Cattle Marts buying in Europe

Gilroy

Hi all

Anybody buy cattle at large cattle marts in Europe and import then back to Ireland?

Thinking of Poland as prices to buy are lower. Buying charolais, Limousine etc bull weanlings.

What's the best ones?

CloughCasey1

Gilroy wrote: »

Hi all

Anybody buy cattle at large cattle marts in Europe and import then back to Ireland?

Thinking of Poland as prices to buy are lower. Buying charolais, Limousine etc bull weanlings.

What's the best ones?

Have you priced the cost of getting back here and is there going to be price issues in the factory for you?

Miname

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Have you priced the cost of getting back here and is there going to be price issues in the factory for you?

No there wouldn't Larry is going to give top prices. He must like the beef out there sure he's taking it in himself.

Gilroy

CloughCasey1 wrote: »

Have you priced the cost of getting back here and is there going to be price issues in the factory for you?

No haven't done the prices, really looking to see what are the marts and can cattle be sourced in large numbers.

Gilroy

I'm interested in Marts around Poland, Lithuania. Country's that have a lower €/kg.

_Brian

No offence intended OP but I hope it costs a bloody fortune to ship them over.
The last thing we need is a source of cheap weanlings hitting feed lots here and then being killed and sold on as "Irish beef".

Is it now a case of "if you can't beat them, join them" in further hammering the production of genuine quality Irish beef.

Gilroy

_Brian wrote: »

No offence intended OP but I hope it costs a bloody fortune to ship them over.
The last thing we need is a source of cheap weanlings hitting feed lots here and then being killed and sold on as "Irish beef".

Is it now a case of "if you can't beat them, join them" in further hammering the production of genuine quality Irish beef.

No offence taken because i probably won't do it. It's just interesting to know what's out there. Also if you wanted to start a new blood line herd etc you would know the places to buy.

But at the moment I'm looking to ask this forum has anyone bought weanlings thoughout Europe.

Kovu

golodge was a poster here from Lithuania, I see he hasn't been active for about 12 months though.
Would there not be hassle trying to get them killed? Imported cattle always take a big hit, even in marts. I believe red card animals have to be announced due to the difficulty of getting them killed, think only certain factories take them.

djmc

The only live cattle I have seen imported were for breeding like high quality purebred contanintal animals.
Often brought in as a back load from weanlings from here sent to France or Italy.
I would think transport and ferry costs would make it inviable not even knowing the cost of cattle in that part of the world.
It might be better to sell in country's closer to the source like Germany or Italy as being on an island of Ireland transport is never going to be cheap.

yosemitesam1

Gilroy wrote: »

No offence taken because i probably won't do it. It's just interesting to know what's out there. Also if you wanted to start a new blood line herd etc you would know the places to buy.

But at the moment I'm looking to ask this forum has anyone bought weanlings thoughout Europe.

Got a pallet delivered from Finland recently which was 650, Latvia and Lithuania are further away and unless your filling a boat it'll cost a fortune,

Gilroy

yosemitesam1 wrote: »

Got a pallet delivered from Finland recently which was 650, Latvia and Lithuania are further away and unless your filling a boat it'll cost a fortune,

I wonder what 30 bull weanlings would cost to bring over?

Kevhog1988

Gilroy wrote: »

I wonder what 30 bull weanlings would cost to bring over?

a lad on a backload would take them id say.

Gilroy

theemigrant wrote: »

a lad on a backload would take them id say.

If he did what would the cost be roughly I wonder.

Cassidy2

What factory would kill them.the craziest idea I ever heard.

Gilroy

Cassidy2 wrote: »

What factory would kill them.the craziest idea I ever heard.

I'm not killing them, did you ever hear of selling back at the mart...

Plus I'm only trying to figure out the costs, if the cost are to high then the idea is dead in the water

ABlur

How would these cattle fit into the 'zero moves' planned by Larry in the UK and probably coming here soon once he owns the majority of the killing plants?

Gilroy

ABlur wrote: »

How would these cattle fit into the 'zero moves' planned by Larry in the UK and probably coming here soon once he owns the majority of the killing plants?

I don't plan to deal with Larry. No thanks.

Does anyone know names and addresses of marts they attended in Europe. Maybe they seen some value and if you can share information that would be great.

Cavanjack

We need to import cattle like we need to import rain.

Limestone Cowboy

Do imported cattle not have to be quarantined for a lengthy enough period or am I imagining that?

Panch18

Gilroy wrote: »

I'm not killing them, did you ever hear of selling back at the mart...

Plus I'm only trying to figure out the costs, if the cost are to high then the idea is dead in the water

So lets say you don't kill them but go to the mart

What person in their right mind is going to buy these polish/Latvian/Lituanian/whatever cattle from you?

flutered

could the op intend to supply a butcher(s)

djmc

What guy in his right mind would be going out there with livestock to bring home a back load
Its not your local mart and you can't pack live animals into shipping container's either unless they come in dead and frozen.
At a wild guess I'd think you would pay a lot more than they cost to buy on transport and ferries not to mention the paper work involved.

patsy_mccabe

Someone on here, madforsimmentals I think, has calved down flecveih heifers that came here as imported calves.
We export 80% of our beef, so bringing live animals into this country is just plain madness. The disease risk alone should be enough reason not to bother.

dh1985

patsy_mccabe wrote: »

Someone on here, madforsimmentals I think, has calved down flecveih heifers that came here as imported calves.
We export 80% of our beef, so bringing live animals into this country is just plain madness. The disease risk alone should be enough reason not to bother.

I think it was reggies father in law has them heifers

Carrigogunnell

I see on fb David Clarke livestock imported 70 fleckvich dairy simmental in calf heifers from Austria for some guy in Louth.

Gilroy

Anyone know the price of let's say a 300kg Charolais, Limousine bull weanling in European countries ? Compared to Ireland.

Cavanjack

Gilroy wrote: »

Anyone know the price of let's say a 300kg Charolais, Limousine bull weanling in European countries ? Compared to Ireland.

http://www.bordbia.ie/industry/farmers/pricetracking/cattle/pages/weanlings.aspx

patsy_mccabe

Now for Gilroys next question - how much would it cost to export them.

Hugh 2

Gilroy wrote: »

Hi all

Anybody buy cattle at large cattle marts in Europe and import then back to Ireland?

Thinking of Poland as prices to buy are lower. Buying charolais, Limousine etc bull weanlings.

What's the best ones?

Disease implications would have me alarmed.
Even if you are operating a feed lot and animals never leave shed I would not be a happy neighbour and I certainly would not be a happy with you if they were grazing grass over the ditch from me.

barnaman

https://www.agriland.ie/farming-news/live-cattle-exports-fell-by-25-in-2015-store-cattle-exports-down-50/

Sure ye have all seen. To import cattle need to be looking for a backload to a country we export too and not many of them! Also pretty obvious that countries we export live cattle too are not the ones to be buying cattle in. Sole exception would be France where Diary lads might seek to import large numbers of particular heifers with EBIs they want. That day is probably gone too.

The reality is cheaper on scale to purchase in Eastern Europe etc but lads on that scale also realise cheaper to raise and process them there too and then import the beef. So smart move is buy a farm in Latvia or Poland al la Goodman