Alternative Brake Pads to EBC....

Wonda-Boy

What you guys use for brake pads?

I have been using EBC HH pads on the front of every bike I have ever had....but TBH they are getting pricey costing me €70 for complete set just for front. I know they are good but are there any other alternative pads out there.

Some people dont like EBC as they are meant to wear the disc out quicker and some dont like the noise they can make on certain bikes.

Give us your 2 cents.....;)

arybvtcw0eolkf

Seriously when things got tight for me a few years ago I went over to using spurious pads from Global Distributors in Santry, Dublin.

For my BMW they cost me €30 for a front set and they're every bit as good as pads twice (and more) the cost.

I'd also be heavy enough on my front brakes, its probably been over twenty years since I've used my back brakes, plus I'm braking a lot in Dublin city traffic and honestly I'll never go back to EBC or any other make.

Mesrine65

Always use these, purchase from ebay.de, can't fault them with the MT.

http://www.goldfrenusa.com/brake-pads-AD.htm

Wonda-Boy

Never even heard of them GOLDFREN pads before, cheers might take a look at them for next time round.

Hillybilly4

Was also going to suggest Goldfren - we've sold and used them ourselves for years for motocross/enduro race bikes and have found them to be a good brand.
There is a review of the brand here from 2011 relating to road bikes.
http://motorcyclesafetynews.com/?p=1994

Wonda-Boy

I take it nowhere in UK and Ireland distribute them.....

Deffo gonna get these next time around me thinks.

BlackWizard

I bought the GOLD brand from Ebay UK a few years ago for my Fazer 600. I noticed no difference at all.

GBX

I've bought GoldFren from Ebay before.

listermint

My EBCs purchased last week cost 90 Euro all round, front 2 and rear.



oh and the blow torch to remove the pin, fun fun fun

corkgsxr

Brembo. Oh wait there dearer.

I donno I tryed ferodo hh and found them ****

Hillybilly4

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

I take it nowhere in UK and Ireland distribute them.....

Deffo gonna get these next time around me thinks.

Well we sell them here in Ireland
We're off road bike specialists though...if you tell me what you need, when the time comes, I can see if we can get them for you

rolliepoley

Kamila Handsome Submarine wrote: »

Seriously when things got tight for me a few years ago I went over to using spurious pads from Global Distributors in Santry, Dublin.

For my BMW they cost me €30 for a front set and they're every bit as good as pads twice (and more) the cost.

I'd also be heavy enough on my front brakes, its probably been over twenty years since I've used my back brakes, plus I'm braking a lot in Dublin city traffic and honestly I'll never go back to EBC or any other make.

X gear i think their called and loads of meat on them, EBC pads a just disc eaters. Mostly designed for race use, two or three shots and then a bin job.

corkgsxr

rolliepoley wrote: »

X gear i think their called and loads of meat on them, EBC pads a just disc eaters. Mostly designed for race use, two or three shots and then a bin job.

Bull. Iv a gsxr with 24k miles on original disks that always used ebc hh. Can't see much wear. And it's not rode easy.

It's only this set of went to brembo

listermint

corkgsxr wrote: »

Bull. Iv a gsxr with 24k miles on original disks that always used ebc hh. Can't see much wear. And it's not rode easy.

It's only this set of went to brembo

Disk Eaters does appear to be 'Fiat are ****e' pub talk ive seen alot of it.

Wonda-Boy

Yeah they are (EBC pads) far from disc eaters TBH, had them on my Triumph Sprint for 3 years and no excessive wear and tear on discs......so I call BS on that.

rolliepoley

corkgsxr wrote: »

Bull. Iv a gsxr with 24k miles on original disks that always used ebc hh. Can't see much wear. And it's not rode easy.

It's only this set of went to brembo

Cool for you, you've had good experience with EBC brake pads where as i haven't. what do you think!!! i'm the only one in the internet land that has? they are rubbish, after all they are only an after market product anyway so i would'nt be getting to uppity about them.If it's bull and your having good promise with them, then why even bother changing and going with another brand instead of staying with the brand you have been riding around on the last 24k? Listen your not going to take my word for it so i suggest you take the time out and do some googling on the subject and ya never know you might even save a few bob.
Oh and 24k is very little wear on a set of rotors.

listermint wrote: »

Disk Eaters does appear to be 'Fiat are ****e' pub talk ive seen alot of it.

Thats the first time i ever used that term, it just came into my head as i was typing last night. I have been riding bikes since i was 5 years old and i'm 48 now and i have never heard it before so i wounder who is really doing the sh'te talking considering that you could'nt even bother quoting the person that wrote it. So on that note i'll take myself away from this thread because one is calling bull who cant make his mind up and another has no balls.

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Yeah they are (EBC pads) far from disc eaters TBH, had them on my Triumph Sprint for 3 years and no excessive wear and tear on discs......so I call BS on that.

Why even start a thread if there so good. just stick with them.

:rolleyes:

Some advice.

Not from me.

I spent several years working as an engineer in the friction industry (brakes and transmission parts) and supplied brake pads to several OE's and big name companies (Nascar, Brembo, Ferrari, etc.) And after learning what I did in that industry I will not put anything except for OE brake parts on any of my vehicles unless I was replacing an entire brake system. If you guys saw how the aftermarket parts industry worked then you would only use OE parts on your vehicles as well. The brake system on any vehicle is a highly engineered system and by changing the brake pads you are messing with the original design. The relationship between the brake pad and the brake rotor is a sensitive one which has a huge effect on the brake system's performance.

I'm not saying the EBC pads will not work but there is usually some side effects such as faster rotor wear, more brake dust, or brake noise. And I am pretty confident that they will not function as well as the OE pads. What usually happens with aftermarket brake pads is that the company makes their pads with a slightly more aggressive friction material than needed because they don't actually know the design specifications of the system. So they overcompensate for that with the more agressive friction material which seems to work well to the rider but usually results in faster rotor wear and/or more brake dust and heat and doesn't really perform any better than the stock pads. And if my memory serves me correctly I seem to recall EBC pads had a reputation for wearing out rotors.

listermint

Sorry, just lol.

Most Manufacturers stick their Label over products that are general sale, Their suppliers sell them in many formats 'OE' 'OEM' and then ownbranded BMW are notorious for it sticking their BMW logo on it for when it leaves their factory but its the same part off the shelf with the manufacturers logo on it. They have several 'OE' 'OEM' suppliers for the same part too.

Ive been around vehicles long enough and put enough 'OE' 'OEM' and own branded stuff to have an insight.

Im not saying that paying more doesnt get you quality, but that is not always the case.


Suzuki source their 'OE' stuff from outside they dont make it themselves.


Ebc - ferodo - dunlopad -braking -fren -sbs


Oh and also, aggressive much !?

Wonda-Boy

Calling all anal retentives.....

arybvtcw0eolkf

Mesrine65 wrote: »

Always use these, purchase from ebay.de, can't fault them with the MT.

http://www.goldfrenusa.com/brake-pads-AD.htm

I've just ordered a pair from Ebay this morning, thanks

Wonda-Boy

Let us know initial thoughts Makki.....Id say they are more or less on par with EBC.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Wonda-Boy wrote: »

Let us know initial thoughts Makki.....Id say they are more or less on par with EBC.

No bother.

I expect more or less the same tbh.

I've bought both budget pads and expensive branded pads over the years and honestly I'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between 'em all. And I've certainly never encountered increased rotor wear with sintered pads.

Btw, a set of two cost me €34.26 with free postage to Parcel Motel.

Wonda-Boy

Kamila Handsome Submarine wrote: »

No bother.

I expect more or less the same tbh.

I've bought both budget pads and expensive branded pads over the years and honestly I'd be hard pressed to tell the difference between 'em all. And I've certainly never encountered increased rotor wear with sintered pads.

Btw, a set of two cost me €34.26 with free postage to Parcel Motel.

That is a BIG DIFFERENCE, a set of front EBC cost that on there own.

Hotblack Desiato

EBC HH for my bike is £22 per disc on here: ebcbrakeshop.co.uk

Organic pads £17

I've used OEM (Triumph) and EBC organic and either Dunlopad or Ferodo on this bike, didn't notice any difference between them, but this is organic pads not HH.

I tried Cabone Lorraine sintered pads on a previous bike once and they were fantastic for about 1000miles, after that there was no real difference to organic pads so I went back to them.

Triumph don't make brake pads or oil filters but they'll happily sell you ones someone else made with a massive mark-up. They'll even sell you a 'special formulation' of Mobil1 with a Triumph logo on the bottle at about a 50% mark-up :rolleyes: That said, their prices for actual bike parts (not consumables) aren't cheap but are very reasonable compared to Honda!

arybvtcw0eolkf

Hotblack Desiato wrote: »

EBC HH for my bike is £22 per disc on here: ebcbrakeshop.co.uk

Organic pads £17

I've used OEM (Triumph) and EBC organic and either Dunlopad or Ferodo on this bike, didn't notice any difference between them, but this is organic pads not HH.

I tried Cabone Lorraine sintered pads on a previous bike once and they were fantastic for about 1000miles, after that there was no real difference to organic pads so I went back to them.

Triumph don't make brake pads or oil filters but they'll happily sell you ones someone else made with a massive mark-up. They'll even sell you a 'special formulation' of Mobil1 with a Triumph logo on the bottle at about a 50% mark-up :rolleyes: That said, their prices for actual bike parts (not consumables) aren't cheap but are very reasonable compared to Honda!

Complete away from brake pads, but on the subject of brands.

I had a problem with my fuel pump on Friday (anyone seen and ignored a BMW R1100S broken down on the M50 you're a cocksucker, it was me ).

The fuel pump wasn't priming, I got recovered and priced the part with Joe Duffy Motorrad first (wait for this) ~ €450 without labour.. Thankfully I've pretty decent German so I hit up Ebay.de and could get a spurious pump for €90 including postage!.

My rear shock blew out two weeks ago, for the crack I priced a shock from BMW ~ €1185, yes ONE THOUSAND, ONE HUNDRED & EIGHT FIVE Euro lol.. I got a Hagon for €450 delivered

Oh, a cracked rear brake disc ~ €337 (excluding VAT) from BMW.. From Hongkong ~ €49 to my door :cool: I'd dire warnings from people that it would rust, it would crack, it would actually EXPLODE lol and do all sorts of other evil sh*t ~ that was about 20km ago and its still good as new!.

Although I price branded parts first its only to see what savings I make, but I'd never buy branded if I could help it.

Hotblack Desiato

That BMW disc is a crazy price! I had to replace mine last year, Triumph genuine part was about £150 (not that bad) but I got an EBC one for £94

CJhaughey

Do BMW supply a small tube of lube with those parts?:D
I guess its a problem when BMW are seen as such a lifestyle accessory, thanks to Charlie and co.
Many well heeled BMW owners just pay the OEM price and ride on.

arybvtcw0eolkf

CJhaughey wrote: »

Many well heeled BMW owners just pay the OEM price and ride on.

I'm far from well heeled, but on my occasional visit to Joe Duffys I've certainly met a few.

My biking has always been on a budget, and a fairly tight one at that. I don't think I've ever paid more that €2500 on a bike :pac:

Although my mortage finishes in June, my sons college fee's have finally been cleared leaving only my daughters so I might stretch to €3000 for my next bike :cool:

Oh, my most expensive helmet was €149 which I purchased about six years ago lol

Mesrine65

€850 for a starting motor on a Yamaha MT-01, this is my second one :eek: :mad:

arybvtcw0eolkf

Mesrine65 wrote: »

€850 for a starting motor on a Yamaha MT-01, this is my second one :eek: :mad:

Holy CRAP :eek:

arybvtcw0eolkf

Just an update.

I've installed those brake pads and they went in like a dream, I'll let the forum know how good (or not) they work.

Just a point to note, I've used budget brakes before which due to bad fit have required a little huffing and puffing to get them into the caliper, these fit perfect.

(boards.ie is being buggy and the attachment is showing as a GIF file so just ignore it)

arybvtcw0eolkf

Update.. They're grand

Back to one finger braking, they're quiet. They fit into the caliper perfect, which is not always the case with budget pads (in my experience).

With the winter weather I'm not pushing the bike too hard so I can't comment on brake fade.

But so far for that prices they're the dogs bollox.

arybvtcw0eolkf

Update.. They're grand

Back to one finger braking, they're quiet. They fit into the caliper perfect, which is not always the case with budget pads (in my experience).

With the winter weather I'm not pushing the bike too hard so I can't comment on brake fade.

But so far for that prices they're the dogs bollox.

Richard tea

I ordered a 500g tub of red rubber grease from eBay for about €20 following recommendations from here.

I also ordered a front set of goldfren pads which worked out at €17.23 using parcel motel.

CJhaughey

Richard tea wrote: »

I ordered a 500g tub of red rubber grease from eBay for about €20 following recommendations from here.

I also ordered a front set of goldfren pads which worked out at €17.23 using parcel motel.

You can't go wrong with a tub of that stuff.
Its great for any rubber stuff, keeps it all fresh and good.
500g tub will last you for many moons, car calipers as well..

Richard tea

Can it be applied on the back of the pads and on the retaining pins?

CJhaughey

Richard tea wrote: »

Can it be applied on the back of the pads and on the retaining pins?

No. Rubber grease is for the slider pins inside the rubber boot and internal seals in the caliper, plus the master cylinder seals and boots.
Use it on the piston to lube it as it goes back in to the caliper.

For the Pads and caliper use Mintex Ceratec or Copper grease. Personally after using both the Ceratec is less messy and seems to be less harmful to rubber but I'd still be careful.

Richard tea

CJhaughey wrote: »

No. Rubber grease is for the slider pins inside the rubber boot and internal seals in the caliper, plus the master cylinder seals and boots.
Use it on the piston to lube it as it goes back in to the caliper.

For the Pads and caliper use Mintex Ceratec or Copper grease. Personally after using both the Ceratec is less messy and seems to be less harmful to rubber but I'd still be careful.

Good stuff. I have copper grease but it comes in spray can form. Absolutely no good for getting a neat job done.

Wonda-Boy

Only need to put a smidge of the copper grease where the pads actually meet the prongs of the calipers (depending on bike) not a ton of it all over the pads....

CJhaughey

Ceratec comes in a small tube, you can use a small paintbrush to paint it on for neatness.
maybe 10mm wide and stiff bristled.
Kids paintbrushes work well and you can cut the brush down to fit in a toolbox and use a small plastic bag around the end that is greasy.

Richard tea

Thanks cj. Halfords do a 500g tub of copper grease for about €11. I'll probably just get that if they don't stock ceratec.

CJhaughey

Richard tea wrote: »

Thanks cj. Halfords do a 500g tub of copper grease for about €11. I'll probably just get that if they don't stock ceratec.

Most Motorfactors will have Ceratec. Small red tube.
500g of Coppergrease will last longer than the Rubber grease!

Hotblack Desiato

CJhaughey wrote: »

you can cut the brush down to fit in a toolbox and use a small plastic bag around the end that is greasy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ly79mkffp7M

O_o

Richard tea

Just changed my front brake pads. They were Goldfren as suggested. I got 15,500km out of them. Not bad considering my bike has practically no engine braking. I have installed a set of Saito sinter now so ill see how they preform.