Starky interview

BTH

Pretty interesting read.

I particularly like this line

Heart rate in races. Power in training.

http://www.slowtwitch.com/Interview/Starykowicz_in_full_5526.html

tunney

BTH wrote: »

Pretty interesting read.

I particularly like this line




http://www.slowtwitch.com/Interview/Starykowicz_in_full_5526.html

"Don't stop for anything, even an accident"

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

BTH wrote: »

Pretty interesting read.

I particularly like this line




http://www.slowtwitch.com/Interview/Starykowicz_in_full_5526.html

Funnily enough i trialed the same approach at my last HIM, trained with power and raced by HR with no power meter on the bike. It can be a negative in a race if you are looking down and you are off your power plan.

joey100

Seems like a lucky guy that ended up being sponsored by all the fastest companies, according to him. Seriously though I'd say his sponsors (bike at least) love him, using his engineering back ground to explain why he uses certain equipment. Doesn't really answer the bike 5 mins slower, run 6 mins quicker question either.

I get that he is super fast on the bike but it's a triathlon he's racing not a bike race. I'm not convinced there isn't other pro's out there who could do similar times on the bike, but they leave enough to be able to run faster marathons off it.

peter kern

He is good and controversial and adds to the sport . some good stuff some bs in the interview

BTH wrote: »

Pretty interesting read.

I particularly like this line




http://www.slowtwitch.com/Interview/Starykowicz_in_full_5526.html

BTH

Santos Tender Mudslide wrote: »

Funnily enough i trialed the same approach at my last HIM, trained with power and raced by HR with no power meter on the bike. It can be a negative in a race if you are looking down and you are off your power plan.

And the verdict???

peter kern

He can't run so of course he has to take a bit more risk on the bike and fact is he is winning more sponsor money than anybody at his level and most of the ones that are a level above he will never get a top 1o in Hawaii but will earn more than the guys tat finish 6-10

joey100 wrote: »

Seems like a lucky guy that ended up being sponsored by all the fastest companies, according to him. Seriously though I'd say his sponsors (bike at least) love him, using his engineering back ground to explain why he uses certain equipment. Doesn't really answer the bike 5 mins slower, run 6 mins quicker question either.

I get that he is super fast on the bike but it's a triathlon he's racing not a bike race. I'm not convinced there isn't other pro's out there who could do similar times on the bike, but they leave enough to be able to run faster marathons off it.

peter kern

BTH wrote: »

And the verdict???

rpe as accurate unles you are a total beginner

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

BTH wrote: »

And the verdict???

Fastest HIM bike split by 3mins and fastest run split by several minutes. I will be racing without power next year but will continue to train with it. Might have PM for racing but hide data to review afterwards.

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

peter kern wrote: »

rpe as accurate unles you are a total beginner

True

peter kern

Santos Tender Mudslide wrote: »

Funnily enough i trialed the same approach at my last HIM, trained with power and raced by HR with no power meter on the bike. It can be a negative in a race if you are looking down and you are off your power plan.

i wonder why would your power plan not be more flexiable to allow for variation and using it as an 2nd opion to rpe but not as the ruler ?

it seems your problem is not the powermeter its the expectations you have would that be correct ?

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

peter kern wrote: »

i wonder why would your power plan not be more flexiable to allow for variation and using it as an 2nd opion to rpe but not as the ruler ?

it seems your problem is not the powermeter its the expectations you have would that be correct ?

My issue in the past was I focussed too much on the numbers. Always flexibile but when you see the numbers are off (in some cases) 25% from motion swim issues it can distract you if you allow it (which I have)

Expectations are mostly realistic now, not so in the past, however it's the not adjusting race plan when things are going off kilter, that's the bigger issue.

Best to listen to the body, go with the flow and smile

pgibbo

peter kern wrote: »

i wonder why would your power plan not be more flexiable to allow for variation and using it as an 2nd opion to rpe but not as the ruler ?

it seems your problem is not the powermeter its the expectations you have would that be correct ?

There is another side to this that people often overlook and Fran kind of alluded to it. Most people bike fresh and see that hitting x number is very manageable. However, after a swim if you're not as swim fit as you think you are or suffer from vertigo or the likes after the swim, then rpe can be much higher, and HR, for the same numbers. So it's not always as straightforward as saying expectations were too high. Swim bike bricks would be a good tool to avoid such issues or at least know how to set your expectations appropriately.

tunney

Ego is a b1tch.

pgibbo

tunney wrote: »

Ego is a b1tch.

it can be naivety too

peter kern

pgibbo wrote: »

There is another side to this that people often overlook and Fran kind of alluded to it. Most people bike fresh and see that hitting x number is very manageable. However, after a swim if you're not as swim fit as you think you are or suffer from vertigo or the likes after the swim, then rpe can be much higher, and HR, for the same numbers. So it's not always as straightforward as saying expectations were too high. Swim bike bricks would be a good tool to avoid such issues or at least know how to set your expectations appropriately.

the best test is a race ...

tunney

peter kern wrote: »

the best test is a race ...

"The only true indicator of performance is performance"
-Someone whose name I cannot remember

peter kern

pgibbo wrote: »

There is another side to this that people often overlook and Fran kind of alluded to it. Most people bike fresh and see that hitting x number is very manageable. However, after a swim if you're not as swim fit as you think you are or suffer from vertigo or the likes after the swim, then rpe can be much higher, and HR, for the same numbers. So it's not always as straightforward as saying expectations were too high. Swim bike bricks would be a good tool to avoid such issues or at least know how to set your expectations appropriately.

well I would think the most impotant time of a control device would be at the start of the bike and hr is the worst reference tool for the first 15 min in any case, a power meter would be much more useful, used on race performance not training perfomances.

in most cases it would be good for long distance atheltes if the rpe at start of the bike is higher than it should. nd realistacally you should never worry about too low effort ( as this cant be change ) you should only worry aobut to high effort as this is likely to bite later on.

peter kern

tunney wrote: »

"The only true indicator of performance is performance"
-Someone whose name I cannot remember

anybody concerned aobut perfomance and not playing ftp games (mostly on a turbo ;-)

bryangiggsy

pgibbo wrote: »

There is another side to this that people often overlook and Fran kind of alluded to it. Most people bike fresh and see that hitting x number is very manageable. However, after a swim if you're not as swim fit as you think you are or suffer from vertigo or the likes after the swim, then rpe can be much higher, and HR, for the same numbers. So it's not always as straightforward as saying expectations were too high. Swim bike bricks would be a good tool to avoid such issues or at least know how to set your expectations appropriately.

I have this issue. trying to get the HR down after the swim and t1. In a HIM i like to keep my hr below 150 on the bike. I practically have to stop to get it down. It solely comes down to not being swim fit enough. No one to blame but myself. 1 long /hard swim a week does not cut it but thats all i can fit in with a squad and in a 50m pool. I believe B2R are swimming 4/5 days a week now around at 90 mins a go. I would doubt there are any swim fit issues there.

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

tunney wrote: »

Ego is a b1tch.

Whats that got to do with anything discussed above your post?

tunney

Santos Tender Mudslide wrote: »

Whats that got to do with anything discussed above your post?

Not directed at you.

Alot of the issues people have with power meters is ego related.

peter kern

Santos Tender Mudslide wrote: »

Whats that got to do with anything discussed above your post?

A lot to be honest and i think you misread his comment as a personal attack rather than as a matter of fact statement.

as with everythign good decison making is key and often inthe heat of a race we make bad desciosns where we overestimate ourselfves.

hf4z6sqo7vjngi

peter kern wrote: »

A lot to be honest and i think you misread his comment as a personal attack rather than as a matter of fact statement.

as with everythign good decison making is key and often inthe heat of a race we make bad desciosns where we overestimate ourselfves.

No not at all

peter kern

tunney wrote: »

Not directed at you.

Alot of the issues people have with power meters is ego related.

a lot of issues people have with pacing are ego related ( tegardlsess if rpe power or hr) .
and maybe a better word for ego would be based on not perfect decsion making during the race . ( can be ego , overmotivation , etc etc)

pgibbo

bryangiggsy wrote: »

I have this issue. trying to get the HR down after the swim and t1. In a HIM i like to keep my hr below 150 on the bike. I practically have to stop to get it down. It solely comes down to not being swim fit enough. No one to blame but myself. 1 long /hard swim a week does not cut it but thats all i can fit in with a squad and in a 50m pool. I believe B2R are swimming 4/5 days a week now around at 90 mins a go. I would doubt there are any swim fit issues there.

It must be great having the time to train as consistently and regularly as that. Alas, that's not to be for you or I. Make the most of the time available and race to the best of our abilities after that.