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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Its such a shame that the narrative about carlow is now so negative. But its completely understandable. Fair play to love carlow campaign for looking to identify the positives and build on them. I hope the townsfolk can get behind it and build up some momentum. Towns can turn themselves around. Gorey would be a good example of this.

    As for good things about the town? Visual, the theatre, a strong IT, St Patricks college, theres a lot of potential for the arts festival. Dublin St is a beautiful streetscape if it could be brought back to life. The lanes around cathedral also have lots of potential.


  • Registered Users Posts: 60,413 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    The number one bad thing is the CoCo themselves and their planning department.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭Nokia6230i


    fits wrote: »
    Its such a shame that the narrative about carlow is now so negative. But its completely understandable. Fair play to love carlow campaign for looking to identify the positives and build on them. I hope the townsfolk can get behind it and build up some momentum. Towns can turn themselves around. Gorey would be a good example of this.

    As for good things about the town? Visual, the theatre, a strong IT, St Patricks college, theres a lot of potential for the arts festival. Dublin St is a beautiful streetscape if it could be brought back to life. The lanes around cathedral also have lots of potential.

    This bit though (the sentence in bold)?

    Have you seen College St./Brown St./Charlotte St.?

    College St. has Mimosa/s going for it alright but does the Riverboat Casino add to it?

    There's 2 Abandoned, derelict houses right opp. Carlow College that were painted up recently (presumably for Carlow Arts Festival, it's still putting lipstick on a pig mind!); one's fit for knocking down only, the other, having been in it prior to boarding it up a number of years ago, is only semi-habitable & has no electricity/running water.

    Squatters broke in & the smell of urine upstairs where there was no toilet meant they didn't give a, if you'll pardon the pun.

    The downstairs toilet? Well it was full to be polite & masks were reqd. when boarding up where that window'd been kicked in/out to gain entry.

    Upstairs there were the usual paraphrenlia (sp?) of heroin use from needles to tin-foil to silver spoons to lighters etc.

    More than once disturbed trespassers. As a neighbour nearby the house had to be secured & the owner has left it vacant for 6+ years!

    The one beside it? Squatters'd be wasting their time.

    Lower College St. isn't too bad but M.J. Nolans place is vacant; the TD Pension must pay well if he can leave it like that; as it was it was rarely used when he was in office prior to 2011.

    Dooleys Garage that stretches around the corner onto Court Place has been boarded up for I'm thinking a decade at this stage & has been subject to arson attacks. It had a "Sold Sign" up on it recently but not holding my breath on any improvements to the site.

    Next door to it's a house that again is boarded up & has smashed windows upstairs.

    Majority of houses on Lwr. College St. are at least occupied bar M.J. Nolans Office I think.

    Brown St.? The corner house one side of which borders College St. is up for sale with DNG/Allsop Properties Auction. The previous inhabitant told me it's falling down inside; structural issues like wall cracks, the B.E.R.'d be as low as it's possible to go.

    Next door features regularly in the papers/courts for nefarious reasons; have seen deals being conducted in broad daylight regularly & it's a case of pack 'em in, stack 'em high; 5 Flats in it. Was in one; you wouldn't swing a cat; the owner drives a Merc so she's living off the flat of the land in a big way.

    Majority in it on various forms of benefits & rent allowance; would love to meet the C.W.O. who okayed these flats to be in receipt of R.A./R.S./H.A.P. etc. which in turn benefits owner.

    Next door is the Dolls House; June Doran Properties have a Sold Sign gone up on it recently; think A.M.V. was €45k? It's more of a knocker-downer than a do-er upper; recently had a look inside when someone (resident/visitor) from next door kicked it in; squatters wouldn't bother with it it's in that bad a state.

    Like Dooleys I don't expect it to be inhabited anytime soon.

    Then there's Maggie Bolgers; the owner must be rolling in it to leave it stand, it used to be a watering hole for Carlow College students and staff after hours; it's got potential but needs serious renovation; could easily be turned into a guesthouse or a townhouse etc.

    Whoever owns the Ritz Hotel/Charlotte Rooms would make a go of it I think but it needs serious renovation; fly a drone over that quarter & you'll see the dereliction behind it; if attending the G.P. Surgery you can see across over the rooftops that the amount of overgrowth & flora there means nature is slowly reclaiming the properties.

    Workmans Club new entrance is on Brown St. also; they've given it a paint job but the redbrick part on Charlotte St. hasn't been touched; how soon before that looks antiquated and not in a good way since main entrance is no longer used; snooker & pool club upstairs is also out of bounds now.

    Bar Funfair Amusements Arcade on L.H.S. on way up to Charlotte St. Trumps Nightclub is showing its age as are the other commercial & residential properties there that lie vacant.

    At least Charlotte Rooms/The Living Rm./Ritz Hotel being reopened as Student Accommodation is a boon at least.

    On the other side coming back down at least Walter Colemans Cycles, the Sewing Shop, the Christian Bible Church, Monte Carlow Casino are trading/being used but there are a number of units being used for nothing but storage & so look vacant.

    On Brown St. the properties are occupied in the main but the side of it toward College St. has at least two houses boarded up/vacant for years.

    I know the owner of one & aforementioned Dolls House were one & the same (they're same colour and I was told by someone in Flemington House) & it doesn't appear that squatters can break in but again, lying empty; house beside it has some sort of mesh covering the windows so another vacant residential property.

    So while I admire your positivity I see it differently ever so slightly.

    As for the Nursing Home being vacant on Court Place for 20+ Years when someone like Carlow College, SVDP etc. could buy/lease it surely?

    And the hotel that's been purchased & renovated but still waiting for a leaseholder since Summer 2015 I think......?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭Nokia6230i


    Is the survey meant for Townies, the town only or for the county also?


  • Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭Jed and Dave


    Nokia6230i wrote: »
    This bit though (the sentence in bold)?

    Have you seen College St./Brown St./Charlotte St.?

    College St. has Mimosa/s going for it alright but does the Riverboat Casino add to it?

    There's 2 Abandoned, derelict houses right opp. Carlow College that were painted up recently (presumably for Carlow Arts Festival, it's still putting lipstick on a pig mind!); one's fit for knocking down only, the other, having been in it prior to boarding it up a number of years ago, is only semi-habitable & has no electricity/running water.

    Squatters broke in & the smell of urine upstairs where there was no toilet meant they didn't give a, if you'll pardon the pun.

    The downstairs toilet? Well it was full to be polite & masks were reqd. when boarding up where that window'd been kicked in/out to gain entry.

    Upstairs there were the usual paraphrenlia (sp?) of heroin use from needles to tin-foil to silver spoons to lighters etc.

    More than once disturbed trespassers. As a neighbour nearby the house had to be secured & the owner has left it vacant for 6+ years!

    The one beside it? Squatters'd be wasting their time.


    In the Development Plan they call that area "the Cultural Quarter":eek:

    I wish I was joking.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,280 ✭✭✭✭fits


    Nokia6230i wrote: »
    Is the survey meant for Townies, the town only or for the county also?

    I think the survey is focussed on the town itself but anyone with an interest should respond to it.

    As for the cathedral lanes i agree there is a lot to be done but what was templebar 30 years ago? If it was regenerated it would be a grand area.


  • Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭Jed and Dave


    I filled it in.
    I think my 3 positives

    1. Was the presence of 3rd level institutions (if only they we re in the town not moving out the road further)
    2. The beatiful rivers bridges views and historic buildings(if only they wernt hidden) and the town tried to turn towards them.
    3. Accessible shopping

    my negatives were as my original rant only tried to be more constructive,
    lack of government funding which feeds into this too when you see carlow getting 2 million and the likes of 8m in government funding going to leitrim coco you know theres something wrong.
    Theres more negative than positive but at least you have to start somewhere and good luck to love carlow. If the town was regenerated in a targeted way it in accordance with a vision it could be a lovely vibrant place that its not at the minute.


  • Registered Users Posts: 283 ✭✭Grassy Knoll


    Nokia has done a good job on cateloguing the level of dereliction in the general College st area - moving on, the loc authorities should seek to CPO these derelict property and thru social / affordable housing do a small street infill programme - alternatively sell on at CPO cost to someone who will be legally obliged do them up to a certain standard.

    Nokia has also identified a huge site from te Ritz on Tullow st back - to Brown st - a developer was assembling the site for a project however one prominent hold-out meant it went nowhere- seems the student scheme for the Ritz might be a holding project- a proper development wold led revitalise Tullow st. area


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    Got another e-mail this morning.........
    Love Carlow Day
    Saturday October 15th
    6am to 1pm


    This is a date for your diary. We are looking for volunteers, business owners/operators, carlovians, basically everybody who loves this town and county to join in a day to clean up various areas and projects within Carlow Town.

    To date we have identified a number of projects which will be addressed on the day, however feel free to contact us with details of any specific project you would like to tackle.

    We are urging all business owners to assist by coordinating a clean up on the exterior of their premises and the immediate approaches, don't forget to recruit your neighbor to the task also



    Where will we be?
    The Old Cosmos Premises on Tullow Street will be our base of operations on the morning, we will request all volunteers to sign in with us there so that we can ensure effective coordination of projects.

    Why start at 6am?
    There is a considerable amount of work to be done, and the best time to carry this out is before the traffic starts, businesses open and visitors arrive. In addition, just think of the wow factor as people arrive to the town and see the improvements first hand.

    What about tools and equipment?
    We have received sponsorship from a number of busiensses and for this we are extremely grateful. We have been provided with High Viz Vests with Love Carlow on them, waste removal, cleaning services, to name but a few. We are still coordinating what other items we need, however come prepared and ready.

    What projects will be tackled on the day?
    The planned projects include, removal of fly posters, power washing, litter picking, painting, planting etc to name but a few.

    What Can I Do?
    1. Turn up on the 15th prepared to assist
    2. Maybe you are a business owner / operator in the town and open on the day, that's fine however maybe you could focus some time on the area outside your premises and encourage your neighbor's to do the same
    3. Can't assist on the day? How about helping through sponsoring in some way, contact us and we can discuss further

    Count Me IN
    This is what will make the difference, we can all be involved. Let us know who and how many will be assisting on the day by e-mailing Brian on ceo@carlowchamber.com . If you are completing your own project at your premises, let us know also.

    More Information?
    Need some more information, got questions, want to provide sponsorship. Get in contact now on e-mail ceo@carlowchamber.com



    See you there!
    Saturday October 15th
    6am to 1pm


    https://www.facebook.com/lovecarlow.ie/


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭Nokia6230i


    Carlow Town Team run by Carlow Chamber of Commerce right.....necessary to create another quango?

    Was at "Jobs" Fair last week & there were more courses on offer & IT Carlow LLLC Brochures & various divisions of the Dole Office/Intreo/FÁS/Solas etc. than there were actual recruiters.

    Can only think of Phonewatch/Matrix Recruitment (not company specific)/Netwatch/Comfort Keepers/Home Instead/Bluebird/Translit.

    So this Carlow Town Team strikes me as another extension of a local council body effectively; do I take it Carlow Town Team launched in the Autumn of 2014 has been quietly dropped by the CCC & other stakeholders because it was the forerunner effectively to Carlow Town Team.

    If it's not working let's try something not much different but under a different name huh...?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5 Davyation


    Beware bit of a rant coming up.
    Have to say the layout of the town is badly thought out and to me the spatial plan for Carlow graigue is a lot of wishful thinking with sites on the river and imaginary footpaths and bridges and nothing in terms of specifics. If I was a developer I wouldent want to go near sites at the castle end of town as theres no footfall because of the fairgreen.
    I think the local council has a lot to answer for, check out the article in village magazine.



    The councils own planning page is crap for looking at planning applications and drawings

    To me (a relative blow in) the town suffers because there is:
    • No identifyable town centre.Landmarks are hidden
    • The retail is so spread out due to the fairgreen that the centre of town and the other end of town is suffering.
    • The view of the Castle is blocked.The office development blocking the view of the castle from the river a disgrace.
    • “Cultural Quarter “ is hidden and the whole place is really downtrodden looking and un attractive.
    • Delta sensory gardens built out in an industrial estate???? WTF
    • Too many surface car parks
    • The fairgreen drags people away from the traditional core of the town along tullow street/Dublin street and the rest of town is suffering as a result.
    • The centre of town is unattractive with a lot of traffic and no public spaces.
    • No more big stores(dunes etc. at the retail park end of town) – the castle end of town at the other end of tullow street should be where focu
    • The beautiful rivers in Carlow are ignored in the town centre… why don’t they CPO the ****e buildings on kennedy street and create an enclosed park/space on the river up the castle.. a few compulsory purchase orders and some foresight?
    • Cant think of many places in the town where I can sit outside a café and enjoy a nice view of anything really – wouldent really attract tourists.
    Suggestions:
    Everyone start kicking up a stink.
    Tax breaks and living over the shop scheme etc.
    Get rid of the car park in front of the dinn ri and do something much nicer and provide underground car parking elsewhere.
    Try Get one of the colleges to develop a part of a campus down at the castle end of tullow street breath some life into the town centre.
    Bike rental scheme anyone..Carlow Bikes??
    Develop the barrow way similar for tourists similar to the green way in mayo.
    Cant think of any more at the minute. Thoughts??

    I had a walk around Carlow yesterday, for the first time in years, and was about to paste a rant. I happened to see your rant, and unfortunately it looks as though nothing has improved in the years since you wrote it. The town is a planning shambles; and should be used worldwide as a training aid for 'how not to plan a town'.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,396 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Well still it goes on. I believe TK Maxx should be "encouraged" into the town centre (i.e. old Darrers/Houston store) site- rather than a new build out in Hannover retail park. Crazy in my opinion


  • Registered Users Posts: 67 ✭✭Jed and Dave


    yeah interesting that this is brought up again, not much has changed in the period since and people should bring it up with their local representatives.

    I think the town centre is a "drive through" retail offering as no one lives in the centre of town - how many people live on tullow street or Dublin street? not many id imagine, no wonder footfall is suffering. The elephant in the room is that the population in the centre of town has been falling for years while the population overall has been growing.

    The development of the TK max or this penneys refurbishment another example, why was some sort of residential element not included in the application? its a town centre site- but the attitude is "ahh sure isn't it great we are getting a tk maxx". The more people live in town the safer the streets would be.

    The air quality in town is awful with all the traffic(because most people don't live within walking distance of the town centre)- that is a direct result of building housing estates on the edge of town while the centre is derelict.

    look at the town on a map - half the town has been built OUTSIDE the ringroad (to the east and north) and you don't need to be an expert to see that. If I was starting a business now id locate it on the o brien road which is where most of the people live in the town. Development needs to start in the centre and work out not as in Carlow where only the fringes are being developed.


    One really positive development is that the local council are looking to engage a dedicated town architect which would be a real positive move, if you look on youtube the work a town architect has done in Westport would really encourage you.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭SligoBrewer


    Those people living on the outskirts of town should be encouraged to cycle. They all are 2k ish from the town.

    However the cycling infrastructure in the town or the behaviour of drivers in the town wouldn't exactly be favourable to this.


  • Registered Users Posts: 19,396 ✭✭✭✭road_high


    Those people living on the outskirts of town should be encouraged to cycle. They all are 2k ish from the town.

    However the cycling infrastructure in the town or the behaviour of drivers in the town wouldn't exactly be favourable to this.

    Well that’s the same in all our towns and cities. Not just a Carlow issue. Which doesn’t have a local town bus service when smaller town like Sligo, athlone and Tralee do


  • Registered Users Posts: 113 ✭✭lausp


    I think ideally there should be some effort to pedestrianise the entirety of Tullow Street. Currently with parking allowed on one side, it's too narrow anyway.

    There then should be some sort of covering over the street from the potatoe market to Dublin street section. This would allow a similar ambience to Kieran street in Kilkenny where coffee shops and cafes have outdoor seating and people can wander through without worrying about traffic.

    In addition to this I would then remove the traffic lights at the Plaza and install a roundabout. Ultimately the volume of traffic in the town is not significant, but cars idling at lights badly contributes to the air quality as noted by another poster. I'd also change the pelican crossings to zebra crossings, like used on High Street in Kilkenny.

    Entrance to the Fairgreen from Barrack street should be blocked to traffic too.

    Tullow Street needs a large revamp in general. Many buildings are in a bad state of repair, and generally the appearance of the entire street needs a big investment.

    There are obviously serious substance abuse problems in the town also. I witness fights and people having serious arguments on the street on a regular basis during the day.

    A real pity to see the decline in the town but there appears to be plenty of opportunities to improve the place. The building opposite the plaza, old houses on Barrack Street and Penny's area are all well located to inject a bit more life back in to the area and link the town centre to Tullow Street. It of course requires the correct planning and investment to work.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 Fiatx19


    Whoever gave permission to build the shamrock plaza should be shot by firing squad for crimes against Carlow town!

    It's an ugly monstrosity in the heart of the town. It sticks out like a sore thumb.

    I thought the post office/social welfare building was bad but shamrock plaza takes ugly in carlow to a whole new level.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 177 ✭✭ScallionAyter


    Fiatx19 wrote: »
    Whoever gave permission to build the shamrock plaza should be shot by firing squad for crimes against Carlow town!

    It's an ugly monstrosity in the heart of the town. It sticks out like a sore thumb.

    I thought the post office/social welfare building was bad but shamrock plaza takes ugly in carlow to a whole new level.

    I like it! It's a statement of ambition and scale, and better than what was there before. If Carlow Town wants to be a city someday, it'll need more buildings like that. Very little on that end of Tullow street is worth preserving. The sooner a lot of them are knocked and replaced with modern retail buildings the better.
    If you look at most of the commercial buildings currently for sale in the town centre, they're absolutely decrepid and serious money pits to renovate.


  • Registered Users Posts: 943 ✭✭✭Real Life


    I like it! It's a statement of ambition and scale, and better than what was there before. If Carlow Town wants to be a city someday, it'll need more buildings like that. Very little on that end of Tullow street is worth preserving. The sooner a lot of them are knocked and replaced with modern retail buildings the better.
    If you look at most of the commercial buildings currently for sale in the town centre, they're absolutely decrepid and serious money pits to renovate.

    Yea I don't mind it myself but I get the sticks out like a sore thumb comment, although I think thats more of a reflection on the old buildings around it, many of which are in terrible condition. It would be great if there was a plan in place to upgrade certain areas and done in the right way I think the town could look really well, I think it has potential but I cant see anything changing anytime soon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 60,413 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    An Bord Pleanala have refused planning permission for TK Max to go ahead after Fairgreen objected to the council giving planning permission.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    Regarding TK Maxx. If this makes sense to you, then you're cleverer than me
    ABP's decision to REFUSE the permission was made "having regard to the nature and extent of the proposed development, its location at a remove from the town centre outside of the Carlow Inner Relief Road and its lack of connectivity/pedestrian linkages to the town centre".

    The Board is "not satisfied, notwithstanding the town centre zoning of the site, that the proposed development would not have a detrimental impact on the vitality and viability of Carlow Town centre".

    They added that it "would not create an overly strong counter attraction to the town centre in terms of retail shopping, and considered, therefore, that the proposed development would be contrary to the proper planning and sustainable development of the area".

    Regarding Shamrock Plaza, it's a building full of employment in Carlow town and is badly needed. Between the businesses on the ground floor, UPMC Whitfield on the first floor, Unum employing 170 people on floors 2, 3 and 4......with medical centre, solicitor and apartments on the other wing, Carlow should have a few more places like it. The area is an absolute hole of a kip and that building is the exception which is why it sticks out.


  • Registered Users Posts: 329 ✭✭Be well and win


    I like the Shamrock Plaza, it's a bit of modernity and as a town centre employer, gives a bit of a boost to the surrounding area. It'll be interesting to see what Carpenters do for the funeral home but it's a shame the other side is still an eyesore, although the council have put some signs up on the houses behind it, wondering if they are moving to a compulsory purchase order?

    As for TK Maxx, refusal reason is very inconsistant given the same issue exists at the Fairgreen. I wonder given the current circumstances if they will appeal?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,861 ✭✭✭Nokia6230i


    Laois_Man wrote: »
    Regarding TK Maxx. If this makes sense to you, then you're cleverer than me



    Regarding Shamrock Plaza, it's a building full of employment in Carlow town and is badly needed. Between the businesses on the ground floor, UPMC Whitfield on the first floor, Unum employing 170 people on floors 2, 3 and 4......with medical centre, solicitor and apartments on the other wing, Carlow should have a few more places like it. The area is an absolute hole of a kip and that building is the exception which is why it sticks out.

    There are opportunities; look @ the Waterfront; it's a similar building to Shamrock Plaza apart from the 1200 a month 2 Bed Apts.; it currently houses Quinn-Reddin/Reddan (sp?), Eist & I think there's a third employer also on the 1st Floor where all three share office space.

    Upstairs on Second Floor it's Turas Nua, a DEASP collaboration with FRS Recruitment Irl/Working Links UK and that takes up a full floor in itself.

    Bottom or ground floor is empty though and has huge frontage in terms of display & the other wing is completely empty; on the other side again it's St. Clares Hospitality Kitchen; no idea of the nominal rent they're paying but it's far less than market rates; could it take a restaurant or is it simply in wrong area?

    Thinking of Boardwalk Cafe within spitting distance of it which is prepped incl. seating arrangments, place settings but sitting idle now a number of years in total; the refurb was stop start.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 12,485 Mod ✭✭✭✭byhookorbycrook


    lausp wrote: »
    I think ideally there should be some effort to pedestrianise the entirety of Tullow Street. Currently with parking allowed on one side, it's too narrow anyway.

    There then should be some sort of covering over the street from the potatoe market to Dublin street section. This would allow a similar ambience to Kieran street in Kilkenny where coffee shops and cafes have outdoor seating and people can wander through without worrying about traffic.



    This would effectively close off those streets for people with mobility issues.


  • Registered Users Posts: 60,413 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    Developer ‘has given up on Carlow’ after TK Maxx refusal
    A DEVELOPER admits he has “given up on Carlow” following the crushing decision by An Board Pleanála this week to refuse planning permission to retail giant TK Maxx.

    Gwen Thomas of Thompson Holdings Limited told The Nationalist yesterday that the decision by the planning authority not to allow a 4,000 square foot store ‒ TK Maxx and HomeSense ‒ at his site in Carlow Retail Park would ultimately “cost the town a lot of money”.

    “My reaction is I’m going to give up on Carlow … it’s been 23 years of struggling to get something on that site and now I’m just going to let it go grow weeds,” he stated.

    “People don’t want anything outside of Tullow Street, so that ends that; the contract with TK Maxx is finished, it’s gone now,” Mr Thomas lamented.

    “National policy is to protect town centres and I’m all for that, but no modern bricks and mortar major retailer can operate at up to 2,000 sq feet and that’s all that’s available in town centres,” he added.

    A contract between Mr Thomas’s company Thompson Holdings Limited and TK Maxx had been signed in March 2018, with TK Maxx proposing to anchor a 4,000 sq ft store employing up to 100 people, subject to planning permission. The intention was that the store would open in 2020, making it only the third HomeSense outlet in Ireland, with footfall expected from Kilkenny, Newbridge and Naas into Carlow. It was also expected to provide employment for up to 60 people during the construction phase.

    Carlow County Council granted planning permission for the development in September 2019, however, within weeks, the matter was appealed to An Board Pleanála by rivals Fairgreen Shopping Centre.

    The Board Pleanála decision this week cited the proposed development’s location away from the town centre and its lack of connectivity to the town centre as the reasons behind the refusal.

    Thompson Holdings Limited had also appealed one of the conditions of Carlow County Council’s decision to An Board Pleanála, which had restricted half of the development to ‘bulky goods’.

    Surprisingly, Mr Thomas has not yet received a copy of the An Board Pleanála decision.

    “My planner received a letter to say it had been refused, but I have not seen the planner’s report. The councillors have received a copy, but I haven’t, so it’s difficult to comment fully having not seen the report,” he added.

    Mr Thomas was critical of the long delays in the planning process, which impact enormously on attracting business.

    “There are only two major retailers in Ireland now investing in bricks and mortar, TK Maxx and Penneys; everyone else is going online, so the opportunity for Carlow and TK Maxx is definitely gone now,” he concluded.

    https://carlow-nationalist.ie/2020/05/05/developer-has-given-up-on-carlow-after-tk-maxx-refusal/#.XrMrT2N4XDt


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,632 ✭✭✭SligoBrewer


    This would effectively close off those streets for people with mobility issues.

    I couldn't disagree more. The footpaths on the 2 way side of Tullow Street are already overtaken with cars squeezing by and the on the one way side, the parking isn't disabled parking.

    99% of the people driving down Tullow St are just using it as a shortcut to the detriment of the businesses on the street. I think people with mobility issues would appreciate the space that comes with the main street of the town being car free.

    We'd be better off giving over more space at the Potato Market to pedestrians, and the success of the Farmers' Market has proven that there's something there that deserves proper space in the middle of the town. This is the stuff that Carlow should be building around, homegrown and local produce that keeps money circulating within the town and locality. Something with a real USP compared to utter nonsense like multinational discounters you can get in Newbridge or Kilkenny, like TK Maxx.


  • Registered Users Posts: 132 ✭✭carlaboi


    I thought Carlow County Council had a plan that was to pedestrianise much of Tullow st and Haymarket, my carlow it was called? Saw it last year I think but have heard nothing since. The Council are totally to blame for the current layout of the town but this has been going on for years all around Ireland. Walking down Tullow st and Dublin St now is like a ghost town. The shop units are too small for the big name shops that Carlow needs.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10 Fiatx19



    In fairness to the fairgreen area it is in the town centre. TK Maxx will probably move out to Dunnes on the Sleaty Road and Laois Co Council will get the rates. The proposed site was within walking distance of Tullow Street. There needs to be a plan to create a shopping `centre` in the heart of Carlow. Unfortunately we don't seem to have a planning department in carlow. What happened the plan to knock the houses on barrack Street and create a walkway from Dublin Street to the fairgreen?


  • Registered Users Posts: 60,413 ✭✭✭✭Agent Coulson


    So Fairgreen have been given permission from An Bord Pleanala to knock down the existing building they wanted to knock down and build a retail unit big enough to house TK Max which they are looking to get in there according to the front page of The Nationalist.


    Interesting.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 965 ✭✭✭radharc


    Consultation has opened on the latest plan for the town: Carlow 2040.

    I know the town has had many plans at this stage, none of which came to fruition, but there is a lot to like in this plan. Submissions are open for another week, it appears there has only been one submission so far.

    Edit: It's available on consult.carlow.ie


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