Fiat Tipo launch date

ba_barabus

Does anyone have any info on when the new Tipo will be launching in Ireland?

BMJD

Summer 2016 according to here
http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/fiat-tipo-set-to-dramatically-undercut-its-rivals-1.2469720

bigroad

I didn't even know there was one on the way,They said that they might reintroduce the Croma again.

ba_barabus

BMJD wrote: »

Summer 2016 according to here
http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/motors/fiat-tipo-set-to-dramatically-undercut-its-rivals-1.2469720

I don't know how I missed that article when I googled it. :o

Has anyone seen one in the flesh while on holiday or at a motoring show?

kmb

More info;


http://www.fiat.ie/news/2015/tipo-autobest-2016

JoeA3

1989 sometime I think.

R.O.R

I'm sure FIAT will leave one with us for weeks after they are launched, as there will be nothing else to do with them.

Most likely take the mantle of last demo to be taken, away from the Avensis.

ba_barabus

R.O.R wrote: »

I'm sure FIAT will leave one with us for weeks after they are launched, as there will be nothing else to do with them.

Let me know when they do, and what your impressions are of it. Although given it's seems to be a budget model I'm assuming it's not going to be particularly nice and sufer the usual dismal depreciation.

R.O.R wrote: »

Most likely take the mantle of last demo to be taken, away from the Avensis.

Are they really that unpopular? Talking to a friend of mine who is building them he says the quality is the best they've ever managed. I don't think he is convinced of the BMW engine mind.

colm_mcm

Every fiat ever brought new advances in quality using advanced systems etc etc blah blah.

ba_barabus

colm_mcm wrote: »

Every fiat ever brought new advances in quality using advanced systems etc etc blah blah.

The way things are gone I'm just happy it isn't another 500 spin off

bigroad

Any plans for a Mondeo sized car or bigger.

kerten

I saw it in flesh recently and it is nice to look at but common fiat parts inside put me off a little bit.

It may be a handsome alternative to Renault Fluence but I doubt it can compete with class leaders

ba_barabus

kerten wrote: »

It may be a handsome alternative to Renault Fluence

Is it as big as a Fluence?

colm_mcm

It's about 6 inches shorter than a fluence (lengthwise)

Wheelbase is only 50mm or so less than the fluence, so shorter overhangs.

bazz26

Isn't this going to be more of a Skoda Rapid/Seat Toledo rival?

colm_mcm

I would've thought so. The only way it would be any way interesting is if it was cheap. I'm thinking €14.5k for a diesel with some spec.
Any press stuff I've seen allude to it being a bargain, which won't do it any favours if it's not.

It's a developing markets car, they're never fun.

fancy pigeon

Will there be a DGT trim level?

alias no.9

bazz26 wrote: »

Isn't this going to be more of a Skoda Rapid/Seat Toledo rival?

I'm thinking a Nissan Pulsar rival, full size C sagment but undercutting the rivals (with scrappage funnymoney in the case of the Nissan), it'll be a bit bigger than the Rapid/Toledo which really replace the big boot Fabias and the Cordoba

alias no.9

fancy pigeon wrote: »

Will there be a DGT trim level?

I believe a former poster here established adverse possession on that one

fancy pigeon

alias no.9 wrote: »

I believe a former poster here established adverse possession on that one

That would have been a Tempra DGT not a Tipo

bazz26

alias no.9 wrote: »

I'm thinking a Nissan Pulsar rival, full size C sagment but undercutting the rivals (with scrappage funnymoney in the case of the Nissan), it'll be a bit bigger than the Rapid/Toledo which really replace the big boot Fabias and the Cordoba

Hertz and Avis being their biggest customers so.

kerten

ba_barabus wrote: »

Is it as big as a Fluence?

It isn't as big as Fluence from outside but interior space shouldn't be so different. But Skoda Rapid/Seat Toledo comparison makes more sense I agree.

Fiat Tipo:
Length:4532 mm
Width: 1792 mm
Height: 1497 mm
Boot Space : 520 lt

Renault Fluence:
Length: 4622 mm
Width: 1809 mm
Height: 1479 mm
Boot Space : 530 lt

Terrontress

Ireland loves a smaller saloon. You don't see so many Fluences, Focus saloons or the like in England.

colm_mcm

Small saloons aren't selling anywhere near as many as say, 10 years ago though.

cena

I could see myself buying one. Really like the look.

R.O.R

ba_barabus wrote: »

Let me know when they do, and what your impressions are of it. Although given it's seems to be a budget model I'm assuming it's not going to be particularly nice and sufer the usual dismal depreciation.

Will do.

In the main, the FIAT's & Alfa's we had over the past few years have been decent cars. We've a good few out on contract and not really had major issues. The Chysler Delta's were pretty horrible yokes, but didn't cause issues (expect when booking them in for service and dealers didn't know what they were :pac:)

Had a Jeep Renegade on demo late last year and I quite liked it, but it was the top spec model and over €35,000, so way, way overpriced for the size of it. Solidly built, handled high speed motor way travel well, very spacious inside (tiny boot though), leather, nav, cruise, lane departure etc.

We did just get a 500L in this morning (going on lease) and that's a horrible looking machine that I don't really see the point of. My head was touching the roof in the back, and I'm no giant.

ba_barabus wrote: »

Are they really that unpopular? Talking to a friend of mine who is building them he says the quality is the best they've ever managed. I don't think he is convinced of the BMW engine mind.

We've a 1.6 Avensis Luna on long term. It does exactly what it should do, and the interior is a huge improvement over the pre-facelift model. They are no longer that cheap now, and even when they were (last of the pre-facelift models were really cheap) no one wanted them - from us at least, still selling well in general but our customers just have no appetite for them.

1.6 is underpowered as well. Fine when you get it to a steady motorway speed, and seats are comfy, but acceleration is severly lacking in comparison to 1.6 Passat/Superb/Octavia.

737max

The front page of www.fiat.es is showing a starting price of €9900 for the Tipo.

I could see it being popular with older demographic private buyers, taxi drivers(1.3 diesel) and rental fleets who are already giving Customers Dacia Sanderos when the Customer thought they had hired a VW Polo(or similar).

With good finance deals I could see a lot of people buying them rather than buying a used year or three year old car which has a hidden history.

To be honest I'd probably be happy with one of them; they look very nice.

They are based on a wider version of the platform used in the Punto and Corsa with well proven drive train.

The Skoda Rapid/Seat Toledo are on a narrower Polo platform and are more expensive.

Dacia are making good margins on their product.

These cars will not be built shoddily by work shy, strike happy Italians.

There is a new low cost Punto replacement coming toward the end of the year too.

FIAT are splitting their brand in to the aspirational cars carrying a 500 badge of one description or another and the cheap and cheerful cars like the Panda, Punto and Tipo at lower prices.

I'm convinced that if Dacia had brought the Logan to Ireland they could have sold over a thousand of them each year as it suits Ireland's conservative market.

Lada are also bringing out Vesta and XRAY models which look modern enough although they run on older Lada and Renault running gear and would tap the same market if they can ever justify adaptation to RHD markets.

MarkAnthony

R.O.R wrote: »

We did just get a 500L in this morning (going on lease) and that's a horrible looking machine that I don't really see the point of. My head was touching the roof in the back, and I'm no giant.

It's an insidious little bastard.

I got one while fiat buggered about trying to not fix my fiat 500. Hated it, I mean literally thought I'd just say here, dont worry about it I'll get the bus home. 3 weeks later and I didn't want to give it back and I'm now putting serious thought into buying one.

colm_mcm

Just for comparison, The Seat Toledo starts at €12,600 in spain. (1.2 90PS, boggo spec - Aircon €950 option)

A 500L is €10990 in spain, so I'd expect the Tipo to be priced similarly to the 500L here, which is €17950.

Don't know if there are taxes on top of Spanish RRPs though.

ba_barabus

Cheers ROR, lot of useful info there. I'm toying with the idea of a new car this year for me or my partner so I just happened to be looking around on the web. Not certain what I'll actually do but if it ticks the boxes I'd be interested.

Colm is 17950 actually cheap for something like that? Or wait and see? Pulsar seems to be piss cheap when offers are accounted for and not all that bad.

737 thanks for all that info. Pretty interesting read.

DaveHumphreys

I drove it a few weeks ago and it was better than I had expected. There's plenty of familiar switchgear inside but it all looked and felt pretty well put together in terms of fit and finish. I only got to drive the diesel engine, which is probably still what will appeal to the majority of potential buyers.

We won't be getting the saloon version in Ireland, but we will get a hatchback and estate version that will be launched at the Geneva Motor Show in March. The hatchback does't look as well-rounded a design as the saloon does (it was designed as a saloon originally), but it's not too bad while the estate looks like it will offer decent bootspace.

ba_barabus

Have they confirmed the saloon isn't coming?

colm_mcm

Fiat Ireland have a pic of the saloon with "coming soon" beside it!

ba_barabus

colm_mcm wrote: »

Fiat Ireland have a pic of the saloon with "coming soon" beside it!

That's what I was looking at so surprised to hear it's not since there hasn't been any official word or pictures of the finished hatch

colm_mcm

It could be like a punto rear indicator. Don't take it too seriously.

DaveHumphreys

ba_barabus wrote: »

Have they confirmed the saloon isn't coming?

I've been reliably informed that it won't be. Basically the UK market doesn't want it which means we won't get it.

alias no.9

DaveHumphreys wrote: »

I've been reliably informed that it won't be. Basically the UK market doesn't want it which means we won't get it.

RHD engineering will happen for the hatch anyway and for the saloon for the Indian market.
We've had a raft of saloons sold here in the past that never sold in the UK. The most recent Mitsubishi Lancer sold only as a saloon here and only as a hatch in the UK, the UK hasn't had a Corolla saloon since the Auris launched, I don't think they ever had a Tiida of any kind officially imported, the Astra saloon hasn't darkened their door in more than a decade. That's just off the top of my head, there's probably more.

colm_mcm

To be fair, even if they're free they won't sell as many as Toyota do.

Long Time Lurker

colm_mcm wrote: »

To be fair, even if they're free they won't sell as many as Toyota do.

Well you say that but the humble Carina/Avensis used to be the go to saloon car of choice. These days an Avensis is about as salable as time shares in Damascus. Times are a changing and nowhere more so than here in Ireland. We really are budget or premium or unique. Duster or A4 or Cactus. The middle ground - while still established - is in steep decline.

alias no.9

colm_mcm wrote: »

To be fair, even if they're free they won't sell as many as Toyota do.

I'll counter that with the Lancer, it won't take much to beat their sales figures.

colm_mcm

That was 9 years ago though. And they sold the Lancer saloon in Evo and non Evo form in the uk

bazz26

Lancer was available as a hatchback in the UK too but not here.

colm_mcm

It was no loss to us, they're an awful looking yoke in hatchback.

DaveHumphreys

alias no.9 wrote: »

RHD engineering will happen for the hatch anyway and for the saloon for the Indian market.
We've had a raft of saloons sold here in the past that never sold in the UK. The most recent Mitsubishi Lancer sold only as a saloon here and only as a hatch in the UK, the UK hasn't had a Corolla saloon since the Auris launched, I don't think they ever had a Tiida of any kind officially imported, the Astra saloon hasn't darkened their door in more than a decade. That's just off the top of my head, there's probably more.

Just sharing what I've been told by the people that would know. Pity, as I think the saloon would do quite well here. If anything changes with it I'll let you know.

colm_mcm

The fact that Dacia didn't bother selling the Logan saloon suggests hatchbacks and SUVs are where it's at for budget cars

Marcusm

alias no.9 wrote: »

I'll counter that with the Lancer, it won't take much to beat their sales figures.

But it will have been engineered in RHD for its home market so not really a like for like comparison, likewise for all relevant Japanese stuff!

colm_mcm

The main market for this car is India though isn't it?

Any idea what the ncap is?

alias no.9

Marcusm wrote: »

But it will have been engineered in RHD for its home market so not really a like for like comparison, likewise for all relevant Japanese stuff!

The RHD engineering is done on the Hatch anyway. RHD saloons will be sold in India. RHD is is not a barrier.

ba_barabus

colm_mcm wrote: »

Any idea what the ncap is?

I haven't been able to find any info on that.

I'm probably a bit old fashioned but I love my saloon cars. I don't think the current Corolla is a bad looking car. The engine range is just ****e.

DaveHumphreys

colm_mcm wrote: »

The main market for this car is India though isn't it?

Any idea what the ncap is?

It's going to be sold all over Europe as well as the Middle East and Africa.

It hasn't been through the Euro NCAP test yet, but the folks I spoke to expect it to be a four star car, but as the test gets tougher each year don't be surprised if it isn't a five-star result. It doesn't mean it's unsafe it's just that it gets harder each year. A three-star car in 2015 is almost the same as a five-star car from a few years ago.

Jesus.

DaveHumphreys wrote: »

I've been reliably informed that it won't be. Basically the UK market doesn't want it which means we won't get it.

Ireland is the haven of the small saloon even though the UK don't want them