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How to get a Facebook closed group taken down

  • 22-12-2015 6:52pm
    #1
    Yorky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭


    There's a Facebook support/discussion group which is actively encouraging group members to conceal the identities of medical doctors operating outside of their profession's rules, mainly based in the US.

    Anyone who suggests this to be inappropriate is criticised and/or has their post removed.

    There is only one administrator who makes no apology for removing posts saying "they" won't accept "back chat".

    Does anyone know how to go about getting the group taken down and whether their activities are in breach of Facebook rules and/or illegal?


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  • #2
    esforum
    Closed Accounts Posts: 1,420 ✭✭✭esforum


    theres a report button, thats it


  • #3
    Firewalkwithme
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,066 ✭✭✭Firewalkwithme


    Yorky wrote: »
    There's a Facebook support/discussion group which is actively encouraging group members to conceal the identities of medical doctors operating outside of their profession's rules, mainly based in the US.

    Anyone who suggests this to be inappropriate is criticised and/or has their post removed.

    There is only one administrator who makes no apology for removing posts saying "they" won't accept "back chat".

    Does anyone know how to go about getting the group taken down and whether their activities are in breach of Facebook rules and/or illegal?

    Have you reported it to Facebook yet?


  • #4
    Fred Swanson
    Closed Accounts Posts: 21,730 ✭✭✭✭Fred Swanson


    This post has been deleted.


  • #5
    Victor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 78,579 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Might this relate to a story in the news this week about a banned doctor who seems to be still practising?
    Yorky wrote: »
    There's a Facebook support/discussion group which is actively encouraging group members to conceal the identities of medical doctors operating outside of their profession's rules, mainly based in the US.
    Conceal or expose?

    I'm not sure how a group working to conceal identities would work.


  • #6
    Yorky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭Yorky


    Update on this: It's a Facebook Closed Group for discussion/help/support for people with a specific condition. The Administrator regularly posts reminders to not mention the names of doctors acting outside of the permitted treatment rules and/or the treatment protocols in case the group is being "monitored" and the doctors are discovered.

    Anyone relaying poor experiences with one of these doctors, or even expressing concern, gets warned / their post removed. If they persist they get removed and blocked from the group.

    For someone who has been removed and blocked, what course of action could be taken to get this group taken down and prevented from reopening under a different name / administrator?


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  • #7
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    What makes you think there's a legal right to name anyone in a closed Facebook group?


  • #8
    Yorky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭Yorky


    Graham wrote: »
    What makes you think there's a legal right to name anyone in a closed Facebook group?

    That isn't what I mean - my concern is the group aiding and abetting medical malpractice


  • #9
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Yorky wrote: »
    That isn't what I mean - my concern is the group aiding and abetting medical malpractice

    That's a bit of a stretch in fairness. Boards don't allow you to post random accusations of law breaking, that doesn't equate to aiding and abetting law breakers.


  • #10
    biko
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,220 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Is group closed to the regular public? If not, can you link it?


  • #11
    Yorky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭Yorky


    Graham wrote: »
    That's a bit of a stretch in fairness. Boards don't allow you to post random accusations of law breaking, that doesn't equate to aiding and abetting law breakers.

    Random accusation..Where in this discussion has the group been named..?


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  • #12
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Yorky wrote: »
    Random accusation..Where in this discussion has the group been named..?

    I didn't suggest it had been named.

    I was using Boards as an example of a site that doesn't allow the naming/accusing of individuals.


  • #13
    Yorky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭Yorky


    Graham wrote: »
    I didn't suggest it had been named.

    I was using Boards as an example of a site that doesn't allow the naming/accusing of individuals.

    Can't see any relevance in your post; it's just a random fact about Boards' rules


  • #14
    Grolschevik
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,472 ✭✭✭Grolschevik


    Yorky wrote: »
    Update on this: It's a Facebook Closed Group for discussion/help/support for people with a specific condition. The Administrator regularly posts reminders to not mention the names of doctors acting outside of the permitted treatment rules and/or the treatment protocols in case the group is being "monitored" and the doctors are discovered.

    Anyone relaying poor experiences with one of these doctors, or even expressing concern, gets warned / their post removed. If they persist they get removed and blocked from the group.

    For someone who has been removed and blocked, what course of action could be taken to get this group taken down and prevented from reopening under a different name / administrator?

    All you can do is report it, escalating to trying to hassle Facebook directly.


  • #15
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Yorky wrote: »
    Can't see any relevance in your post; it's just a random fact about Boards' rules

    Not unlike the random fact regarding the Facebook group you mentioned which from the sound of it implements a similar policy.


  • #16
    intheclouds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,175 ✭✭✭intheclouds


    Yorky wrote: »
    That isn't what I mean - my concern is the group aiding and abetting medical malpractice

    How do you know they are aiding and abetting medical malpractice? Are you either a doctor or a lawyer?

    What possible relevance is it to you what people want to discuss on a closed Facebook Group?

    Sounds like you are trying to force your own morals onto other people.

    Is it an abortion procurement group or something that you feel the burning need to shut it down?


  • #17
    January
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,862 ✭✭✭✭January


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057587312


  • #18
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    January wrote: »
    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057587312

    Now it becomes clearer.

    So if I'm understanding this correctly, the gist of the problem appears to be that this particular Facebook group won't entertain members posting potentially defamatory accusations. For that reason the group must be "aiding and abetting medical malpractice", must therefore be illegal and so should be closed down.


  • #19
    Cleveland Hot Pocket
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,193 ✭✭✭Cleveland Hot Pocket


    It's a closed group.
    Which I assume you are no longer a member of.

    Unless it's a terrorist group or something, what's the issue?


  • #20
    Yorky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭Yorky


    intheclouds wrote: »
    How do you know they are aiding and abetting medical malpractice? Are you either a doctor or a lawyer?

    They are prescribing drug protocols which no other doctor will due to there being no medical justification for doing so.

    I'm neither profession and don't need to be.
    intheclouds wrote: »
    What possible relevance is it to you what people want to discuss on a closed Facebook Group?

    Do you disclose full personal details of your reason for a post on an anonymous forum?
    intheclouds wrote: »
    Sounds like you are trying to force your own morals onto other people.

    What?
    intheclouds wrote: »
    Is it an abortion procurement group or something that you feel the burning need to shut it down?

    Eh...no. It's jeopardising peoples' health - perhaps not much of a 'burning need' for you


  • #21
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Yorky wrote: »
    They are prescribing drug protocols which no other doctor will due to there being no medical justification for doing so.

    I'm neither profession and don't need to be.

    Do you disclose full personal details of your reason for a post on an anonymous forum?

    What?



    Eh...no. It's jeopardising peoples' health - perhaps not much of a 'burning need' for you

    and for some reason you think that this is a matter that's best dealt with through social media rather than the appropriate professional channels?


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  • #22
    intheclouds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,175 ✭✭✭intheclouds


    Yorky wrote: »
    They are prescribing drug protocols which no other doctor will due to there being no medical justification for doing so.

    Again, are you a doctor? No? Well then how do you know there is no medical justification?

    Given that you quoted a 50-60% success rate that kinda contradicts the "no medical justification" doesnt it?
    Yorky wrote: »
    I'm neither profession and don't need to be.

    Well if youre not a doctor then you cant possibly know if the medical aspect of it is unjustifiable and if you are not a lawyer you cant know if its medical malpractice.
    Yorky wrote: »
    Do you disclose full personal details of your reason for a post on an anonymous forum?

    Who asked you to disclose full personal details?

    I asked you what the relevance of it was to you?
    Yorky wrote: »
    Eh...no. It's jeopardising peoples' health - perhaps not much of a 'burning need' for you


    Is it jeopardising your health?

    If youve got bee in your bonnet about health being jeopardised then maybe you could start an anti smoking campaign? Its terrible for peoples health yet its legal and people choose to do it all by themselves.


  • #23
    Yorky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭Yorky


    intheclouds wrote: »
    Again, are you a doctor? No? Well then how do you know there is no medical justification?

    Given that you quoted a 50-60% success rate that kinda contradicts the "no medical justification" doesnt it?

    Because no other doctor will follow this protocol due to it contravening the rules.

    The success rate is anecdote and not evidence-based


    intheclouds wrote: »
    Well if youre not a doctor then you cant possibly know if the medical aspect of it is unjustifiable and if you are not a lawyer you cant know if its medical malpractice.

    See above


    intheclouds wrote: »
    Who asked you to disclose full personal details?

    I asked you what the relevance of it was to you?

    Any more details could lead to the identity of the person concerned. Ireland's a small place.



    intheclouds wrote: »
    Is it jeopardising your health?

    If youve got bee in your bonnet about health being jeopardised then maybe you could start an anti smoking campaign? Its terrible for peoples health yet its legal and people choose to do it all by themselves.

    Provided you're alright and not a chronically unwell and inherently vulnerable patient then screw those who are.Interesting perspective.


  • #24
    intheclouds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,175 ✭✭✭intheclouds


    Yorky wrote: »
    Because no other doctor will follow this protocol due to it contravening the rules.

    The success rate is anecdote and not evidence-based

    See above

    Any more details could lead to the identity of the person concerned. Ireland's a small place.

    Provided you're alright and not a chronically unwell and inherently vulnerable patient then screw those who are.Interesting perspective.

    Yorky - you are acting like people are being forced to undergo this treatment.

    Its a choice.


  • #25
    Yorky
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,485 ✭✭✭Yorky


    intheclouds wrote: »
    Yorky - you are acting like people are being forced to undergo this treatment.

    Its a choice.

    A choice...You obviously have no appreciation of what it's like to be chronically unwell.


  • #26
    Graham
    Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 17,643 Mod ✭✭✭✭Graham


    Yorky wrote: »
    A choice...You obviously have no appreciation of what it's like to be chronically unwell.

    And a couple of Facebook posts are going to make things all better??

    There are channels specifically for making complaints against members of the medical profession. Those channels are not Facebook/Boards.

    If you have an issue with a doctors treatment of patients make an official complaint to the medical council: https://www.medicalcouncil.ie/Public-Information/Making-a-Complaint-/


  • #27
    intheclouds
    Closed Accounts Posts: 3,175 ✭✭✭intheclouds


    Yorky wrote: »
    A choice...You obviously have no appreciation of what it's like to be chronically unwell.

    Ha! Chronically unwell AND unable to find a doctor to help - yes, I do have many painful years experience in that area unfortunately.

    But Im still not understanding why you want to shut down a Facebook group of people who seem happy enough to discuss the treatment.

    It seems a bit "I dont like it so they cant have it"?

    Is your problem with the fact that the doctor is unpleasant?

    Or is it that you disagree with his methods?

    Im just not understanding what relevance any of it is to you?


  • #28
    Blinder
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 243 ✭✭Blinder


    Yorky wrote: »
    A choice...You obviously have no appreciation of what it's like to be chronically unwell.

    I do. And if I had the choice between no treatment and a treatment that might/might not help me, I'd be pissed off that some one on the internet decided that it was wrong for me to have that choice!


  • #29
    ForstalDave
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 612 ✭✭✭ForstalDave


    Yorky wrote: »
    A choice...You obviously have no appreciation of what it's like to be chronically unwell.

    Why dont they go to another doctor? is the doctor who said they wouldn't presricbe this a doctor who is familiar enough with this treatment? You do know that the medical profession is extremly regulated and medicine needs to pass extensive testing and regulation both in the US and Europe before it is allowed to be sold.


  • #30
    njs030
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭njs030


    Yorky wrote: »
    A choice...You obviously have no appreciation of what it's like to be chronically unwell.

    A lot of medication is used for purposes other than its "main" usage. For example-
    Phenergan is an anti-histamine but also used to help people sleep.
    Beta blockers are used as a migraine preventer.

    Lots of chronically ill patients try medication that is borderline experimental simply because they don't went to be chronically ill any more!! A doctor sympathetic to that is worth their weight in gold....if you don't like it don't be involved!


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  • #31
    Carawaystick
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    If the group is based outside of north america, then the high court here might be yer man, line up behind the president of Djibouti.


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