late night working under 18

scheister

Not sure if legal or work & employment is place for this post

I'm in the process of writing a blog for work in relation to rules for employment of young people under 18.
I have come across something on the legal side that has me confused as it is not what i thought it was.

If someone is 16 or 17 they can only work till 10 at night. But there can be regulations that can alter this. Pubs have one sure one. From reading the regulation it appears that if 16 or 17 you can only work till 10 on a school night but only till 11 on a non school night.
But surely going by that every pub in the country thats has 16/17 year old working till close as lounge staff are breaking the law or am i missing something

thanks

hullaballoo

This is purely anecdotal but well-run pubs will have ceased employing such young wait staff when these regulations were introduced some time ago. Otherwise, they might employ 16/17-year-olds but their shift will finish in line with the regulations.

That said, we all know a good few pubs who have a relaxed attitude to their legal obligations under the licensing acts as well as the employment corpus. That's the reality of part-time employment here but I believe it is on its way out because of better awareness of employee's rights as well as better enforcement.

Ken.

They could be finished their education. Junior cert and out. Also I think there is some rule about a family member working in a family business is exempt.

Also just found this. http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/starting_work_and_changing_job/young_people_at_work/hours_of_work_for_young_people.html

The Protection of Young Persons Act 1996 (Employment in Licensed Premises) Regulations 2001 (SI 350/2001) permits young people employed on general duties in a licensed premises to be required to work up to 11 pm on a day that does not immediately precede a school day during a school term where the young person is attending school. The Regulations state that the definition of general duties “does not include supplying intoxicating liquor from behind the bar counter in licensed premises or supplying it for consumption off those premises”.

scheister

ken wrote: »

They could be finished their education. Junior cert and out. Also I think there is some rule about a family member working in a family business is exempt.

Also just found this. http://www.citizensinformation.ie/en/employment/starting_work_and_changing_job/young_people_at_work/hours_of_work_for_young_people.html

The Protection of Young Persons Act 1996 (Employment in Licensed Premises) Regulations 2001 (SI 350/2001) permits young people employed on general duties in a licensed premises to be required to work up to 11 pm on a day that does not immediately precede a school day during a school term where the young person is attending school. The Regulations state that the definition of general duties “does not include supplying intoxicating liquor from behind the bar counter in licensed premises or supplying it for consumption off those premises”.

thanks Ken that's what i was looking at as well before seeing that i would not have realised their was a ending time on a non school night. Generally i simple think back to working in hotels and golf clubs till as late as 4 in the morning and i know i was not alone in that as alot of my friends in school were the same.

goz83

Things were certainly more relaxed a few years ago. At 15 (and im 32 now) I was a lounge boy for a couple of months and regularly worked til about 1am both on the floor and behind the bar serving drinks.

I also worked as a general op when i was 16. A couple of regs were broken when I started a 3pm-11pm shift on a school night and was asked to cover the night shift by the oncoming shift manager. So I worked right through to 7am the next morning. Obviously I missed school, being exhausted from a long shift. I was due to start a 5pm-11pm that day (to allow for school) and when I got in, I was called into the office about working (a) more than x amount of hours in one day and (b) working a night shift. I wasn't in any trouble myself, but the shift manager (who i disliked anyway) got a right bollicking. The general manager knew that at 16, I wouldn't have refused the double pay for the night shift