Renault next for diesel gate?

Stallingrad

Various Renault sites raided by police.

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35309674

moleyv

Nissan could be involved too then.

Alanstrainor

They were all playing the same game. Hardly surprising...

Atlantic Dawn

I'm surprised the other major German makers are not also involved...so far.

Toyotafanboi

biggest thing is that people had a raging stiffy for VW products and they had a credible brand image. People (at least in Ireland) generally thought that Renault were **** anyway, so i can't see it being as damaging to them. VW had something to lose, Renault don't really, they are selling good these days because they are cheap and people who buy based on price alone won't really care.

generally with these types of scandals it's always the first name to break the headlines that is remembered, the other collateral usually gets by with it's name relatively unscathed. everybody remembers the Toyota/ Takata airbag **** up, far less seem to rememeber remember the BMW/ Takata airbag ****up.

AMKC

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

biggest thing is that people had a raging stiffy for VW products and they had a credible brand image. People (at least in Ireland) generally thought that Renault were **** anyway, so i can't see it being as damaging to them. VW had something to lose, Renault don't really, they are selling good these days because they are cheap and people who buy based on price alone won't really care.

generally with these types of scandals it's always the first name to break the headlines that is remembered, the other collateral usually gets by with it's name relatively unscathed. everybody remembers the Toyota/ Takata airbag **** up, far less seem to rememeber remember the BMW/ Takata airbag ****up.

Did they. I think people in Ireland don,t think that maybe some people but not everyone. Renault have always done very well in Ireland. There is lots of people in Ireland that have bought Renault for lots of other reasons like for instance the fact that they are a very safe car helped sell a lot of Renaults. Renault cars can also be quite innovative too. They are also comfortable, well equipped, look good and well built now too.

I think this emissions scandal is all a load of bull. Have them people not got anything else to be worrying about instead of raiding car factory's.

CIP4

It just shows how much Renault have come on through the last 15 years they couldn't make electric Windows that worked at one stage now they are making their cars complex enough to cheat emissions tests I mean credit where credit is due :pac:

Seems they are all at it so I don't think it's going to make any huge difference and there isn't official evidence of the cheating but there probably will be soon I suppose. As a Renault owner it won't make fcuk all difference to me.

Hardly a surprise. Wouldn't trust a french-made Renault car anyway. Heaps of scrap, a blight on the motoring world and about as stylish as Justin Bieber.


Everytime I see one of them rattling frenchie "renos" going by I think, "thank god I didn't get one of those baguettes". Was very nearly tempted to get one at one stage. Thankfully I got a Citroen instead. Much better car.



(yep, just some slight sarcasm to lighten the mood!)

The Sidewards Man

Deleted User wrote: »

Hardly a surprise. Wouldn't trust a french-made Renault car anyway. Heaps of scrap, a blight on the motoring world and about as stylish as Justin Bieber.)

Alot of women get wet at the thought of J.B.

The Sidewards Man

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

Alot of women get wet at the thought of J.B.

Hardly fair to call a 12 year old a 'woman' :P

run_Forrest_run

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

Alot of women get wet at the thought of J.B.

I know a girl who used to get wet in her Megane too, when it rained..sun roof leak you see.

jimgoose

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

...People (at least in Ireland) generally thought that Renault were **** anyway, so i can't see it being as damaging to them. VW had something to lose, Renault don't really, they are selling good these days because they are cheap and people who buy based on price alone won't really care...

You make a fair point, but a lot of them will get into a bit of a strop at the idea of their cheap tax being buggered-about with.

CIP4

jimgoose wrote: »

You make a fair point, but a lot of them will get into a bit of a strop at the idea of their cheap tax being buggered-about with.

It is more likely they are fiddling the NOx figures and not CO2 so that wont effect tax. Although at one stage there was talks that VW were fiddling the CO2 on their petrols too but I never heard anymore on that one so it must not have been proven. I don't think there would be much point in fiddling diesel CO2 emissions as they are inherently lower than petrol anyway there certainly would be a point in doing it to the petrols though.

jimgoose

CIP4 wrote: »

It is more likely they are fiddling the NOx figures and not CO2 so that wont effect tax. Although at one stage there was talks that VW were fiddling the CO2 on their petrols too but I never heard anymore on that one so it must not have been proven. I don't think there would be much point in fiddling diesel CO2 emissions as they are inherently lower than petrol anyway there certainly would be a point in doing it to the petrols though.

This has been done to death on the other thread, but in a nutshell, turbodiesels need high compression and temperatures for efficiency. Heat and pressure increases NOx production, so if you lower the latter you tend to lower efficiency and increase fuel consumption, and hence CO2.

Special Circumstances

CIP4 wrote: »

It just shows how much Renault have come on through the last 15 years they couldn't make electric Windows that worked at one stage now they are making their cars complex enough to cheat emissions tests I mean credit where credit is due :pac:

Gold :pac:

CIP4 wrote: »

Seems they are all at it so I don't think it's going to make any huge difference and there isn't official evidence of the cheating but there probably will be soon I suppose. As a Renault owner it won't make fcuk all difference to me.

If they can just admit that they can't make clean diesels, and allow petrols the same cheat factor on CO2 limits as diesels have on NOX and particulates (assuming no crackdown on DPF removals), then everybody is happy. Except people with particulate cancer and respiratory conditions but hey, it's a small price to pay for the joy of diesel;)

That's it I promise. No more posts from me here. Unless someone starts the "diesels are whisper quiet AND sound better than petrol" crap again.

colm_mcm

I'll just leave this here.





I'll be back for it later.

MuppetCheck

Special Circumstances wrote: »

That's it I promise. No more posts from me here. Unless someone starts the "diesels are whisper quiet AND sound better than petrol" crap again.

I really don't think anyone has said that on here ever.

Special Circumstances

MuppetCheck wrote: »

I really don't think anyone has said that on here ever.

If you were walking behind one it would be indistinguishable from a petrol apparently.
Maybe they meant when the engine wasn't running?

MuppetCheck

Special Circumstances wrote: »

If you were walking behind one it would be indistinguishable from a petrol apparently.
Maybe they meant when the engine wasn't running?

I saw that post. The guy qualified that afterwards which you seemed to ignore. Maybe wasn't clear in the first place but more than adequately explained afterwards. Don't necessarily agree with the walking behind part of his post mind.

Special Circumstances

MuppetCheck wrote: »

I saw that post. The guy qualified that afterwards which you seemed to ignore. Maybe wasn't clear in the first place but more than adequately explained afterwards to the point where to use it as an example is making things up on your part.

Incorrect, unless posts were deleted. Now who's making things up?

The final word on the matter in that thread is
"If you were walking behind it at a funeral you would not know it was a diesel"

To be fair, he doesn't specify if the engine is running or not.


Ah, I see a little row-back edit. I can accept that change.
I really didn't want to do this to another thread ( I prefer my rants to be on the farcical nature of emissions regulation testing and "enforcement") but when people accuse me of making things up I have to reply.

MuppetCheck

Special Circumstances wrote: »

Incorrect, unless posts were deleted. Now who's making things up?

The final word on the matter in that thread is
"If you were walking behind it at a funeral you would not know it was a diesel"

To be fair, he doesn't specify if the engine is running or not.


Ah, I see a little row-back edit. I can accept that change.
I really didn't want to do this to another thread ( I prefer my rants to be on the farcical nature of emissions regulation testing and "enforcement") but when people accuse me of making things up I have to reply.

Wasn't a roll back, I thought I was being unnecessarily harsh on reflection as that wasn't intended when I commented originally. Like I said, I wouldn't agree with that funeral part. However I don't think anyone has said on this forum the below.

Special Circumstances wrote: »

diesels are whisper quiet AND sound better than petrol

Maybe a 6cyl or 8cyl diesel might sound better than a 1 litre Yaris has been said as a comparison but I really have never read your quote anywhere on here and find it difficult to believe it's not made up tbh.

nagel

Renault supply Mercedes-Benz with engines, surprises, so the Germans were caught fiddling and thought its because they use French engines

Dr Turk Turkelton

colm_mcm wrote: »

I'll just leave this here.





I'll be back for it later.

Doubt it will be there tbh, there is a certain "ethnic minority" in this country who feel it is part of their culture to steal these whenever they are left unattended.

Special Circumstances

MuppetCheck wrote: »

I really have never read your quote anywhere on here and find it difficult to believe it's not made up tbh.

It's the standard route any thread takes
1)they are very clean
2)diesel engines are very refined, indistinguishable from petrol now.
3)if they do make a sound, they sound better (to be fair, this usually compares 6pot or more diesel to 4pot petrol)
4)even if they don't sound better, nobody cares. (this apparently is why any car advertisement that features an engine sound makes sure that it is the diesel engine and definitely not always the petrol model)

Not everybody holds all of these viewpoints, but some people do seem to be able to hold several contradictory ones.

It's as credible as the people denying ANY possible issue with the current mass unchecked immigration into Europe.

Back to the Renaults maybe...

Del2005

CIP4 wrote: »

It is more likely they are fiddling the NOx figures and not CO2 so that wont effect tax. Although at one stage there was talks that VW were fiddling the CO2 on their petrols too but I never heard anymore on that one so it must not have been proven. I don't think there would be much point in fiddling diesel CO2 emissions as they are inherently lower than petrol anyway there certainly would be a point in doing it to the petrols though.

Sure they're legally allowed to fiddle the CO2. Getting the figures from a rolling road on over inflated tyres which can never be matched in the real world.

AMKC

Deleted User wrote: »

Hardly a surprise. Wouldn't trust a french-made Renault car anyway. Heaps of scrap, a blight on the motoring world and about as stylish as Justin Bieber.


Everytime I see one of them rattling frenchie "renos" going by I think, "thank god I didn't get one of those baguettes". Was very nearly tempted to get one at one stage. Thankfully I got a Citroen instead. Much better car.



(yep, just some slight sarcasm to lighten the mood!)

Now now being jealous is not good for you.