Aldi cordless drills

amandstu

It is a Workzone 16V lithium -ion rechargeable battery.

My first go at one of these and I have tried to drill a hole in the chimney foe the purposes of attaching a satellite dish.

It seems like it is not up to the job as the drills just make a small entry hole and it feels like I could continue this for up to an hour without making a good hole.

I used an ancient corded drill in the distant past (for the same job) and it may have been a little better -but not much either .

Do I just have to accept that these jobs cannot be done ? Is cement just too hard for any drill?

peter bermingham

SDS drill is the way to go for concrete or a good hammer action with a good masonry bit. That Aldi stuff i have no faith in it at all. If you looking for a good SDS drill these are not to bad http://www.mcquillantools.ie/sds-hammer-drills-1/ . You can get a chuck for them so it can be used as an normal drill as well

amandstu

Thanks . They are a little bit more expensive (no doubt deservedly so).

It seems to be the hammer action I am missing (I have never used a hammer drill) .

aido79

amandstu wrote: »

Thanks . They are a little bit more expensive (no doubt deservedly so).

It seems to be the hammer action I am missing (I have never used a hammer drill) .

I'd be really impressed if you could drill a hole in cement without hammer action...do you know the difference between masonary drill bits and drill bits that are designed for wood /metal?

mickdw

Wasting your time trying to drill a block wall without the hammer action.
A good hammer drill will fly into the wall. sds is certainly the only job also. That gives a quick release setup but no messing with bit sticking in wall or slipping etc.

No need to go big money either.
I took a chance on a drill from argos. Its a large corded, sds with kango action also. I paid 47 quid 10 years ago and it has built 2 houses since and no bother apart from a new lead.

Kristopherus

peter bermingham wrote: »

SDS drill is the way to go for concrete or a good hammer action with a good masonry bit. That Aldi stuff i have no faith in it at all. If you looking for a good SDS drill these are not to bad http://www.mcquillantools.ie/sds-hammer-drills-1/ . You can get a chuck for them so it can be used as an normal drill as well

Thats like getting a sledgehammer to kill a fly. A good masonry drill bit with a full charge will do the job for the OP. I've gone through a concrete block no bother with a similar drill (Lidl).

OP, the chimney should be the last place you would put a satellite dish. The Sky installers are precluded from doing it for a reason. Have you any south-facing wall?

peter bermingham

Kristopherus wrote: »

Thats like getting a sledgehammer to kill a fly. A good masonry drill bit with a full charge will do the job for the OP. I've gone through a concrete block no bother with a similar drill (Lidl).

OP, the chimney should be the last place you would put a satellite dish. The Sky installers are precluded from doing it for a reason. Have you any south-facing wall?

You keep drilling concrete with your cordless and see how long it lasts

amandstu

Kristopherus wrote: »

Thats like getting a sledgehammer to kill a fly. A good masonry drill bit with a full charge will do the job for the OP. I've gone through a concrete block no bother with a similar drill (Lidl).

OP, the chimney should be the last place you would put a satellite dish. The Sky installers are precluded from doing it for a reason. Have you any south-facing wall?

Thanks ,yes I do but the chimney suits me better as I am used to it there now.

I did ask the hardware store if there were different masonry drill bits and he said they were all the same.


EDIT : Yes do know there is a difference between wood drill bits and masonry bits but the box the drill came in already had a set of bits included but doesn't say what kind.

So I have gone out and bought an extra individual masonry bit just in case (yet to try it)

dodzy

Kristopherus wrote: »

OP, the chimney should be the last place you would put a satellite dish. The Sky installers are precluded from doing it for a reason. Have you any south-facing wall?

There are '000s of sky dishes scattered the length and breadth of the country, for many years, without issue.

lgk

Kristopherus wrote: »

Thats like getting a sledgehammer to kill a fly. A good masonry drill bit with a full charge will do the job for the OP. I've gone through a concrete block no bother with a similar drill (Lidl).

OP, the chimney should be the last place you would put a satellite dish. The Sky installers are precluded from doing it for a reason. Have you any south-facing wall?

One of those reasons is it is illegal to have a dish above the roof line of a property without planning permission (which will very likely be refused for a chimney attachment). Another is that you significantly increase the risk of cracks developing in the chimney due to expansion/contraction issues.

cletus

amandstu wrote: »

Thanks ,yes I do but the chimney suits me better as I am used to it there now.

I did ask the hardware store if there were different masonry drill bits and he said they were all the same.


EDIT : Yes do know there is a difference between wood drill bits and masonry bits but the box the drill came in already had a set of bits included but doesn't say what kind.

So I have gone out and bought an extra individual masonry bit just in case (yet to try it)

Its not enough to just have masonry bits. Your drill must also have a hammer action setting

amandstu

Thanks, cletus .I should have been less impulsive when I bought the drill (live and earn)

colm_mcm

What fixings were you going to use? What size was the drill bit?

amandstu

No I have the old satellite dish more or less in place. I just had to replace the actual dish . It was just some of the pre existing main 4 bolts had sheared and I was attempting to redrill the holes prior to screwing in one or two new bolts.

If the worst comes to the worst I will even hammer in a masonry nail if I can extemporize a washer to make the head a little bigger.
Or just move the whole thing a foot to the side with 4 new holes.

As the drill was making such hard work of the hole it was supposed to be making , I started again with a very small drill (the idea being the follow up with a slightly larger size drill) and snapped it inside.

I don't even know if the tiny drill was a masonry one or a wood one but being so small that might be academic

Ronan|Raven

I do not understand why people drill into Chimneys for putting up a satellite dish. Use a lashing kit if you really want to put it on the chimney.

John T Carroll

amandstu wrote: »

Thanks, cletus .I should have been less impulsive when I bought the drill (live and earn)

A masonry drill bit is a must, hammer action or not. I have a (non hammer action) Stanley Bridges Drill and I have drilled literally dozens of holes with it over the last 40 years, I start off with a 5MM drill and then size upwards, as concrete hardness can vary a lot I sometimes use a hilti nail to get a start in a partially drilled hole, it can take a bit of time but you can certainly get there without a hammer action drill. Before that I used and still have it, a wonderful bit of equipment which needed/needs neither mains or battery power to drive it, its a true hammer action "drill".

amandstu

John T Carroll wrote: »

A masonry drill bit is a must, hammer action or not. I have a (non hammer action) Stanley Bridges Drill and I have drilled literally dozens of holes with it over the last 40 years, I start off with a 5MM drill and then size upwards, as concrete hardness can vary a lot I sometimes use a hilti nail to get a start in a partially drilled hole, it can take a bit of time but you can certainly get there without a hammer action drill. Before that I used and still have it, a wonderful bit of equipment which needed/needs neither mains or battery power to drive it, its a true hammer action "drill".

Oh thanks for that. Yes I have seen them but never thought of getting one till now.

colm_mcm

Corded hammer drills are dirt cheap and are effective.

John T Carroll

colm_mcm wrote: »

Corded hammer drills are dirt cheap and are effective.

Yes, of course, one would normally buy a drill with hammer action today but they were not too thick on the ground almost 50 years ago and for the occasional masonry drilling one can get by without them.

colm_mcm

You'd have probably gotten them drilled in less than 40 years if you had one

John T Carroll

colm_mcm wrote: »

You'd have probably gotten them drilled in less than 40 years if you had one

The hammer action obviously makes life much easier but I wouldnt go off and buy a hammer action Drill just to drill a few masonry holes every year, I always use a branded bit like rawlplug or the like and squirt a drop of oil on the bit now and then and clean off the flutes frequently.

cletus

http://www.lidl.ie/en/Offers.htm?action=showDetail&id=34607

Corded hammer action drill in Lidl 31st December, €19.99.

Even for a few holes a year this is probably worth it for the op.

amandstu

thanks again cletus

that is giving it away.

Calahonda52

cletus wrote: »

http://www.lidl.ie/en/Offers.htm?action=showDetail&id=34607

Corded hammer action drill in Lidl 31st December, €19.99.

Even for a few holes a year this is probably worth it for the op.

not SDS and keyless chuck, both make its use as hammer drill pretty useless

cletus

Calahonda52 wrote: »

not SDS and keyless chuck, both make its use as hammer drill pretty useless

I've used the same drill multiple times.

Will it drill 10mm holes in precast concrete on a daily basis? No

Will it drill a couple of 6mm holes in a 4" concrete block. Of course

TBH, I think its both ridiculous and off putting to recommend that somebody drop €300 on as professional/semi pro piece of equipment, when the OP is, without being insulting, at the very earliest stages of diy

colm_mcm

Calahonda52 wrote: »

not SDS and keyless chuck, both make its use as hammer drill pretty useless

SDS is better obviously, but a non SDS drill is hardly useless, it was the norm for years. I've never had any bother drilling into masonry with them. For what the OP wants its a no-brainer.

Kristopherus

peter bermingham wrote: »

You keep drilling concrete with your cordless and see how long it lasts

4 yrs & counting:)

wiz569

John T Carroll wrote: »

Before that I used and still have it, a wonderful bit of equipment which needed/needs neither mains or battery power to drive it, its a true hammer action "drill".

Jeez I must be really old,I remember using one of them years ago when I had no access to power and there was no cordless drills then either lol

amandstu

I am not familiar with this SDS term . I did try and google it but it is not immediately obvious . Could someone perhaps tell me what it means?

Yes I might well get that cheap corded drill from Lidl , SDS or not.

wiz569

amandstu wrote: »

I am not familiar with this SDS term . I did try and google it but it is not immediately obvious . Could someone perhaps tell me what it means?

Yes I might well get that cheap corded drill from Lidl , SDS or not.

http://www.technologystudent.com/pwtol/drill4.htm

amandstu

wiz569 wrote: »

http://www.technologystudent.com/pwtol/drill4.htm

Thanks , I appreciate that .

cletus

amandstu wrote: »

I am not familiar with this SDS term . I did try and google it but it is not immediately obvious . Could someone perhaps tell me what it means?

Yes I might well get that cheap corded drill from Lidl , SDS or not.

Honestly, that drill I linked to will be more than adequate for whatever concrete drilling you need to do around your house

amandstu

cletus wrote: »

Honestly, that drill I linked to will be more than adequate for whatever concrete drilling you need to do around your house

I am chuffed it is such a good price.

John T Carroll

amandstu wrote: »

I am chuffed it is such a good price.

You certainly wont go wrong there Amandstu, another little tip/info which you may find useful sometime..........push in type (Rawl) Plugs are almost universally used now and are very convenient as they come in packets with the required drill size indicated but you will meet some situations where these are either too long (unusual) or too short which often happens ie where you want to fit a bracket or whatever to a plastered wall which is "so plastered" that the push in type plug is too short to reach the concrete. You can buy plug "sticks", these are around 300 MM long and come in various diameters /colours, Blue/Green/Red/White, I find that the green ones meet most of my requirements, these are around 7.5MM dia. and require a 6.5MM masory drill, you can just cut them to the required lenght with a Stanley knife or a junior hacksaw.
A Happy and Healthy Christmas and New Year to you and all on the Boards.

colm_mcm

For something like a sat dish, a rawl bolt would be much better

amandstu

colm_mcm wrote: »

For something like a sat dish, a rawl bolt would be much better

thanks.

John T Carroll

colm_mcm wrote: »

SDS is better obviously, but a non SDS drill is hardly useless, it was the norm for years. I've never had any bother drilling into masonry with them. For what the OP wants its a no-brainer.

Bought the €20 Parkside 500W,7.5NM Torque one in Lidl on Thursday but I'm not starting work until Monday... now if only I could find somewhere to hang a few brackets.

cornholiooo

A chimney built with '4" block on flat' is not gonna have its integrity compromised by your average dish if you keep it away from the corners. Not by drillin 4 x 12mm or 16mm holes.
Brick would be a different story but theres no brick houses anywhere here.
Dish on chimney definitely last resort though

John T Carroll

cornholiooo wrote: »

A chimney built with '4" block on flat' is not gonna have its integrity compromised by your average dish if you keep it away from the corners. Not by drillin 4 x 12mm or 16mm holes.
Brick would be a different story but theres no brick houses anywhere here.
Dish on chimney definitely last resort though

Years ago nearly all TV Aerials were attached to the chimney by a lashing kit.
My perforated dish is attached to a wall with 8MM coach bolts. I recently replaced a relatives solid dish with a perforated one and the dish was completely wrinkled with the pole slightly twisted but the actual bracket and coach bolts were as good as new and I was able to reuse two of them for the new bracket.