develop the role/department I'm in and progress that way.. but that's just me :)

    These days I'm more about the balance (something I used to be terrible at.. at one point I had something like 500 hours AL built up) and my life outside of work too. That's not to say I sit back.. when I originally started in my current role it was as an IT team lead for "2 guys and a mailbox" (sitcom rights pending :p) and have since developed and expanded the team globally and increased the scope of what we do, but alongside that has come the seniority and flexibility that is even more important than the bottom line salary.

    Money isn't everything anymore (particularly not in this country where as Permabear says, the tax system actively penalises you for working harder/earning more) .. and I say that as someone who LIKES money and all the fancy toys and tech/cars it can buy! :p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 529 ✭✭✭td2008


    In IT contracting is definitely the way to go - plenty of areas pay 400+ a day.
    I wouldn't say you always need a ridiculous amount of experience either


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,399 ✭✭✭eeguy


    Elessar wrote: »
    For example, friend of mine left his IT job recently (already on 65k) and took up a new role as a solutions architect, on 82k/year + 10% bonus, stock options, the lot. He has 6 years experience and some certifications under his belt (left college in 2009)

    Your friend is a unicorn.

    The best way to get rich is to work for yourself.

    Unfortunately you need experience and qualifications in an area with high demand and low competition.
    Getting that is the hard bit


  • Posts: 1,766 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    It really isn't true that 'working hard' is the secret. The world is full of people who work like dogs and get nothing in return. Nobody cares if you arrive at 7.30am and leave and 9pm if you keep screwing things up and nobody likes you.

    If you are talking about working in a business, there's only one rule and that is be someone that they don't want to leave or desperately want to hire. How you make that happen is up to but let's just say that smart, confident, switched-on people - who aren't arseholes - are in short supply and always will be.

    You don't necessarily need buckets of qualifications either. If you are willing to go into tech sales for example, you can be looking at 100k or more a year (including your commission) within a few years of graduating if you are good at the job. You'll probably have to do something pretty soul-destroying for the first two years though.

    A huge amount is luck. Nobody likes to admit it but it is true. But to some extent you can make your own. Always be looking for the opportunity and seize it.

    On that same note, real movements in pay come when people either move jobs or threaten to move. Everyone who keeps their head down and makes no fuss ends up underpaid. I don't like it, but that's the truth. But of course, you need to become someone who a company is willing to fight to keep. Which is back to the first point.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 23,193 ✭✭✭✭Tell me how


    You might want to learn patience and forward, long term thinking and planning in that case.


    Agree with the post and laugh at the irony of the posters name. Just last night I was watching Clay Davis tell Stringer that he must learn to "crawl, walk, run".
    The OP should heed that advice.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,467 ✭✭✭Musicman2000


    I am ecommerce and all things related, social media, analytics, seo, new toys to bring in more sales, I have my google certs and just "get it"

    I beta tested the software before it was launched and as I use it on a daily basis I can spot bugs and glitches which are fixed by the developer before anyone knows there was a problem

    All of the ecommerce sites I build take decent money but as I am self taught I need that bit of paper to prove I can do it to get the big money contracts

    Since 2011 I have done a total of 20 different exams/qualifications to keep up to date in my field. And I'm not quite at that level worth those huge rates!

    That is a lot of exams!


    Sounds like you know your stuff. You have the the experience and you have sites that you built from scratch . That should be enough instead of a degree. Id rate industry certs and experience over a degree any-day.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,905 ✭✭✭fret_wimp2


    OP you want to know what jobs pay the most, why not google the annual salary surveys put out by irish jobs and various agencies

    Brightwater 2015 survey:
    https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.brightwater.ie/docs/default-source/salary-surveys/salary-survey-2015.pdf%3Fsfvrsn%3D2&ved=0ahUKEwiXt_LA49HKAhWCqxoKHdMUAggQFggaMAA&usg=AFQjCNGDer9imxVnp1Lru7ym7UuM22Cg9Q&sig2=YaKz3T_DttT_fiqbJUEYnw


    Morgan mckinley 2015 survey:
    https://www.google.ie/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=http://www.morganmckinley.ie/about/2015-salary-survey-benefits&ved=0ahUKEwiXt_LA49HKAhWCqxoKHdMUAggQFggcMAE&usg=AFQjCNHb9qxmleIo78_QWgG0YaT5ViItzQ&sig2=PRVeiYrGwgDJDP0vNbLDdg

    Irish jobs just done a 2016 one. Look at the various industries & roles that pay what you want. Make special note of the experience needed for a particular salary level.

    Figure out what you need to do to get on the rosd to one of those roles that appeals to you.
    Do you need to do a course?
    Do you need to get your foot in the door somewhere ?
    Do you have to work for free on a few projects to get experience?

    Basically, do your homework then do the actual work. Its not going to be handed to you.

    And always remember, qualifications are worth nothing , they just get your foot in thr door. You still have to start at the bottom and work your way up, learn patience and put in the time to gain the one thing people will pay for, experience.

    Also, audit your career regularly to help make sure youre on course and are doing the right things to be in the right place a year from now. Follow the experience not the money initially, learn to do a first clsss cv, keep it up to date and move jobs after you have learned as much as you can in a particular role, i.e.dont stagnate.

    Wash rinse and repeat for 5-10 years and you will be near where you want to be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,252 ✭✭✭✭Thargor


    Permabear wrote: »
    This post had been deleted.
    Compound your money where safely these days is the question though? Especially in Ireland where we have a ruling class thats proven it sees peoples pensions as free money to pay for other peoples mistakes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    I don't know if it was mentioned already but the solution is simple. Become a politician all you need do is tell loads of lies make loads of empty promises and get loads of followers :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,247 ✭✭✭Tigger99


    Only one problem with that Sam. I know many and between Government and constituency obligations they easily work 12 hour days.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Boskowski


    People who pull that kind of money have either very niche skills or are seriously experienced - with proven track records - in delivering large scale IT projects as leads in technical or managerial capacity. And they work a lot, are on the road a lot and hardly see their homes. And they got there from experience they gathered in the industry over many years, building up to that, and not by a skill they learned on a college course.

    Pieces of paper you get in a college or university are only a ticket to get your foot on that ladder, no more.

    Having the ability to fill such a role acquires a lot of skills that simply can't be taught but have to be acquired through years of hard work. Sorry OP, there isn't such a thing you describe out there, realistically. In fact to most people who are at that level themselves or are near enough to give you a qualified answer your question will sound a bit like a pi$$take.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,297 ✭✭✭✭Sam Kade


    Tigger99 wrote: »
    Only one problem with that Sam. I know many and between Government and constituency obligations they easily work 12 hour days.
    They are there 12 hours whatever about working. If it doesn't suit retire after a few years with a nice fat pension for life.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 36,095 ✭✭✭✭ED E


    Going back to the OP because I find the nativity hilarious.
    liam650 wrote: »
    working 40 or less hours a week?

    Thats the mentality of a shift worker. If you were interested in your field you wouldn't be counting the hours.
    liam650 wrote: »
    wheres the big time

    On Love/Hate. Meanwhile in the real world....
    liam650 wrote: »
    im 24 and never had a job before

    What HR manager is going to even consider taking on a paid intern with a CV that is "BA Business Somethingorother + [Blank]" when there are hundreds of applicants with references that they aren't a tosser 4 pages long?
    liam650 wrote: »
    well what has 4 years in a degree taught me? certainly nothing to that level, such a disappointment

    An undergrad degree proves you can stick with something for four years and aren't a total dunce, nothing more. Moreover you picked a degree in an area that has a surplus of grads


    Your value to a company is very very low right now, you should take any chance you can get right now, even work for free to pad out that CV then hope some nice HR exec gives you a chance. If you want "the big time" go buy a scratch card.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,064 ✭✭✭aaakev


    It really isn't true that 'working hard' is the secret. The world is full of people who work like dogs and get nothing in return. Nobody cares if you arrive at 7.30am and leave and 9pm if you keep screwing things up and nobody likes you.

    If you are talking about working in a business, there's only one rule and that is be someone that they don't want to leave or desperately want to hire. How you make that happen is up to but let's just say that smart, confident, switched-on people - who aren't arseholes - are in short supply and always will be.

    You don't necessarily need buckets of qualifications either. If you are willing to go into tech sales for example, you can be looking at 100k or more a year (including your commission) within a few years of graduating if you are good at the job. You'll probably have to do something pretty soul-destroying for the first two years though.

    A huge amount is luck. Nobody likes to admit it but it is true. But to some extent you can make your own. Always be looking for the opportunity and seize it.

    On that same note, real movements in pay come when people either move jobs or threaten to move. Everyone who keeps their head down and makes no fuss ends up underpaid. I don't like it, but that's the truth. But of course, you need to become someone who a company is willing to fight to keep. Which is back to the first point.

    I started my job 5 years ago when i was 25 as a junior sales executive on €25 k. Im now sales manager and will earn in excess of €80k this year, big bonus at xmas and a €50k company car fully expensed. I will be the first to admit there was good timing and luck involved. i was in a few months and the sales manager left, his replacement didnt work out so i went after it when he left soon after, i was running the department for the next 3 years without the title but sales kept climbing and i started to be head hunted, when my employer found out they said they were not prepaired to loose me so i negotiated a nice deal.

    Im lucky with my hours too, i rarely stay in the office after 5, thats not to say i dont work hard because i do i just work smart but i do take a lot of out of hours calls, emails and the odd meeting but i really dont mind as it all pays and i love my job, not one day iv woke up and not wanted to go in

    I never went to college, i worked loads of sales jobs since i was 19 to try experience to get into my chosen field so it definatly can be done with the right attitude and mindset.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators, Paid Member Posts: 9,833 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    The tax system does not help either. To attach the higher gradations of pay one as other posters said would need to acquire skills. Unfortunately these at times are expensive & time consuming and only rarely does a employer pay. When it comes to making a rational decision on the cost benefits of chasing the upscale job vs the cost with the tax removed, then might not be worth it,


  • Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators Posts: 11,043 Mod ✭✭✭✭Jim2007


    liam650 wrote: »
    Ok so this might sound a bit out there but how do you get to the stage where you are earning about 1000 a week after tax while working 40 or less hours a week? I see everyone stuck on the 330 - 500 a week max after tax in all sorts of jobs and can just claim welfare and earn the same amount on that, so any business people here can you guide me on it? how to make big money legally, on a consistent basis

    Well if you want to have a good work-life balance move to mainland Europe! Seriously, it is a feature of the English speaking world, that people are expected to work overtime for free, accept emails and phone calls etc outside office hours, as you can see from many of the posts here... That is not to say that you will not be expected to work overtime, but it will be more like 10 - 15 hours in the year not in the week and will in most cases be paid or compensated for.

    When it comes to salary, what is a good salary really depends on the local taxes and cost of living not the actual amount, but having said that here in Switzerland a graduate can expect to be paid well over 1K per week after taxes. Now even though Switzerland is an expensive place to live, you can still live very nicely on a graduate salary. The same for main other mainland European countries. Another thing to keep in mind is that unlike Ireland not everyone gets to go to college in Europe, in fact most do apprenticeships, so you degree definitely adds significant value when it comes to salary.

    So my advice would be concentrate on getting a very good degree result, start learning a foreign language if you don't already speaking one and start looking at graduate programs at some of Europe's biggest companies.

    A couple of Swiss examples:


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 84 ✭✭Goat Paddock


    Jim2007 wrote: »
    Well if you want to have a good work-life balance move to mainland Europe! Seriously, it is a feature of the English speaking world, that people are expected to work overtime for free, accept emails and phone calls etc outside office hours, as you can see from many of the posts here... That is not to say that you will not be expected to work overtime, but it will be more like 10 - 15 hours in the year not in the week and will in most cases be paid or compensated for.

    When it comes to salary, what is a good salary really depends on the local taxes and cost of living not the actual amount, but having said that here in Switzerland a graduate can expect to be paid well over 1K per week after taxes. Now even though Switzerland is an expensive place to live, you can still live very nicely on a graduate salary. The same for main other mainland European countries. Another thing to keep in mind is that unlike Ireland not everyone gets to go to college in Europe, in fact most do apprenticeships, so you degree definitely adds significant value when it comes to salary.

    So my advice would be concentrate on getting a very good degree result, start learning a foreign language if you don't already speaking one and start looking at graduate programs at some of Europe's biggest companies.

    A couple of Swiss examples:

    Um what if you don't want to live in Europe?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 29,607 ✭✭✭✭TitianGerm


    Um what if you don't want to live in Europe?

    You might want to leave Ireland so :P maybe go to US or China or Australia


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 667 ✭✭✭collie0708


    The expectancy of some college graduates drives me mad I come across it far to often in my line of work. Earning" big money" takes a few very simple things 1- hard work 2- commitment 3-keeping your skills up to date 4- gaining experience and doing extra tasks outside your "normal" role 5- some good fortune

    If there was a quick and easy way to €80k everyone would be doing it.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,361 ✭✭✭Boskowski


    Exactly and a college degree was maybe something special 30 years ago and maybe actually meant something then. But everyone's got one now, its just par for the course - and in danger of sounding like an old lad - standards aren't what they used to be either.

    The whole point about making a 600, 800 or grand a day is that you're doing something that very few can do. The moment anyone can do its not worth that money anymore. Simple rules of supply and demand.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,247 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    If you are going to run your own business and earn that sort of money then get a job as a cleaner in your chosen field, then work as admin in an office, then work in the shipping bay and stationary department

    Find out every way you will be losing money or where the wasted money is when you are the owner of the company, plus you need to be able to do every job yourself if you are facing a deadline

    15 hour days, 7 days a week including holidays, no sick days allowed and it will take 3-5 years to make a profit depending on what field you choose :)

    Business is a passion not a career, ask me in another 3 years if the gamble was worth it and I am rich with that thing called money that I vaguely remember, tough as it is I love every single minute of it, 80k yes please!

    +1 I went self employed almost 12 years ago in IT. I can command a pretty hefty day rate for contracting but its taken a long time to get here . Heres a few things Ive learned along the way

    1. With the exception of a tiny minority of higher end civil servants , Nobody in any profession has managed to exceed the 60k mark on 40 hours a week. To get to big money requires long hours, working weekends, at home work on presentations / projects. I have regularly done 110+ hour weeks to further my business, and my average work week now would still be over 65 hours. You might be doing 40 hours a week on that money as a director of a company etc.. but to get there definitely took a decade from your life.

    2. A degree entitles you to nothing, it purely gets you in the door of some professions or lets you jump up a rung in the ladder. Somebody with a degree may get a starter position on 25k a year where an unskilled person doing the same would start on 18k , when you start competing for higher positions in companies, your degree matters f00k all , its all about experience then.

    3. The myth of "work / life balance" is still a new thing, and all of these younger people are fascinated by it. In the old days (up till 15 years ago) you traditionally had the husband away working very hard, the wife raised the kids and he only saw them 2 days at the weekends. Then this idea that you can have it all career, time with the kids, holidays whenever crept in, and a lot of the US tech companies offer their disposable staff all these perks and time off just to fill seats. The only people who succeed in these "balanced" workplaces are still the workaholics who throw in 70+ hours a week, take every project offered, never leave at 5 etc.. You can have it all and have an ok life, but if you want serious cash you have to be serious about your career.

    4. Doing what you want to do can be profitable , journalist/photographer/television/actor etc.. all these "dream" jobs are only possible if you literally give everything to it. Im talking 15 years of 100 hour weeks trying as hard as possible every second of every day minimum. The only people who succeed work hardest. Unless your prepared for that dedication you'll have to settle for the comparatively easier "job you need" rather than "job you want"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,992 ✭✭✭bmwguy


    With a business management degree if you want big money you should do the professional accounting exams. The average accountant salary in Ireland is 82k. But obviously this is skewed by high earning CFOs and the likes but it is very achievable. I am not long enough qualified to earn that yet but I am in the 60s in my main job (don't need to go over 40 hours very often) plus I do some work on the side from home for small businesses (about 6-8hours a week) and generally take in approx 50 an hour for it. I work hard at my job, always have. That is what it takes to earn that kind of money. Take home approx 900 a week from my employed position and 400 a week from my sideline.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,686 ✭✭✭barneystinson


    bmwguy wrote: »
    With a business management degree if you want big money you should do the professional accounting exams. The average accountant salary in Ireland is 82k. But obviously this is skewed by high earning CFOs and the likes but it is very achievable. I am not long enough qualified to earn that yet but I am in the 60s in my main job (don't need to go over 40 hours very often) plus I do some work on the side from home for small businesses (about 6-8hours a week) and generally take in approx 50 an hour for it. I work hard at my job, always have. That is what it takes to earn that kind of money. Take home approx 900 a week from my employed position and 400 a week from my sideline.

    8 x €50 is €400, but what about the tax - after tax you'd only be netting €200 surely...? ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,129 ✭✭✭jackboy


    As a shift operater at a pharmaceutical plant you could hit the 80,000 mark. It can be boring work but anyone can do it and no long hours. Very few of these jobs going at the moment though. Also, it would be hard to get in the door without a contact on the inside.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Social & Fun Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,119 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tar.Aldarion


    +1 I went self employed almost 12 years ago in IT. I can command a pretty hefty day rate for contracting but its taken a long time to get here . Heres a few things Ive learned along the way

    1. With the exception of a tiny minority of higher end civil servants , Nobody in any profession has managed to exceed the 60k mark on 40 hours a week. To get to big money requires long hours, working weekends, at home work on presentations / projects. I have regularly done 110+ hour weeks to further my business, and my average work week now would still be over 65 hours. You might be doing 40 hours a week on that money as a director of a company etc.. but to get there definitely took a decade from your life.

    2. A degree entitles you to nothing, it purely gets you in the door of some professions or lets you jump up a rung in the ladder. Somebody with a degree may get a starter position on 25k a year where an unskilled person doing the same would start on 18k , when you start competing for higher positions in companies, your degree matters f00k all , its all about experience then.

    3. The myth of "work / life balance" is still a new thing, and all of these younger people are fascinated by it. In the old days (up till 15 years ago) you traditionally had the husband away working very hard, the wife raised the kids and he only saw them 2 days at the weekends. Then this idea that you can have it all career, time with the kids, holidays whenever crept in, and a lot of the US tech companies offer their disposable staff all these perks and time off just to fill seats. The only people who succeed in these "balanced" workplaces are still the workaholics who throw in 70+ hours a week, take every project offered, never leave at 5 etc.. You can have it all and have an ok life, but if you want serious cash you have to be serious about your career.

    4. Doing what you want to do can be profitable , journalist/photographer/television/actor etc.. all these "dream" jobs are only possible if you literally give everything to it. Im talking 15 years of 100 hour weeks trying as hard as possible every second of every day minimum. The only people who succeed work hardest. Unless your prepared for that dedication you'll have to settle for the comparatively easier "job you need" rather than "job you want"
    To point number one , I did, after about 2 years out of college. Depends on what you are doing.

    If you want to talk about the US,grads there in IT, law etc can be earning 100k-200k+ out of college depending on location and certainly can have a good work life balance, 35 hours per week (well in IT, dunno about law, not my field). They have so much choice that they just move if they don't like conditions these days and that has affected things greatly.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 114 ✭✭ponzook


    OP a degree only teaches you about 10% of what you actually need in a work place. It took me six months after graduating to land a job. My story is I started on 25k in I.T and worked for the same company for around 18 months and did four I.T exams in that time and was doing level 1 support on the service desk. There was no real opportunities to push on where I was working.

    Got a new job paying 32k doing a mixture of level 1 and level 2 support for a well know I.T company. Without the previous level 1 expierence I couldn't have doing this job. Did an additional four exams over two years and they placed me solely on level 2 support and am getting 35k.

    The next stage is level 3 support where I don't really have the expierence and really don't want the pressure of it at my age and wouldnt have the skills anyway. 35k is perfectly fine for me at the moment and maybe 10 years down the line I'll have the skills for level 3 support and my wages should increase again.


    Also I'm happy in the company I'm in now and treat me very well. It's all abut the expierence is what gets you the wages and able to handle projects effectively. I'm 26 now and know the extra money will come maybe 5 or 10 years down the line


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,247 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    To point number one , I did, after about 2 years out of college. Depends on what you are doing.

    If you want to talk about the US,grads there in IT, law etc can be earning 100k-200k+ out of college depending on location and certainly can have a good work life balance, 35 hours per week (well in IT, dunno about law, not my field). They have so much choice that they just move if they don't like conditions these days and that has affected things greatly.

    firstly fair play to you. Must have worked quite hard to get there.

    the US is a funny one as in some locations you have the developer salary bubble caused by the demand from startups. These people sink or swim very quickly though, the workload is usually massive coming up to project deadlines and the rug on work/life balance gets pulled very quickly when something needs doing. Sure look at google , the free food is an incentive so they can cut your lunchtime short if they need you to fix something , and to keep you in the office as long as they can. Very very few engineers make it past 5 years in these type environments. "generation startup" on 100k+ will find their runway on high wages and infinite demand dry up for a large part before this decade is out.

    its also quite relative. you can make 100k no bother in san fransisco , but your 1 bed apartment is $2500 a month and a burger costs $15


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,712 ✭✭✭YFlyer


    8 x €50 is €400, but what about the tax - after tax you'd only be netting €200 surely...? ;)

    He is an accountant.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,686 ✭✭✭barneystinson


    YFlyer wrote: »
    He is an accountant.

    So am I, what's your point...!?


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