God saves crazy lady

eviltimeban

Former Miss Ireland claims her cancer was cured 'through the power of prayer':

http://www.independent.ie/life/health-wellbeing/former-miss-ireland-claims-her-cancer-was-cured-through-the-power-of-prayer-34276007.html

They should really get God to do more of this kind of thing instead of making clouds or whatever else he does.

smash

"Those who know me know me to be an intelligent and sensible person."

Reading that article could have fooled me. She's deluded!

seamus

So she got treated at hospital, but believes that treatment wasn't enough on it's own, and it's the prayer that saved her.

So either she believes that she should have stayed at home and prayed, or that prayer alone isn't enough and "god" needed a helping hand from the doctors and it was only the two in combination that saved her.

It's newspapers printing this kind of delusional drivel that causes people to go off seeking homeopathy and other such snake oil nonsense.

valoren

During prayer, when the hand of a Christian faith healer was laid on my head, I could feel my fingertips and legs and toes tingle with pins and needles

At least give the credit for curing the leukemia where it is due.

murpho999

I don't get why people don't think why their God didn't prevent this in the first place.
Same with the Paris attacks and the "Pray for Paris" tweets and posts. Surely if God existed he would have stopped it happening, what good can this God do after?

The Backwards Man

I'd have no problem with her believing that God cured her, she's free to believe whatever she wants to believe, as are we all. It's other people believing that God cured her that's dangerous.

topper75

I understand the skepticism.

What I don't share with you guys is the need for this lady to believe what I believe.

Let that go and liberate yourself of torment and anguish.

uck51js9zml2yt

"murpho999 wrote: »

Surely if God existed he would have stopped it happening, what good can this God do after?

That's to prevent mans use of free will.

Would you like being stopped doing whatever you want to do? You'd probably be the very one complaining if He did that to you.

Nollog

That's one way to get your biography published I guess.

eviltimeban

Lamar Fierce Wheat wrote: »

That's to prevent mans use of free will.

Would you like being stopped doing whatever you want to do? You'd probably be the very one complaining if He did that to you.

Yes because "free will" causes cancer. I'm glad I have the free will to choose to get cancer whenever I want.

faceman

At least it's not as bad as when people start throwing Karma around as if it's a force of revenge and justice.

"Can't believe that guy crashed into my car and drove off! Hope karma bites him in the ass"

"Well what did you do that Karma made crash into you in the first place?"

mfceiling

Fair play to god for taking time out of his busy schedule to cure this girl. Probably is a nice change from giving African kids aids.

eviltimeban

faceman wrote: »

"Hope karma bites him in the ass"

You'd really need a vindaloo or a madras for that.

murpho999

Lamar Fierce Wheat wrote: »

That's to prevent mans use of free will.

Would you like being stopped doing whatever you want to do? You'd probably be the very one complaining if He did that to you.

Disease, famines, natural disasters etc are not caused by free will.

With my own free will I have decided long ago he doesn't exist and is in the same place as Santa and the Tooth Fairy, so he won't' do anything to me.

stunmer

Tim Minchin covers this perfectly

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZeWPScnolo

MonkeyTennis

topper75 wrote: »

I understand the skepticism.

What I don't share with you guys is the need for this lady to believe what I believe.

Let that go and liberate yourself of torment and anguish.

I like a bit of anguish.

smash

MonkeyTennis wrote: »

I like a bit of anguish.

And you usually have to pay for the torment!

Kev W

Must remember this next time I have a doctor's bill.

"Nah mate, it was God that fixed me up. I don't owe you anything."

Duggy747

All those cancer victims who lost their battle just didn't pray hard enough...

seamus

topper75 wrote: »

I understand the skepticism.

What I don't share with you guys is the need for this lady to believe what I believe.

Let that go and liberate yourself of torment and anguish.

The point is nothing to do with wanting her to believe anything.

It's that if a business leader came out and declared that his business success was not down to his employees, but rather his weekly ritual goat sacrifice to Cthulhu, then he'd be in the papers only so everyone could laugh at him.

But somehow when it comes to this stuff it's fawning over, "Oh look how religious she is, isn't she so great and strong?". No, she's a fruitcake, and we shouldn't be glorifying fruitcakery.

wakka12

Whatever makes her happy, sure leave her at it

topper75

seamus wrote: »

The point is nothing to do with wanting her to believe anything.

It's that if a business leader came out and declared that his business success was not down to his employees, but rather his weekly ritual goat sacrifice to Cthulhu, then he'd be in the papers only so everyone could laugh at him.

But somehow when it comes to this stuff it's fawning over, "Oh look how religious she is, isn't she so great and strong?". No, she's a fruitcake, and we shouldn't be glorifying fruitcakery.

Sure it is nothing to do with an egoistic "world would be better if they believed what I believe" take on the story?

Let it go.

imitation

Surely we arent so bad now that anybody who displays religious faith (especially in a horribly stressful life or death situation) has to be insulted, derided and mocked ?

smash

imitation wrote: »

Surely we arent so bad now that anybody who displays religious faith (especially in a horribly stressful life or death situation) has to be insulted, derided and mocked ?

There's a huge difference between saying "Praying helped me get through the mental stress of cancer" and "Praying cured my cancer"

eviltimeban

Duggy747 wrote: »

All those cancer victims who lost their battle just didn't pray hard enough...

Or just prayed to the wrong god!

MRnotlob606

Here comes the Atheists.

henryporter

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Here comes the Atheists.

Followed closely by the clowns who believe that some figment of their imagination can cure life threatening illnesses at the drop of a hat...

smash

Why do I get the feeling that every time a story about a crazy religious view gets brought up, all the posters from the Christianity forum are texting each other sometime like "Did you see what's on AH? You better get in here quick, I need back up! May the lord be with you..."?

eviltimeban

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Here comes the Atheists.

Somehow I don't think your average believer believes THAT.

RobbieTheRobber

henryporter wrote: »

Followed closely by the clowns who believe that some figment of their imagination can cure life threatening illnesses at the drop of a hat...

It wasn't the drop of a hat that would be silly.
No it was when a faith healer laid hands on her.

eviltimeban

smash wrote: »

There's a huge difference between saying "Praying helped me get through the mental stress of cancer" and "Praying cured my cancer"

AND the fact that the Indo have this in the "health and wellbeing" section of the "paper", not in the "pseudo-cults and flights of fancy" section.

Christy42

topper75 wrote: »

I understand the skepticism.

What I don't share with you guys is the need for this lady to believe what I believe.

Let that go and liberate yourself of torment and anguish.

And if people believe her and decide to do some praying instead of going to a doctor? Or worse decide to pray instead of bringing their kids to a doctor?

There have already been court cases over parents essentially letting their children die in the states. I would rather they weren't needed here.

The Backwards Man

henryporter wrote: »

Followed closely by the clowns who believe that some figment of their imagination can cure life threatening illnesses at the drop of a hat...

They're two cheeks of the same arse anyway, they always travel together.

smash

Christy42 wrote: »

There have already been court cases over parents essentially letting their children die in the states. I would rather they weren't needed here.

It's not just in the states. I know of an Irish child who died as a result of not being given medicine and correct treatment because his parents said God would cure him.

Huntergonzo

Well after struggling my way through that awful tripe I can only come to 2 conclusions, either she's a complete idiot (forgivable) or she has a vested interest in promoting religion over medicine (unforgivable).

Now I can understand a 10 year old believing that prayer helped cure them of cancer (completely unaware of the fact that if they believe in creation then this supposed great God also created the cancer they have and allowed them to suffer it as a child) but a 25 year old? no, something is wrong there.

If you really believe that God is going to cure your cancer then why get chemotherapy at all?, why not just stay at home and pray?.......I can answer my own question there = you don't really believe it, you know if you stay at home you're screwed!

smash

Huntergonzo wrote: »

Well after struggling my way through that awful tripe I can only come to 2 conclusions, either she's a complete idiot (forgivable) or she has a vested interest in promoting religion over medicine (unforgivable).

And this leads us to the main question... Should the Independent be promoting the views of either an idiot, or of someone who promotes religion over medicine?

OldGoat

God is a placebo. If it works and it got someone past cancer and I'm happy for them just please don't mistakenly think that placebos works for everyone.

Junkyard Tom

smash wrote: »

I know of an Irish child who died as a result of not being given medicine and correct treatment because his parents said God would cure him.

God wanted that child at his side obviously.

NachoBusiness

imitation wrote: »

Surely we arent so bad now that anybody who displays religious faith (especially in a horribly stressful life or death situation) has to be insulted, derided and mocked ?

Science is the new religion and woe betide anyone that does not worship at it's alter.

May the bunsen burner be with you.

osarusan

I wonder how she'd have responded if the doctor had said they'd pray for her instead of treating her.

LorMal

Huge level of cynicism on here. Religious person believes in God intervention shocker! How dare she!!

Christy42

smash wrote: »

It's not just in the states. I know of an Irish child who died as a result of not being given medicine and correct treatment because his parents said God would cure him.

Didn't know that. That made my day worse. The parents deserve prison.

Knasher

imitation wrote: »

Surely we arent so bad now that anybody who displays religious faith (especially in a horribly stressful life or death situation) has to be insulted, derided and mocked ?

She is going quite a bit further than just displaying religious faith, she is explicitly promoting the idea of faith healing. Anyone who promotes an ineffective alternative to actual medicine, is doing measurable harm to desperate sick people, who might decide to rely on the ineffective alternative rather than the actual medicine. That happens all the time, and people die because of it.

People who do this shouldn't be allowed a platform to spout their harmful nonsense without opposition, just because it happens to have a religious starting point.

KungPao

It must piss off the medical pros. Working their asses off through college, then working their asses off with a patient - researching, testing, lab work etc, then woooo, cancer is gone! Then idiot patient turns around and thanks God for his hard work.

But maybe she's on to something...I think I'll tell the missus to forget about waiting for her gall bladder surgery, fck that, just have an aul pray and hey presto!

murpho999

MRnotlob606 wrote: »

Here comes the Atheists.

Its strange how logic following atheists are mocked by people who believe in a magical figure who exists in the sky .

Peregrine

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Terrlock

The power of prayer is truly an amazing gift.

She is a brave women coming forward in these days to testify about her faith.

I pray that through this article that more people will come to know and trust in the Lord.

PopePalpatine

Terrlock wrote: »

The power of prayer is truly an amazing gift.

She is a brave women coming forward in these days to testify about her faith.

I pray that through this article that more people will come to know and trust in the Lord.

I really hope you don't have any children. They deserve better than a drawn-out death because their parents believe in homeopathy over medicine.

Huntergonzo

smash wrote: »

And this leads us to the main question... Should the Independent be promoting the views of either an idiot, or of someone who promotes religion over medicine?

Well in fairness the independent (and all newspapers) regularly promotes the views of idiots, that's basically unavoidable but promoting superstition over medicine is a very irresponsible thing to do.

Kev W

Terrlock wrote: »

The power of prayer is truly an amazing gift.

She is a brave women coming forward in these days to testify about her faith.

I pray that through this article that more people will come to know and trust in the Lord.

Not as amazing as the power of medicine, which is what was actually at work here.

Huntergonzo

LorMal wrote: »

Huge level of cynicism on here. Religious person believes in God intervention shocker! How dare she!!

Religious person believes in God intervention.......and gets national media coverage to tell people that medicine didn't save her, prayer did. I think that's the issue really!