Speedos on N25

Derpenstein

So I usually drive around 5km under the limit cuz I'm paranoid of getting snapped for being 1km over or something, but yesterday I had 2 asshats aggressively drive up my arse yesterday, and I increased my speed to the limit both times, going over slightly. I couldn't help it, really. Just a reaction and frustration cuz of the assclowns behind me in their 20 year old bangers thinking they are Lewis Hamilton. Anyways, I was wondering if any of you spotted any Speedos on the N25 between Youghal and Waterford yesterday morning 02/12/15. I didn't spot any, but I had my eye on the clowns in my mirror a good lot of the time, so I wouldn't be surprised if I missed a speedo. Thanks in advance

Melodeon

It's a dirty cold wet sort of a day to be wearing Speedos out on a main road!

Toyotafanboi

Didn't see any camera vans yesterday. It was probably me in your rear view mirror though.

There does be a fair few accidents on that stretch. In fairness, the road is huge and at least in daylight hours visibility is generaly very very good. The most dangerous thing I see on that road are people desperately trying to overtake people who don't seem to want to keep a steady pace.

That road in most areas is well able to handle 100km/h. HGV drivers tuck in to let people pass on it, local farmers tuck in to let people pass but it is the people who insist on doing 85-90 on it for miles on end, not letting others pass that cause real issues through sheer frustration and road rage.

Asmooh

"in their 20 year old bangers"
Whats wrong with that? older cars are way more fun in general than new cars.

Derpenstein

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Didn't see any camera vans yesterday. It was probably me in your rear view mirror though.

There does be a fair few accidents on that stretch. In fairness, the road is huge and at least in daylight hours visibility is generaly very very good. The most dangerous thing I see on that road are people desperately trying to overtake people who don't seem to want to keep a steady pace.

That road in most areas is well able to handle 100km/h. HGV drivers tuck in to let people pass on it, local farmers ruck in to let people pass but is is the people who insist on doing 85-90 on it for miles on end, not letting others pass that cause real issues.

Ye, I get what your saying about lads going slow for miles cuz that pisses me off as well, but 95 on 100 road is a fair pace, and it's what most people go, I reckon. It was just these 2 clowns right up my backside, then they eventually pass and continue going well over 100.

Toyotafanboi

It still could have been me, what time of the day are we talking here :pac:

I got overtaken real agressive yesterday, near Leamybrien outside Dungarvan by a Toureg, literally doing 150/ 160 km/h in the pissing rain. Was fantastic to watch but I was bricking it for yer man, it was like a boat.

Derpenstein

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

It still could have been me, what time of the day are we talking here :pac:

I got overtaken real agressive yesterday, near Leamybrien outside Dungarvan by a Toureg, literally doing 150/ 160 km/h in the pissing rain. Was fantastic to watch but I was bricking it for yer man, it was like a boat.

Between around 9.45 and 10.45, but I can't remember exactly what stretch of the road it was. Were you driving from Dungarvan to Waterford? It was somewhere on that stretch.

Wossack

you'll never drive quick enough to get one of them types to stop tailgating, so methinks its actually best to just slow down

Donnelly117

Asmooh wrote: »

"in their 20 year old bangers"
Whats wrong with that? older cars are way more fun in general than new cars.

Im guessing the reason you think they are fun is the exact reason the OP is weary of them. They arent exactly at the same safety standard as the cars of today.
There are few cars from the mid 90s id be brave enough to be racing around in on a day with weather like today. Theres a time and a place for having fun in a car and it aint at 60+ mph on a dark, busy road in torrential rain...

Toyotafanboi

Derpenstein wrote: »

Between around 9.45 and 10.45, but I can't remember exactly what stretch of the road it was. Were you driving from Dungarvan to Waterford? It was somewhere on that stretch.

Genuinely, that time fits, could have been me, what do you drive :pac: could also be the same guy who overtook me in the Toureg. I arrived in Waterford city around 10.40am.

I drive Ballincollig to Waterford City.

The speedometer in the car under reads so doing 5kmh under what it's says means you are driving well under the limit probably around 85kmh a very frustrating speed to be going holding people up. Your are perfectly safe driving at the limit or even a little over it when going by the cars speedometer.

Derpenstein

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Genuinely, that time fits, could have been me, what do you drive :pac: could also be the same guy who overtook me in the Toureg. I arrived in Waterford city around 10.40am.

I drive Ballincollig to Waterford City.

Jasus, that's a fair aul commute. 08 Passat. I wasn't really worried too much about the guy behind. If I put the brakes, and we crash, it's all on him. It's just the speedos that worry me, but if you didn't spot any, that's grand. I saw one beside Applegreens today, so I was worried that I might have missed it yesterday cuz your man was taking my attention.

Derpenstein

Treasure Fat Meteorologist wrote: »

The speedometer in the car under reads so doing 5kmh under what it's says means you are driving well under the limit probably around 85kmh a very frustrating speed to be going holding people up. If you drive at the limit on your speedometer you are still under the actual limit.

Nah man. I have a sat nav gps with accurate speedometer.

Asmooh

Donnelly117 wrote: »

Im guessing the reason you think they are fun is the exact reason the OP is weary of them. They arent exactly at the same safety standard as the cars of today.
There are few cars from the mid 90s id be brave enough to be racing around in on a day with weather like today. Theres a time and a place for having fun in a car and it aint at 60+ mph on a dark, busy road in torrential rain...

not to be mean but I think my 1992 car is safer than most cars I see and hear on the road, they making sounds that I think: do you even take care of your car in the first place.

No i dont have stuff like ABS and traction control and all things but the car has real brakes, not standard customer stuff.
Has real brake lines, not cheap stuff.

My tires? High performance tires instead of cheap tires, don't forget the anti roll bar and other braces to get it as stable as possible and reduce bodyroll

And new cars are safe? take a laptop and your system can be hacked.. how "safe" is that?


So I totally disagree about those things.

Toyotafanboi

Derpenstein wrote: »

Jasus, that's a fair aul commute. 08 Passat. I wasn't really worried too much about the guy behind. If I put the brakes, and we crash, it's all on him. It's just the speedos that worry me, but if you didn't spot any, that's grand. I saw one beside Applegreens today, so I was worried that I might have missed it yesterday cuz your man was taking my attention.

Don't remember you, i'm reasonably tolerant too, once you're over 90 i'l plod along, it's not worth the stress.

Seriously though, didn't spot one around that time for sure. That road is riddled with locations for them though.

Derpenstein

Treasure Fat Meteorologist wrote: »

The speedometer in the car under reads so doing 5kmh under what it's says means you are driving well under the limit probably around 85kmh a very frustrating speed to be going holding people up. Your are perfectly safe driving at the limit or even a little over it when going by the cars speedometer.

Nah man. I have a sat nav gps with accurate speedometer

Asmooh

Asmooh wrote: »

not to be mean but I think my 1992 car is safer than most cars I see and hear on the road, they making sounds that I think: do you even take care of your car in the first place.

No i dont have stuff like ABS and traction control and all things but the car has real brakes, not standard customer stuff.
Has real brake lines, not cheap stuff.

My tires? High performance tires instead of cheap tires, don't forget the anti roll bar and other braces to get it as stable as possible and reduce bodyroll

And new cars are safe? take a laptop and your system can be hacked.. how "safe" is that?


So I totally disagree about those things.

Total nonsense to be fair.

An modern car is vastly safer in both its tech like abs, traction control, better breaking systems, better handling, better components etc etc etc along with being far far safer in the event of a crash.

Asmooh

Treasure Fat Meteorologist wrote: »

Total nonsense to be fair.

just as nonsense I guess telling that older car's aren't safe.

but actually I hear enough cars when they brake they make sound that I think "that cant be good" or when they are just standing still sounds that doesnt sound good.

Derpenstein

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Don't remember you, i'm reasonably tolerant too, once you're over 90 i'l plod along, it's not worth the stress.

Seriously though, didn't spot one around that time for sure. That road is riddled with locations for them though.

Ah ye, you wouldn't remember me. I'm not an old lady driver lol. I tip along at a decent pace like most people. Do you drive a reg 00-??-3515?

Toyotafanboi

Nah, i'm 02-D-xxxxx

Donnelly117

Asmooh wrote: »

not to be mean but I think my 1992 car is safer than most cars I see and hear on the road, they making sounds that I think: do you even take care of your car in the first place.

No i dont have stuff like ABS and traction control and all things but the car has real brakes, not standard customer stuff.
Has real brake lines, not cheap stuff.

My tires? High performance tires instead of cheap tires.

And new cars are safe? take a laptop and your system can be hacked.. how "safe" is that?


So I totally disagree about those things.

Ah now do you really think someone could be bothered hacking the ECU of mine or anyone elses car? Im not sure in what way you think your car is safer then a modern car?

No offense to your car, I believe you have an MX5 that I quite like, but I would have significantly more faith in my own car with stock brakes to have a considerably shorter (and straighter) stopping distance with ABS, TCS, STM etc... And in the event of an accident I would much rather be in a modern car with airbags and crumple zones that arent the drivers knees!

And again, Im not singling out your car, but standards have changed for the better, I appreciate old cars as much as the next enthusiast (particularly 1st gen MX5s (and minis )) but I wouldnt have one as a daily driver is all im pointing out!

blade1

Derpenstein wrote: »

If I put the brakes, and we crash, it's all on him.

You are so wrong on that one.
Anyone deliberately causing a crash shouldn't be left near a road.

tobsey

blade1 wrote: »

You are so wrong on that one.
Anyone deliberately causing a crash shouldn't be left near a road.

That's not what he means I don't think. If he needs to stop for a valid reason and puts on his brakes, it's the driver behind who's at fault. I still wouldn't fancy being crashed into at 50mph regardless of fault.

Toyotafanboi

RE: Safety;

Ultimately at 100km/h no matter if you are in a brand new S-Class or a 1990 Micra, if you become stationary too quickly you will die or be seriously ****ed up, the human body just can't deal with slowing down that quick.

So in that essence, speed does kill.

I also think i'd rather fancy my chances in my "old" light Celica with just ABS and good tyes than a newer car with with a host of driver aids leading to a false sense of security and complacancy in a lot of cases

blade1

tobsey wrote: »

That's not what he means I don't think. If he needs to stop for a valid reason and puts on his brakes, it's the driver behind who's at fault. I still wouldn't fancy being crashed into at 50mph regardless of fault.

I know exactly what he meant.
We have all heard that one one time or another.

Just saying just if there's an idiot behind you no need to react.
Try and make it easy for him to pass you.
You're better off having the idiot in front of you so you can keep an eye on him easier.

Derpenstein

blade1 wrote: »

You are so wrong on that one.
Anyone deliberately causing a crash shouldn't be left near a road.

Come on now. Obviously, I don't want to purposefully crash. In the event that I'd have to slow down sharpish, which could easily happen, a crash would be entirely his fault. You all know the kind of aggressive drivers I am talking about. They don't give a duck.

Asmooh

Treasure Fat Meteorologist wrote: »

Total nonsense to be fair.

An modern car is vastly safer in both its tech like abs, traction control, better breaking systems, better handling, better components etc etc etc along with being far far safer in the event of a crash.

Sorry but I still disagree, I understand that standard changed over the years.
But I normal road cars today are not really fitted with performance parts.

Derpenstein wrote: »

Ah ye, you wouldn't remember me. I'm not an old lady driver lol. I tip along at a decent pace like most people. Do you drive a reg 00-??-3515?

I didn't import my MX5 yet but I think I'll get a 92-reg? because thats the year its from

Donnelly117 wrote: »

Ah now do you really think someone could be bothered hacking the ECU of mine or anyone elses car? Im not sure in what way you think your car is safer then a modern car?

No offense to your car, I believe you have an MX5 that I quite like, but I would have significantly more faith in my own car with stock brakes to have a considerably shorter (and straighter) stopping distance with ABS, TCS, STM etc... And in the event of an accident I would much rather be in a modern car with airbags and crumple zones that arent the drivers knees!

And again, Im not singling out your car, but standards have changed for the better, I appreciate old cars as much as the next enthusiast (particularly 1st gen MX5s (and minis )) but I wouldnt have one as a daily driver is all im pointing out!

Not really your ECU, but new cars are proven to be able to hack easy, mostly because of the Over-the-air firmware updates.

yes, I have an MX5.. shorter stopping distance? remember I have a big brake kit.. build for racing on the circuit. I drove a car for some time with all those things and it felt less safe because you have no control over the car.
One little software issue and you are splashed against the window.

I agree about the airbag part, but thats because new cars are more build to be light, while older cars are more strong in general

I woulnd drive a new car (lets say 2012+) because I don't trust cars that can be updated from over the air.

blade1

Derpenstein wrote: »

Come on now. Obviously, I don't want to purposefully crash. In the event that I'd have to slow down sharpish, which could easily happen, a crash would be entirely his fault. You all know the kind of aggressive drivers I am talking about. They don't give a duck.

Just going by what I got from your posts op!
It comes across that you were annoyed.

I've heard that so many times and seen people slamming on brakes when people are up their ass.

Even though they may deserve to be dragged out of the car and beaten to death, the best way to deal with it is a cool head and a dry underpants!!:D:pac:

biko

Speedo = speedometer

The Sidewards Man

Asmooh wrote: »

"in their 20 year old bangers"
Whats wrong with that? older cars are way more fun in general than new cars.

They are easier to wash too apparently.

alan partridge aha

Probably the most pointless thread of the year.

Toyotafanboi

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

They are easier to wash too apparently.

Oh no you didn't! :pac:

The J Stands for Jay

alan partridge aha wrote: »

Probably the most pointless thread of the year.

Yes, but will I get sent to prison for driving at 101 km/h in a 100 zone?

mallowgarry

blade1 wrote: »

Just saying just if there's an idiot behind you no need to react.
Try and make it easy for him to pass you.
You're better off having the idiot in front of you so you can keep an eye on him easier.

Was driving Youghal - Dungarvan a few weeks back, rotten night, foggy, v. long line of traffic. Some fella tailgated me all the way from Youghal to Kiely's Cross, then he decided to overtake half the line, with cars clearly coming against him.

He was forced to cut back into the line, cars swerving, several horns blown, lights flashed etc. All that to advance three places in the queue.

Discovered afterwards he is a Traffic Garda at Anglesea Street.

Wossack

McGaggs wrote: »

Yes, but will I get sent to prison for driving at 101 km/h in a 100 zone?

if the cops pull you over, and you're just wearing speedo's, then yes

and rightly so, imo

Derpenstein

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Don't remember you, i'm reasonably tolerant too, once you're over 90 i'l plod along, it's not worth the stress.

Seriously though, didn't spot one around that time for sure. That road is riddled with locations for them though.

Happened to me again today. In fact, most people are belting it on that road. Are they not worried about getting done? I didn't spot any speed vans today? but jasus, they are playing with fire for the sake of a couple of minutes

Derpenstein

Derpenstein wrote: »

Happened to me again today. In fact, most people are belting it on that road. Are they not worried about getting done? I didn't spot any speed vans today? but jasus, they are playing with fire for the sake of a couple of minutes

Not referring to that road in particular but go safe vans are always in the same locations you just slow down when approaching the places they stop. Certainly this is the case on the routes I travel you just have to slow in certain places and I've rarely if ever see a van in other places.

Random Garda manned speed traps can be anywhere but you don't see them that often anymore.

Derpenstein

Treasure Fat Meteorologist wrote: »

Not referring to that road in particular but go safe vans are always in the same locations you just slow down when approaching the places they stop. Certainly this is the case on the routes I travel you just have to slow in certain places and I've rarely if ever see a van in other places.

Random Garda manned speed traps can be anywhere but you don't see them that often anymore.

I suppose it's handy for people who are familiar with road. I drive around the country, so I have to be wary of them everywhere

MuppetCheck

Derpenstein wrote: »

Happened to me again today. In fact, most people are belting it on that road. Are they not worried about getting done? I didn't spot any speed vans today? but jasus, they are playing with fire for the sake of a couple of minutes

I did that spin daily until recently. I noticed the standard of driving gets worse as the morning progresses.

Say you're starting at 8am in Cork - hitting the road about 615 and you see people against the clock taking risks. Same thing an hour earlier for people going in for seven, albeit a little quieter. In the end I started to hit the road at 430 to be in for 6, less messing and a guaranteed 90 minutes door to door.

There are the usual spots for speeding vans but they were becoming less and less frequent. I'd usually tip away at an indicated 110 but would pull it back near their usual haunts - Old Road by the 60 limit heading to Kilmeaden, the twisty bits after Kilmeaden, the layby after the Apple Green in Lemybrien, the 60 limit before Dungarvan, layby at the top of the hill leaving Dungarvan after the 60, the dip in the road near the car restoration place before youghal, Ballintotis lake and the weighbridge in Midleton. It's safe enough outside of those.

Ded_Zebra

OSI wrote: »

Anyone that honestly thinks a 92 MX-5 is safer than anything you could drive off the forecourt today needs their head examined.

Not strictly true. The active safety of the MX-5 is going to be better than just about everything on the road. The passive safety is definitely an awful lot worse. The question is which do you rate as more important?

gctest50

Treasure Fat Meteorologist wrote: »

Total nonsense to be fair.

An modern car is vastly safer in both its tech like abs, traction control, better breaking systems, better handling, better components etc etc etc along with being far far safer in the event of a crash.

bit of an expensive illusion that safety




(there was no-one in the flattened car )

Toyotafanboi

Derpenstein wrote: »

Happened to me again today. In fact, most people are belting it on that road. Are they not worried about getting done? I didn't spot any speed vans today? but jasus, they are playing with fire for the sake of a couple of minutes

As MC said, I would usually do an indicated 110 or so, i'm not too familiar with the placenames but i'd know off by heart where the vans could be.

I've also went past that one at The Pike in Dungarvan at an indicated 80 on a few occasions and never heard anything back. It's not that i'm not afraid of getting done, it's more that i'm aware that there isn't many vans/ locations and even when you do see one, they are reasonably leanient.

I'm also not a madman driver or anything, but when doing a commute that length, keeping pace up as much as possible is crucial, it's such a long commute that leaving more than 15 minutes early isn't feasable, so 10 minutes stuck behind someone doing 65-70 can make a huge difference to you.