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The Force Awakens Movie thread - Have seen the movie; see post 1

  • 08-12-2015 2:06pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,081 ✭✭✭


    Right so here we are, just over a week to go so said I'd get the ball rolling. What are people's plans? I'm going to a midnight showing on my own 4 days before my wife is due for baby number 2. So apart from being a bit of a bogey going on my todd it'll be one eye on the phone while I'm in there.

    Have to say I can't help but feel excited. The phantom menace was probably one of the worst cinema experiences I ever had not just because it was obviously a very poor film but mainly because I was so excited for it to come out at the time.

    For future reference: I don't think we'll need spoiler tags in this thread once it'd released so anyone reading this be warned I'll probably put up an old review/thoughts next week after I see it.

    //MOD

    Updated title that this thread is now for people who HAVE seen the movie; spoiler tags are NOT required and any complaints about spoilers will no be entertained. If you have not seen the movie you can set up a separate thread to discuss your expectations but once seen the discussion should move here instead.

    //MOD


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭VisibleGorilla


    Exactly the same as yourself, midnight showing on my todd.

    Cannot wait.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 54 ✭✭starvin


    Midnight show with 9 of my mates. Can't wait.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭Into The Blue


    Me and a mate midnight in the odeon beside the point..
    Currently mid machete...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27 Skylined.94


    New International trailer released today with even more action including the Millennium Falcon crashing into some snow!!! Roll on the 17th!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed


    I'm going on my own iMax Thursday afternoon then Sunday night imc galactic (whatever that means ) dun laoghaire

    The review embargo is up till the 16th for all publications


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  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 9,768 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manach


    Very tempted into going to the Midnight showing at the local cinema.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,435 ✭✭✭TiGeR KiNgS


    ziedth wrote: »
    Right so here we are, just over a week to go so said I'd get the ball rolling. What are people's plans? I'm going to a midnight showing on my own 4 days before my wife is due for baby number 2. So apart from being a bit of a bogey going on my todd it'll be one eye on the phone while I'm in there.

    Have to say I can't help but feel excited. The phantom menace was probably one of the worst cinema experiences I ever had not just because it was obviously a very poor film but mainly because I was so excited for it to come out at the time.

    For future reference: I don't think we'll need spoiler tags in this thread once it'd released so anyone reading this be warned I'll probably put up an old review/thoughts next week after I see it.

    Kylo if a Boy ?
    Ren if a Girl ?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 333 ✭✭deseil


    Im going on thursday with the other half and 2 boys. Online thursday deal in Carlow only 20 euro for the 4 of us! Cant wait


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,563 ✭✭✭✭peteeeed




  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭Into The Blue


    WARNING:
    Review embargo finished at 8 this morning.
    Do not make any unnecessary journeys. (Including, work, college, school, mass)
    Turn off your internet.
    Turn off your phone.
    Do not answer your door.
    Tell your loved ones you will talk to them in two days time.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,310 ✭✭✭✭Grandeeod


    LOL!

    In fairness most reviews are spoiler free. But if you dig deep enough you can find the entire plot. I did. Shocking stuff.:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,081 ✭✭✭ziedth


    Ha your not far wrong,

    As sad as it is I'm actually off Facebook etc for the next 12 hours for fear of spoilers. Excited enough now I must say.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    is this a HAVE SEEN THE FILM thread?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81 ✭✭sjoyce87


    Tigger wrote: »
    is this a HAVE SEEN THE FILM thread?

    Well it says its a spoiler zone from this date.. So I'd imagine it's game ball to openly discuss it here


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 15,024 ✭✭✭✭ShaneU


    Loved it, blew the prequels away and as good, if not better than the original trilogy. Easily the funniest of any of the movies too. A few nitpicky things bugged me, like people being able to wield lightsabers without any training and yet ANOTHER planet destroying device but overall it killed it, Star Wars is back.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 126 ✭✭Whyohwhy?


    So, do we have to put spoiler tags or not? Mods can ye clarify please!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 126 ✭✭Whyohwhy?


    ShaneU wrote: »
    A few nitpicky things bugged me, like people being able to wield lightsabers without any training and yet ANOTHER planet destroying device but overall it killed it, Star Wars is back.

    Yeah, there's 3 environments exactly the same as the original trilogy. A trench run to knock out the "thermal oscillator" (thermal exhaust port in a new hope), even after that, poe inside it is very similar to lando and nien nub in the second death star in rotj, he even turns sideways to gain access, though lando did it on the way out.

    Captain phasma seems to have been very underused for some reason. I wonder how much hamill was paid for his 30-45 seconds of screen time, easiest money he's ever made.

    What's the bets that rey is lukes kid?
    Will Ben return to the light side?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,467 ✭✭✭ibFoxer


    Whyohwhy? wrote: »

    What's the bets that rey is lukes kid?

    Initially I though maybe, but after an hour of reflection I think it might be a bit obvious. Then again, Ren was obviously a Solo/Skywalker so there is precedent.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 457 ✭✭CaptainInsano


    Was it just me or was it a bit too comical overall? Maybe I'm just a grumpy bastard. Although C3PO interrupting Han and Leia's reunion was hilarious.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,358 ✭✭✭Into The Blue


    Remake of a new hope, info hidden in droid, empire looking for droid, goodie dressed up as storm trooper doing a rescue, new improved death star getting blown up at the end..

    Bit too much on the wise cracks, glad to see solo put out of his misery, he really looked jaded and out of place with the new characters.. Laya looked fecked aswell..

    Solid 7 out of 10.

    Big reveal in episode 8 will be that Rey and kylo are twins...


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,367 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    The plot was certainly a bit samey and Kylo Ren must be bloody useless with a light saber but there were a few things I really liked:

    The "Star-killer" - wasn't this Luke's original surname?

    R2-KT cameo

    The feel of the original trilogy

    Han & Leia's scenes together

    Finn being a bit slow

    It looks bloody gorgeous from start to finish


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 195 ✭✭unjedilike


    I thought it was brilliant, felt more real than any of the previous six. I was also surprised that I found myself laughing in places. Skellig looked amazing


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Feel a little underwhelmed if I am honest. . Just home and the more I thought about the movie the less I was happy.

    The death of a big character did not do it for me. I thought there were plenty of other less enjoyable characters that would of been disposable. Not happy at all with that.

    I am also a bit disappointed that there was stuff that I am not sure is ok for me to let my son watch. The scene with those animals catching and eating people like Aliens was not a PG moment!

    I will sleep on it and probably go and see it again before settling on a fair rating.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 126 ✭✭Whyohwhy?


    Drumpot wrote: »
    Feel a little underwhelmed if I am honest. . Just home and the more I thought about the movie the less I was happy.

    The death of a big character did not do it for me. I thought there were plenty of other less enjoyable characters that would of been disposable. Not happy at all with that.

    I am also a bit disappointed that there was stuff that I am not sure is ok for me to let my son watch. The scene with those animals catching and eating people like Aliens was not a PG moment!

    I will sleep on it and probably go and see it again before settling on a fair rating.

    Ford probably doesn't want to do anymore I'd imagine. As for the aliens eating people, it wasn't exactly gory or prolonged. I might be wrong, but its12a not pg is it not?


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    Whyohwhy? wrote: »
    Ford probably doesn't want to do anymore I'd imagine. As for the aliens eating people, it wasn't exactly gory or prolonged. I might be wrong, but its12a not pg is it not?

    Def 12 A

    I loved it so much.


    Well done JJ, from the opening titles to the end, you did it.


    What a relief after the prequels!


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭BMMachine


    It was good fun. Too samey as episode iv though. Like did he have to have the exact same plot?
    I like the way it pretends episodes 1-3 dont exist. They should be purged from history.

    Bad guys need to be better though. I dont get a sense of a threat from the Ice Giant and Kylo was really good until he took off his mask and then had a light sabre duel, seemed quite weak and unthreatening after the mask thing.

    Was a lot of fun though. 7.5/10


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Whyohwhy? wrote: »
    Ford probably doesn't want to do anymore I'd imagine. As for the aliens eating people, it wasn't exactly gory or prolonged. I might be wrong, but its12a not pg is it not?

    I was thinking more for bringing children under 12. It wasn't like a marvel 12s, that scene in the spaceship was a different kind of scary for a 12a. As a parent of three young boys I was sure I could bring the eldest (6) to it but I am not so sure now. Just a bit disappointed in that part is all I was looking forward to bringing him .

    I didn't want Solo to be killed, I wasn't saying it reflected badly on the movie.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 126 ✭✭Whyohwhy?


    Drumpot wrote: »
    I was thinking more for bringing children under 12. It wasn't like a marvel 12s, that scene in the spaceship was a different kind of scary for a 12s.

    I didn't want Solo to be killed, I wasn't saying it reflected badly on the movie.

    I'd say most kids would be grand tbh, obviously you know what yours will be able to handle. Would deffo be too much for under 6's

    I think pretty much everyone kinda knew solo was to be killed off, It completes kylo's descent to the dark side.
    Next episode I think will have rey be torn between the light and dark side (kylo/luke) and the one after probably similar to rotj, redemption for rey maybe or kylo perhaps? Luke will die in that one as well, if not the next episode, possibly to save rey...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,306 ✭✭✭✭Drumpot


    Whyohwhy? wrote: »
    I'd say most kids would be grand tbh, obviously you know what yours will be able to handle. Would deffo be too much for under 6's

    I think pretty much everyone kinda knew solo was to be killed off, It completes kylo's descent to the dark side.
    Next episode I think will have rey be torn between the light and dark side (kylo/luke) and the one after probably similar to rotj, redemption for rey maybe or kylo perhaps? Luke will die in that one as well, if not the next episode, possibly to save rey...

    10 year old Drumpot's heart sank when he got pierced in the heart . :(

    There aren't many movies where I care that much about characters so I guess that's a plus in some way .


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  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Arts Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 18,375 CMod ✭✭✭✭Nody


    Whyohwhy? wrote: »
    So, do we have to put spoiler tags or not? Mods can ye clarify please!
    No spoiler tags required; I'll update the thread title to make that clear.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 123 ✭✭TLOA72


    Drove home last night with tears streaming down my face so much that I had to pull over. From the opening shimmer to the final credits I became 12 years old again. Loved it all. The little nods to the past, the new characters, the old ones, the music, fight scenes and even the humour. So much pressure on JJ to deliver and he smashed it.

    Thanks from this 43 year old kid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭VisibleGorilla


    BMMachine wrote: »
    Bad guys need to be better though. I dont get a sense of a threat from the Ice Giant and Kylo was really good until he took off his mask and then had a light sabre duel, seemed quite weak and unthreatening after the mask thing.
    Isn't that quite interesting though? He is still young, still learning, he is not this all powerful bad guy that we have seen so many of.

    I thought he was the most interesting character of the lot, potential to rival Darth Vader in my view.


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 3,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭OpenYourEyes


    I really enjoyed it. They might have overdone some of the BB-8 characterization too, but thats very forgivable.

    It was perfectly cast, and Harrison Ford gave a really good performance (and he's now free from doing another one, which was probably a significant motivation!).

    Like most people I thought Rey doing so well against Kylo Ren was a bit of a stretch. I found Kylo Ren really good in his struggle with the dark side, lack of confidence (if thats the right word?) and occasional outbursts of rage. I loved the tension between him and Domhnall Gleesons character too, who I thought was excellent.

    I was hoping for a *bit* more Luke/Skellig, and for a few more hints as to Reys parents, but I really enjoyed it overall. Highly likely I'll go to see it again in the near future.

    Edit: ALSO - you cant darken a sun without having catastrophic impacts on every planet in that solar system! Even if there is more than one sun!


  • Site Banned Posts: 2,094 ✭✭✭BMMachine


    Isn't that quite interesting though? He is still young, still learning, he is not this all powerful bad guy that we have seen so many of.

    I thought he was the most interesting character of the lot, potential to rival Darth Vader in my view.

    nahhh, dont see it. if they kept him a bit darker and a bit more mysterious and less of an Anakin Skywalker from episode 2 then yeah, maybe. But as it stands he seems to just be a petulant child and not very threatening. Darth was just straight up the man


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Rey is a natural fighter who has had to fight for everything she has for years
    She has every right to pick up a saber and use it
    Ren was being taught by Luke and then he got bored and looked for shortcuts so he probably never really trained with the saber I mean he can stop blaster bolts mid flight


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 607 ✭✭✭Pete Moss


    Tigger wrote: »
    Rey is a natural fighter who has had to fight for everything she has for years
    She has every right to pick up a saber and use it
    Ren was being taught by Luke and then he got bored and looked for shortcuts so he probably never really trained with the saber I mean he can stop blaster bolts mid flight

    That immediately caught my attention. It was such a great WTF moment as it hadn't been done in any of the movies to date.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 952 ✭✭✭hytrogen


    I managed not to watch a single trailer, read any reviews or synopses or get bombarded with sneak peeks, right up until the curtains went up this morning! (Very proud I must say too!)

    Agreeing with a lot of the comments here.

    I thought the character background development was too shallow and presumptuous compared to the previous saga, (maybe because they wanted another Clone wars type series in between??) the pace was too fast compared to the saga especially compared to episodes I II & III as they were more recently composed.
    Overall it felt like I was high on too many cups of coffee trying to race to the end of the story (even at a midnight viewing) and it was way too short, especially the end sequence where they were building on for the sequel.
    But yes an excellent movie, circle of life twisting style
    A solid 9.5 overall


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 126 ✭✭Whyohwhy?


    Bit of a stretch that rey, having only ever heard myths of the jedi, much less of the force, suddenly figures out the jedi mind trick so easily ... I have to admit though, they way the stormtrooper walks out is gas, just the body language was comical "fcuk it, I'm outta here" kinda walk out.

    It's a very good entertaining addition to the star wars world, but some people really have bought into the hype way too much. It's not as truly a great film as some are saying imo(and I say this as a MASSIVE sw fan of many years)

    I hope the dvd has an extended cut, it feels a little disjointed in places. I'm sure there's stuff that was left on the cutting room floor that was left out to keep the run time down, that it'll make more cohesive when included.

    By no means a bad film at all, it's very enjoyable and looks fantastic, there's just something not quite right that I can't put my finger on right now...


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 508 ✭✭✭Block (8


    Went to the midnight show and although it was good like some members here was slightly underwhelmed. As a child going to the original I was gobsmacked and I know that's a once off but coming out of the fellowship of the rings was quite close.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    *DSA = Definitely Still Alive - Will be seen again in EpVIII

    Really enjoyed it, but not sure if I love it or not. (Going again on Saturday for a second viewing).

    Definitely entertaining and funnier than I was expecting (still not sure if BB-8 gave Finn a thumbs up or the middle finger). The plot seemed a little bit rushed at times and certain characters were definitely underused, but my overall feeling about this movie is that it was not supposed to be the best Star Wars movie ever. It's a set up for the future movies, a big announcement saying that it'll be ok, that they're doing it right this time.

    The bad guys

    The bad guys are definitely underused, General Hux (Domhnall Gleeson) had his great Nazi-esque speech, you could see his evil nature almost spitting from his mouth, but then the rest of the movie was pretty much "fire the weapon", "charge the weapon", "prepare to fire the weapon". I was waiting for him to say "you may fire when ready". I would have liked a little more from him, hopefully the next movie will let us see more of him. *DSA

    Captain Phasma (Gwendoline Christie) - the Chrome Dome - was disappointing. She had the potential of being a bad ass evil female character, a first in Star Wars, but she literally did nothing the entire movie. She barked a few orders and sounded authoritative, but that's it. I needed to see her being scary, show that she is a warrior worth fearing. The fight with Finn and the stormtrooper with the big electric stick (not other way to describe it) should have been between Finn and Phasma and she should have won but stopped short of killing him because Ren told everyone to leave. It would have made it even more enjoyable when they capture her at the end and throw her in the trash compactor (which she definitely survived, no way they could kill her off that easily after putting her upfront in so much promo material). *DSA

    Supreme Leader Snoke (Andy Serkis) seemed a bit cartoonish but I still liked him. Andy Serkis was near-unrecognisable and even though it's motion capture, it was really good emotive acting. Unlike Phasma and Hux though I wish I had seen less of him. A single conversation with him would have nicely reflected the emperors short appearance in Empire, made Hux and Ren seem like they had more authority but also alluded to the bigger, badder person behind the scenes pulling the strings.

    The Knights of Ren - Such a quick glimpse of them in a flashback! Where are they?? They look like a badass crew and I want to see more of them!

    The good guys

    Finn / FN-2187 (John Boyega) was fun and energetic. All the reviews I've seen so far talk about how Boyega obviously enjoys just being there and they are completely right, he has thrown himself into this role. You can see with Finn (and with Rey) that he is a mixture of the OT characters, the 'in it for himself' attitude of Solo and the naivety of young Luke. But he was funny when he needed to be, heroic when he needed to be and was a good main character.

    Rey (Daisy Ridley) was annoying. Now hear me out, I don't mean that she was an annoying character or that Ridley annoyed me with how she played her. She was annoying because she obviously has this massive back story and I desperately want to know what it is! The entire movie teased us with little glimpses of her story but just never enough to know what's going on with her. Is she Leia and Han's kid? Is she just Leia's kid? Is she Luke's kid? My theory: I don't know who's kid she is (that's the annoying part) but I think that she was definitely supposed to be one of the potential new Jedis that Luke was training before Ren killed them all so Luke hid her on Jakku. (Like Obi-wan hid Luke on Tatooine). There were some things about her story that I didn't like too much, like her longing to wait on Jakku for her family. I'm sure that with the future movies going into more detail about her it will all be explained, but in it's absence it just comes across as a little whiney. But any whiney moments are completely overshadowed by her kick-ass moments, every time that a little more of her Force training is revealed she becomes stronger and stronger and now that she has hooked up with Luke, I can't wait to see how powerful she becomes. And damn she is a good pilot, I never knew the Falcon could bend that way!

    BB-8 is the comic relief character that we should have had in place of Jar Jar. He(?) was funny without being silly, overly slapstick and, most importantly, he was actually relevant to the plot! And he had relationships with characters, you could see a friendship building with himself and Rey, you could feel the connection that was already there with him and Poe.

    Poe Dameron (Oscar Isaac) definitely set the tone and has the best first laugh of the movie. They called him a great pilot, like Anakin, but actually showed how good he was. He was a genuinely good character, but still cocky and back-talking. I can see him becoming a role model for Finn and an entertaining way to progress the characters around him.

    Han Solo (Harrison Ford) - Star Wars Episode VII: The Adventures of Han Solo. Han had a bigger role in this film that in any of the OT films, and at the end of the movie you can see why. You can see how his character has developed in the gap between movies and he has more responsibility in this, he doesn't need to be talked into helping like he did in the previous movies, he wants to help. His relationship with Chewwy is so sweet and you can really feel the pain in Chewwy's roar when Han dies. But about the death... you could see it coming a mile away. Maybe it was because of the clip in the trailer when you see Rey crying over an apparently dead body (which surprisingly had nothing to do with this) but I was expecting a death and the ambiguity of Ren's speech about Han helping him that there was going to be a twist. Ren is not Dath Maul, he is not a throw-away bad guy that will be defeated in the first film, Han's attempt to bring him back to the light was always doomed to fail.

    One thing about his death, it finally makes Harrison Ford's promotion of the movie make so much more sense. He has always been a bit grumpy about Star Wars, to him it was one of many movies that he made a long time ago, but he was so involved in the promotion of this, so positive about everything. Now looking back, you can see he was willing to do it because he knew it would be the last time he'd have to.

    General Leia (Carrie Fisher) wasn't in the film as much as I had hoped she would, but again, this movie is just a build-up to the other movies so I know we will see more of her. One thing that did stick out in my mind, and this is probably just me, but she has aged. Now don't get me wrong, I don't mean this in a "Ewww, she's old" kind of way, and Carrie Fisher has obviously aged along with everyone else. But there is a difference in my mind between seeing older Carrie Fisher and older Princess Leia. Seeing Leia being old and talking with Fisher's rougher voice actually reflects the world that the movie takes place in. Time has passed but the battle still continues, evil has not been defeated and continues to take it's toll on those fighting for good. Leia, although still fighting, seems more tired and the hit of her son being one of the big bad guys seems to weight heavily on her. She wants to defeat her son but she also wants to save him.

    Luke Skywalker (Mark Hamill) is... in the movie. This was probably the most disappointing part of the whole film for me, and being the final scene is probably why I came out of it with such mixed feelings. Rey's walk up the island hills (Skellig Michael! Woo!) took too long and the big, slow turn around and the big long stares across at each other just seemed too grandiose for what was essentially an inevitability. Seeing Luke was not a surprise, the entire plot of the movie was based around finding him. We found out 10 minutes ago that we know where he is. The lone figure on the hill in Jedi robes is not Jar Jar Binks, we know it is Luke. Han and Chewbacca's reveal on the Millenium Falcon was a nice surprise, Leia's reveal on the planet surface was touching and had an element of familiar humour with C-3PO's interruption of their intimate moments. Luke and Rey's staring match was just... I don't know, I get the significance of it but I just didn't feel it.

    Overall feelings

    I did enjoy the movie, it had great action moments, great jokes and light-hearted interactions as well as believable emotional bonds between characters, and it has definitely done it's job in making me want even more. And maybe that's simply where some of my disappointment lies, I wanted more than what they gave me and I'm just being a spoilt child!

    But I definitely recommend the movie, it's a great addition to the saga and gives me 'a new hope' ;) for the future of the series.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 126 ✭✭Whyohwhy?


    Block (8 wrote: »
    Went to the midnight show and although it was good like some members here was slightly underwhelmed. As a child going to the original I was gobsmacked and I know that's a once off but coming out of the fellowship of the rings was quite close.

    Too young for the original trilogy('84) but was hooked when I did get into them. Was underwhelmed myself, and could sense plenty of others were too. In fairness, no film, I don't think could ever live up to the expectation and hype surrounding this particular one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,367 ✭✭✭✭Sleepy


    robdonn wrote: »
    Han's attempt to bring him back to the light was always doomed to fail.
    I got the sense that he knew it too. That he was doing it for Leia, hoping she was right and that he could talk some sense into his son but knowing that it was a lost cause and that his death would be the push Leia would need to properly go to war on her own son.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,676 ✭✭✭strandroad


    Sleepy wrote: »
    I got the sense that he knew it too. That he was doing it for Leia, hoping she was right and that he could talk some sense into his son but knowing that it was a lost cause and that his death would be the push Leia would need to properly go to war on her own son.

    They were showing that he's tired... Even his business tricks do not work anymore, he wanted to hire Rey as some new blood on the ship, he doesn't even need to be talked into things as he used to. He was OK with laying his life there and I don't think he even believed Kylo would turn, he just wanted to get some time for the others to detonate their explosives.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,042 ✭✭✭spooky donkey


    Loved the movie, even the questions it left me with. Feels like a long time to wait till movie 8 now. So here is a spoiler photo from the next movie :) well not really just our visit earlier this year to skellig when I brought my daughter the next generation of star wars fan to the skellig, still Rey should get her self a millennium falcon t-shirt as well :)

    20814389465_04612f8cbe_z.jpglukes retreat by Barry Kelly, on Flickr


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Falthyron


    With regards the matter relating to Rey's connection to the force being so strong this early without training; let's not forget Luke being able to deflect blaster shots with a visor in front of his eyes, or making the "one in a million" shot on the Death Star without computer assistance, or hearing Obi Wan's voice, and his ability to use the force to move his lightsaber while in the Wampa cave...

    I am also not 100% certain Rey has not received any training, even basic stuff. If she is Kylo's younger sister and daughter to Han and Leia, she too could have been in the early stages of learning about the force before Kylo turned to the darkside. I reckon she was hidden for that very purpose - a survivor, albeit a very young one, and not told about her brother to protect her.

    I need to see the scene where she has a dream again when she touched Luke's lightsaber and she saw images of past, present and future.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 39,470 ✭✭✭✭PTH2009


    I think Luke should start saving for his funeral. If they can kill han solo than I think Luke should go as well.

    I never saw the old movies in full and saw this and really enjoyed it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Falthyron wrote: »
    With regards the matter relating to Rey's connection to the force being so strong this early without training; let's not forget Luke being able to deflect blaster shots with a visor in front of his eyes, or making the "one in a million" shot on the Death Star without computer assistance, or hearing Obi Wan's voice, and his ability to use the force to move his lightsaber while in the Wampa cave...

    I am also not 100% certain Rey has not received any training, even basic stuff. If she is Kylo's younger sister and daughter to Han and Leia, she too could have been in the early stages of learning about the force before Kylo turned to the darkside. I reckon she was hidden for that very purpose - a survivor, albeit a very young one, and not told about her brother to protect her.

    I need to see the scene where she has a dream again when she touched Luke's lightsaber and she saw images of past, present and future.

    this is what i believe except i think that her parents think she is dead and that she was hidden by a third side
    i also think the one grabbing her was Max von snydo and that he is
    bobba fett


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,107 ✭✭✭robdonn


    Tigger wrote: »
    this is what i believe except i think that her parents think she is dead and that she was hidden by a third side
    i also think the one grabbing her was Max von snydo and that he is
    bobba fett

    That is a completely mental theory... I love it! His final revenge.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,835 ✭✭✭Falthyron


    Tigger wrote: »
    this is what i believe except i think that her parents think she is dead and that she was hidden by a third side
    i also think the one grabbing her was Max von snydo and that he is
    bobba fett

    Yeah, I would agree with the idea that Von Sydow is her protector. Much like how Obi Wan was Luke's. Especially when Von Sydow speaks of Kylo's family, etc. He clearly knows what happened and is aware of what is going on.

    Not sure if I agree with the
    Boba Fett
    theory though! :D My guess would be that he was a mentor or good friend to Luke when he re-established the Jedi temple. Someone Luke trusts and managed to escape Kylo's attack.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,705 ✭✭✭✭Tigger


    Falthyron wrote: »
    Yeah, I would agree with the idea that Von Sydow is her protector. Much like how Obi Wan was Luke's. Especially when Von Sydow speaks of Kylo's family, etc. He clearly knows what happened and is aware of what is going on.

    Not sure if I agree with the
    Boba Fett
    theory though! :D My guess would be that he was a mentor or good friend to Luke when he re-established the Jedi temple. Someone Luke trusts and managed to escape Kylo's attack.
    my logic is three fold and is as follows
    he's the right age
    his
    flag is seen on the stronghold
    i very want

    also the person grabbing her seemed to being rough


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