Gaa age eligibility for senior 2016

Robbie mini farmer

The rules are changing and now you have to be 17 to play adult hurling at club level which is over under21.does this mean you can play under21 hurling if your 16? And help appreciated thanks

paul0103

From 1st January 2016, the following changes shall apply:
Adult
- Club - be over 17 years
- Inter-County - be over 18 years
Under 21
- Club - be under 21 years and over 16 years
- Inter-County - be under 21 years and over 18 years)
To be “Under” an age shall mean that the player shall
celebrate the Upper Limit birthday (e.g. 21st. for Under
21 Grade) on the 1st. January of the Championship Year
or on a later date.
To be “Over” an age shall mean that the player shall
have celebrated the Lower Limit birthday (e.g. 16th. to
participate in Senior/Under 21 Grades) prior to the 1st.
January of the Championship Year.
Adult shall include Senior, Intermediate and Junior
Grades.
Girls may participate only up to and including the Under
12 Grade.

For 2016 you need to be over 16 (i.e. not eligible for U-16 competitions) to play club U-21, and over 18 (not eligible for minor) to play inter county U-21.

nice_guy80

paul0103 wrote: »

For 2016 you need to be over 16 (i.e. not eligible for U-16 competitions) to play club U-21, and over 18 (not eligible for minor) to play inter county U-21.

this rule is going to kill our club for the next few years. especially our second team.
I predict we're going to lose players because the only team a lot of them will get to play on is the minor team.

I fear the direction the GAA is taking. so much PC crap coming down from on high.

big_drive

So basically am I right in saying a lad who played his final year u16 in 2015 cannot play in the club senior team in 2016 ?
So this would be a change to previous years

paul0103

big_drive wrote: »

So basically am I right in saying a lad who played his final year u16 in 2015 cannot play in the club senior team in 2016 ?
So this would be a change to previous years

Yes, that's correct for this year, it's changing from what it was for the past few years. Need to be in your final year as a minor to play adult club.

sgarvan

big_drive wrote: »

So basically am I right in saying a lad who played his final year u16 in 2015 cannot play in the club senior team in 2016 ?
So this would be a change to previous years

Correct. Need to have turned 17 by the 1st January of the playing year.

Going to kill some of the smaller clubs who would play some of the minor players on their adult team.

big_drive

Is this all with a view to changing the minor grade to u17 ?

nice_guy80

big_drive wrote: »

Is this all with a view to changing the minor grade to u17 ?

No.
Somebody somewhere decided 16 and 17 year olds couldn't play adult grades anymore

bruschi

I still can not understand how some think that clubs will cease due to one year of players not being eligible. If the club adult team can not survive without 16 or 17 year olds, then they need to question what are they at in general. it's one year of players, if clubs are that small as it is, then that in most cases would be a pretty small number of players.

HanaleiJ5N

Bit of a shame, Declan Hannon was sensational when he first broke onto to the Adare team in 2009 in his first year over 16 and when Adare played Loughmore-Castleiney in the 2007 Munster championship it was clear to be seen that Noel McGrath had an excellent future ahead of him.

Sometimes a player is ready at that age. Some won't be, but if a player is good enough to play at adult grade then, within reason, age shouldn't really be a barrier. I'll never forget the end of the Newtownshandrum v Adare Munster championship game at Páirc Uí Chaoimh in 2009, NTS won but Hannon stole the show, got a standing ovation from the Cork support when he walked off at the end.

HanaleiJ5N

bruschi wrote: »

I still can not understand how some think that clubs will cease due to one year of players not being eligible. If the club adult team can not survive without 16 or 17 year olds, then they need to question what are they at in general. it's one year of players, if clubs are that small as it is, then that in most cases would be a pretty small number of players.

Completely agree, of a club is dependent every year on lads fresh out of under 16 then they have bigger problems than this rule change.

May be relevant in the case of a club's second or third team I guess but if this puts pressure on a clubs first team then in all likelihood that club was already headed for extinction or amalgamation.

nice_guy80

Many clubs main goal for the year is to field one or two teams and provide games for their players
That has been the case since the inception of the GAA

some of our current players started playing adult hurling when they were 15.
eg If Wayne Rooney had been a GAA player, he would have had to wait another year to make his debut for Everton.

Lt Dan

Load of nonsense. If a young 16 year is enough enough to make seniors and is better than many of the auld farts, he should be allowed to play. Toughen him up. To hell with the school teams if you are a county Minor (grand if you want to play of course)

nice_guy80

The main point, is that a lad turning 17 is realistically only going to play on one team - the minor team. Most of them wouldn't make an U21 team

So a lot less games for them

bruschi

nice_guy80 wrote: »

The main point, is that a lad turning 17 is realistically only going to play on one team - the minor team. Most of them wouldn't make an U21 team

So a lot less games for them

what? so he wouldnt make an Under 21 team but would make an adult team? How does that work?

big_drive

I still think this could be to bring minor grade to u17 in the future

Then a lad would play minor up to 17 and then once out of there would be eligible for adult grade. It could help with the problem of competitions being tied up because of a good minor playing on the adult side. Then it would be very straight forward as minor and adult grade would be totally separate and have no impact on each other

big_drive

bruschi wrote: »

what? so he wouldnt make an Under 21 team but would make an adult team? How does that work?

Was thinking the same myself, if you're not making the 21's you'd hardly be in demand with the adult side

KrustyUCC

Depends on what your after

Even a good minor may not make a clubs 1st under 21 team

That minor may not be needed for a clubs first team but would be in huge demand for second or subsequent teams

Even minors who do not play on the 1st 15 at minor are invaluable in helping fill out adult squads

DoctaDee

KrustyUCC wrote: »

.........
Even minors who do not play on the 1st 15 at minor are invaluable in helping fill out adult squads

This is quite true ... and on the other side how often have ya seen "aul men" fill a jersey for numbers on the Junior team. There was a man that worked with us who lined out hurling at the age of 62

KrustyUCC

Plenty

We had a 78 year old "play" with us one year and another selector line up FF in wellies

By play I mean step 1 foot inside the line with a jersey on for two minutes and then take 1 step back over the line

castletownman

Regarding this specific part of the law:

To be “Over” an age shall mean that the player shall have celebrated the Lower Limit birthday (e.g. 16th. to participate in Senior/Under 21 Grades) prior to the 1st.January of the Championship Year.

By my reckoning, could it be construed as if a player turned 16 in 2015 and 17 during the year, that he is eligible to play adult football this year? I always find the wording of all these laws as very ambiguous and hard to decipher.

bruschi

castletownman wrote: »

Regarding this specific part of the law:

To be “Over” an age shall mean that the player shall have celebrated the Lower Limit birthday (e.g. 16th. to participate in Senior/Under 21 Grades) prior to the 1st.January of the Championship Year.

By my reckoning, could it be construed as if a player turned 16 in 2015 and 17 during the year, that he is eligible to play adult football this year? I always find the wording of all these laws as very ambiguous and hard to decipher.

No, it is very clear. A player turning 17 this year is not eligible for adult this year, regardless of when his birthday is in the year.

thesultan

It's very tough on rural teams. Burn out involves to much training. Limit training sessions to one team a week.

joebloggs32

thesultan wrote: »

It's very tough on rural teams. Burn out involves to much training. Limit training sessions to one team a week.

You are correct about too much training, but your solution unfortunately will never work in the GAA as each manager of a team will always look for more. With talented young dual players the demands are ridiculous.

nice_guy80

joebloggs32 wrote: »

You are correct about too much training, but your solution unfortunately will never work in the GAA as each manager of a team will always look for more. With talented young dual players the demands are ridiculous.

Our 17 year minors got 7 games this year (actually it was 6, they got one walkover)

How does that help their development?
Every other year they would have got at least 5 junior B league games as well. And generally they'd be playing corner back or corner forward

bruschi

nice_guy80 wrote: »

Our 17 year minors got 7 games this year (actually it was 6, they got one walkover)

How does that help their development?
Every other year they would have got at least 5 junior B league games as well. And generally they'd be playing corner back or corner forward

well that should be an issue with your counties set rather than the age rule.

Our 17 year olds this year have got 17 championship (and 3 challenge) games so far with another 2 coming up and if they go well in those 2 we'll have more. Considering the time frame and the schools games they also have, they werent exactly left short.

We have had huge issues with lads who are 18 though between schools, county and their adult teams. A lot of them are going from game to game. At one stage 6 of them had 5 games in 7 days. As noted by another here, the demands on each team puts pressure on them and its rare a collective situation arises where they are able to be given breaks. Those lads who are 18 have barely trained at all with their minor team as a result.

nice_guy80

bruschi wrote: »

well that should be an issue with your counties set rather than the age rule.

Our 17 year olds this year have got 17 championship (and 3 challenge) games so far with another 2 coming up and if they go well in those 2 we'll have more. Considering the time frame and the schools games they also have, they werent exactly left short.

We have had huge issues with lads who are 18 though between schools, county and their adult teams. A lot of them are going from game to game. At one stage 6 of them had 5 games in 7 days. As noted by another here, the demands on each team puts pressure on them and its rare a collective situation arises where they are able to be given breaks. Those lads who are 18 have barely trained at all with their minor team as a result.

when there are only 5 teams in their grade of hurling, there isn't much you can do.

lack of games is a huge problem in a lot of counties