Times report - RTE considering sublicencing sports rights

icdg

Interesting report in the Irish Times today regarding RTE possibly sublicencing some sports rights, particularly the Olympics and Euro 2016. TV3 spokesperson saying they are interested. To me this is a massive body blow to RTE if they reduced to effectively selling rights they have already won.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/rté-considers-sharing-2016-sports-rights-1.2445281

ftakeith

icdg wrote: »

Interesting report in the Irish Times today regarding RTE possibly sublicencing some sports rights, particularly the Olympics and Euro 2016. TV3 spokesperson saying they are interested. To me this is a massive body blow to RTE if they reduced to effectively selling rights they have already won.

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/rt%C3%A9-considers-sharing-2016-sports-rights-1.2445281

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/rt%C3%A9-considers-sharing-2016-sports-rights-1.2445281

totally agree its bad for RTEtv sport

RTEtv gets the licence fee and advertising, but if other fta tv channels can share the costs with RTEtv, the live content is still on irish fta tv

RTEtv content is terrible:
their current affairs coverage is terrible why do they need 2 presenters on each primetime programme
their chat shows are just plugging rte tv programmes, music, books, irish celebs and films
RTEtv factual documentaries are terrible
RTEtv arts programmes are crap

satguy

It's a waste of money,, Why we are forced to pay for this garbage every year is beyond me..

What use to us is a state broadcaster if we can't watch our sporting stars in action.. We could just send the BBC to odd 20 spot and a thank you note..

It's been all downhill at RTE since the last ..Hall's Pictorial Weekly..

Roll it there Colette,, and keep rolling, and don't come back..

lertsnim

satguy wrote: »

What use to us is a state broadcaster if we can't watch our sporting stars in action.. We could just send the BBC to odd 20 spot and a thank you note..

The BBC would never lose sporting content would they? Oh wait they have.

ftakeith

satguy wrote: »

It's a waste of money,, Why we are forced to pay for this garbage every year is beyond me..

What use to us is a state broadcaster if we can't watch our sporting stars in action.. We could just send the BBC to odd 20 spot and a thank you note..

It's been all downhill at RTE since the last ..Hall's Pictorial Weekly..

Roll it there Colette,, and keep rolling, and don't come back..

bbc northern ireland and rte to become BBC Ireland

lertsnim

ftakeith wrote: »

bbc northern ireland and rte to become BBC Ireland

That will never happen. It is absolute fantasy on your part.

Dodge

RTE has farmed out a couple of World Cup games in the past to TV3 (when clashing with GAA and not involving high profile teams)

The costs of sending multiple teams to Rio for the Olympics is pretty high but its' likely they'll look at studio based commentators rather than farm it out to TV3

ftakeith

Dodge wrote: »

RTE has farmed out a couple of World Cup games in the past to TV3 (when clashing with GAA and not involving high profile teams)

The costs of sending multiple teams to Rio for the Olympics is pretty high but its' likely they'll look at studio based commentators rather than farm it out to TV3

I thought it was euro 2004 live games

An Tarbh

Dodge wrote: »

RTE has farmed out a couple of World Cup games in the past to TV3 (when clashing with GAA and not involving high profile teams)

The costs of sending multiple teams to Rio for the Olympics is pretty high but its' likely they'll look at studio based commentators rather than farm it out to TV3

It was Euro 2004 and it was the 4 lesser games that were on the same time as RTÉ were showing the main game, although it did end up with Sweden Denmark being shown on TV3, while RTÉ showed Italy Bulgaria.

iseegirls

I really doubt RTE would share the rights out with TV3 for the upcoming Euros, especially with so much interest in it with the teams close to us involved.

Although there are going to be be some awful games too involving some of the lesser known nations in the group stages, like Albania playing Hungary perhaps. Would TV3 even want to go for them if they were given the opportunity?

afatbollix

They have lost the olympics so that is a big saving.

Dodge

afatbollix wrote: »

They have lost the olympics so that is a big saving.

No they haven't. Discovery has the European rights (instead of EBU) but they're likely to sub-contract them out in countries like Ireland. The Olympics have to be shown on terrestrial Irish TV so it'll be RTE or TV3 and TV3 don't have the resources for that

channelsurfer2

would they sub-licence matches to UTV Ireland, which will be owned by ITV next year so that the same schedule will apply on ITV/UTVIRL?

Dodge

channelsurfer2 wrote: »

would they sub-licence matches to UTV Ireland, which will be owned by ITV next year so that the same schedule will apply on ITV/UTVIRL?

In football? Interesting one but I'd imagine the high profile games would stay on RTE

afatbollix

Dodge wrote: »

No they haven't. Discovery has the European rights (instead of EBU) but they're likely to sub-contract them out in countries like Ireland. The Olympics have to be shown on terrestrial Irish TV so it'll be RTE or TV3 and TV3 don't have the resources for that

And Eurosport broadcasts in Ireland so more than likely they will get the full rights and RTE will get a 100 hour package.

Dodge

afatbollix wrote: »

And Eurosport broadcasts in Ireland so more than likely they will get the full rights and RTE will get a 100 hour package.

They don't broadcast in Ireland, in legal terms. It's available here but they don't have any rights here (the way Sky do)

afatbollix

They have bought the rights for all of Europe and they broadcast in Ireland. So they do have the rights and a way of broadcasting said rights. They announced when they got the rights in the summer they were launching a 3rd channel.

Dodge

afatbollix wrote: »

They have bought the rights for all of Europe and they broadcast in Ireland. So they do have the rights and a way of broadcasting said rights. They announced when they got the rights in the summer they were launching a 3rd channel.

They don't qualify for an Irish licence, nor do they fulfill the statutory requirements for the protected list.

Being available to Ireland isn't the same thing

gordongekko

liberty are connected to eurosport and liberty own tv3 so thats the likely broadcaster in Ireland.

reubenreuben

ftakeith wrote: »

http://www.irishtimes.com/business/media-and-marketing/rt%C3%A9-considers-sharing-2016-sports-rights-1.2445281

totally agree its bad for RTEtv sport

RTEtv gets the licence fee and advertising, but if other fta tv channels can share the costs with RTEtv, the live content is still on irish fta tv

RTEtv content is terrible:
their current affairs coverage is terrible why do they need 2 presenters on each primetime programme
their chat shows are just plugging rte tv programmes, music, books, irish celebs and films
RTEtv factual documentaries are terrible
RTEtv arts programmes are crap

Which tv stations are you comparing this too?

afatbollix

Dodge wrote: »

They don't qualify for an Irish licence, nor do they fulfill the statutory requirements for the protected list.

Being available to Ireland isn't the same thing

They only have to offer a slice of the coverage. No red button or online streams. You will probably see all streams on Eurosport like BBC used to do and just one stream on a Irish TV channel switching and swapping sports all day. Same will happen in Uk.


But who knows Eurosport own the rights to the US open tennis but they sell the top matches to Sky as they get more cash for it over advertising.

channelsurfer2

http://www.dcenr.gov.ie/communications/en-ie/broadcasting-media/Pages/Designation-of-Major-Events.aspx

full Olympics covered so Discovery would have to let RTE show it all or provide a free to air means to let the whole population see it.

icdg

Just to be clear, there is no requirement that a qualifying broadcaster actually be licenced in the State. However the key criteria is that the service should be available to 95% of the population of the State on a free to air basis. That would likely limit a "qualifying broadcaster" to channels available on Saorview, though unlike in the UK, there is no process for the regulator to actually declare specific channels to be qualifying broadcasters.

ftakeith

reubenreuben wrote: »

Which tv stations are you comparing this too?

I believe TG4 does things better than rtetv

STB.

afatbollix wrote: »

They only have to offer a slice of the coverage. No red button or online streams. You will probably see all streams on Eurosport like BBC used to do and just one stream on a Irish TV channel switching and swapping sports all day. Same will happen in Uk.

But who knows Eurosport own the rights to the US open tennis but they sell the top matches to Sky as they get more cash for it over advertising.

All of this is incorrect.

icdg wrote: »

Just to be clear, there is no requirement that a qualifying broadcaster actually be licenced in the State. However the key criteria is that the service should be available to 95% of the population of the State on a free to air basis. That would likely limit a "qualifying broadcaster" to channels available on Saorview, though unlike in the UK, there is no process for the regulator to actually declare specific channels to be qualifying broadcasters.

The "Broadcaster" definition is set out in 97/36/EC and refers to those under the member state's jurisdiction.

It is also the "Near Universal Coverage" definition in the Major Television Acts that drives the availability to 95% of population requirement.

In short there are 4 broadcasters that fulfill these requirements as a "qualifying broadcaster".

The Cush

http://www.rte.ie/about/en/working-with-rte/2015/1217/754674-uefa-euro-2016-finals-2016/

UEFA EURO 2016 Finals 2016

17.12.15: Raidio Teilifis Eireann (“RTÉ) is inviting expressions of interest for sub-licence of a package of matches from the UEFA EURO 2016 Finals (the "Event") for live audio-visual transmission within the Republic of Ireland.

Requests to receive the Invitation to Tender document (the “ITT”) should be addressed to Ryle Nugent, Group Head of Sport, RTÉ by e-mail to: ryle.nugent@rte.ie by no later than 5.30 pm on 4th January 2016.

Note that persons who request the ITT must include in their request details of the audio-visual platform(s) on which they would be proposing to transmit sub-licensed matches and their control of or access to those audio-visual platform(s).

In addition, no person shall be entitled to receive the ITT (or take part in the bidding process) until such time as it has signed a non-disclosure agreement with RTÉ in a form acceptable to RTÉ.

RTÉ intend to issue the ITT to interested parties by 5th January 2016 and any questions, queries or clarifications on the ITT should be submitted to RTÉ by email to ryle.nugent@rte.ie by no later than 5.30pm on 8th January 2016. RTE reserves the right to circulate (while withholding the identity of the enquirer) to all interested parties who have received the ITT any answers or clarifications that RTE may elect to provide to any such questions, queries or clarifications.

RTÉ intend that the deadline for bids to be submitted to RTÉ in response to the ITT will be not later than 14.00 on 15th January 2016.
RTÉ is a member of the EBU and the sub-licence process will be subject to the EBU sublicensing rules, details of which are available here.

Any proposed sub-licence will be subject to the approval of the EBU and UEFA and also be subject to compliance by the sub-licensee with UEFA requirements which include without limitation certain broadcast, presentation, technical, and commercial obligations and restrictions.

RTÉ shall not be obliged to grant any sub licence.

This is no more than a request for an expression of interest and constitutes neither a contract nor an offer which is capable of acceptance by any person. This web page and any correspondence from RTÉ pursuant to it does not contain any representation upon which any person is entitled to rely at any point in time in order to bring any claim, action or proceedings against the RTÉ (whether for misrepresentation or otherwise).

The Cush

RTÉ wrote: »

Note that persons who request the ITT must include in their request details of the audio-visual platform(s) on which they would be proposing to transmit sub-licensed matches and their control of or access to those audio-visual platform(s).

I wonder if HD transmission on Saorview will be a prerequisite for any bidder?

icdg

Hardly, it would effectively lead to nil replies.

Sam Russell

icdg wrote: »

Hardly, it would effectively lead to nil replies.

Or a sudden desire to take up HD on Saorview by the particular channel.

icdg

For the sake of a small number of matches over a short period? Hardly likely. No amount of ratings in a short period could justify committing to such a high ongoing cost.

Presumably, RTE will want to retain Republic of Ireland matches, which would attract the highest ratings, for itself.

Harry Palmr

Maybe whoever runs saorview should make it a prerequisite

Elmo

I imagine RTÉ could do a deal with Setanta

lertsnim

Elmo wrote: »

I imagine RTÉ could do a deal with Setanta

It doesn't matter who they do a deal with as it will be SD for FTA viewers meaning for me at least that I will be watching on BBC or ITV.

The Cush

Koloman wrote: »

http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/ireland/article1670361.ece?CMP=OTH-gnws-standard-2016_02_20

Deal done for one-third of matches (22) according to the Sunday Times. Republic of Ireland games will be exclusive to RTÉ.

RTE is selling the broadcast rights for a chunk of this summer’s European Championships to TV3, with the rival station now preparing to show more than a third of the matches.

The deal is being done to raise revenue in what is proving to be a particularly expensive year for RTE, given the station’s coverage of this week’s general election, next month’s 1916 commemorations and the summer Olympics.

It is also understood to be a logistical decision, given the expanded size of Euro 2016. The number of teams taking part in the soccer tournament has grown from 16 to 24, with the number of matches increasing from 44 to 64 this year.

TV3 is buying the rights to broadcast 22 of these matches. These will include games at group and knockout stages but will not include any Republic of Ireland matches. RTE has first preference on which knockout games it chooses to broadcast.

The article continues to say that the deal between them has been largely agreed but has to be signed off by both UEFA and the EBU. RTÉ's rights to Euro2016 are via a 25 nation EBU umbrella agreement with UEFA.

RTÉ invited expressions of interest for a package of matches last Dec - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=98117169#post98117169

The French/German/Italian/Austrian broadcasters have done similar deals

The article also states that RTÉ may be interested in bidding for the Premier League highlights once Setanta's deal expires at the end of the season.

ftakeith

The Cush wrote: »

Deal done for one-third of matches (22) according to the Sunday Times. Republic of Ireland games will be exclusive to RTÉ.



RTÉ invited expressions of interest for a package of matches last Dec - http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=98117169#post98117169

The French/German/Italian/Austrian broadcasters have done similar deals
http://www.sportspromedia.com/news/tf1_in_uefa_euro_2016_deal_with_bein_media_group
http://www.broadbandtvnews.com/2015/12/18/ardzdf-sublicense-euro-2016-rights-to-prosiebensat-1/
http://www.sportbusiness.com/sport-news/rai-and-sky-italia-strike-euro-2016-rights-deal
http://www.sportbusiness.com/sport-news/atv-secures-slice-euro-2016-action-austria

at least the games are live on fta tv here in ireland

the GAA should get TV3 and rte2 to show live GAA throughout the year

The Cush

From today's Irish Undo - Apres Match set to return as RTE agrees to sell some Euro 2016 matches to TV3

ArmaniJeanss

http://www.balls.ie/football/tv-schedule-for-euro-2016/326326

TV3 group games -

11 June England v Russia
12 June Turkey v Croatia, Germany v Ukraine
13 June Spain v Czech Republic
14 June Austria v Hungary
15 June Romania v Switzerland, France v Albania
16 June Ukraine v N.Ireland
17 June Spain v Turkey
18 June Iceland v Hungary
19 June Romania v Albania
20 June Slovakia v England
21 June Ukraine v Poland, Croatia v Spain
22 June Hungary v Portugal, Sweden v Belgium

RTÉ group games -

10 June France v Romania
11 June Albania v Switzerland, Wales v Slovakia
12 June Poland v Northern Ireland
13 June Rep. of Ireland v Sweden, Belgium v Italy
14 June Portugal v Iceland
15 June Russia v Slovakia
16 June England v Wales, Germany v Poland
17 June Italy v Sweden, Czech Republic v Croatia
18 June Belgium v Rep. of Ireland, Portugal v Austria
19 June Switzerland v France
20 June Russia v Wales
21 June Northern Ireland v Germany, Czech Republic v Turkey
22 June Iceland v Austria, Italy v Rep. of Ireland

The Cush

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2016/0303/772349-rte-agrees-euro-2016-sub-licence-with-tv3/

RTÉ has reached an agreement with TV3 to sub-licence 22 of the 51 games at the UEFA Euro 2016 finals.

The agreement, which is the first of its kind between the two Irish broadcasters, will see RTÉ retaining rights for 30 of the games, including all of the Republic of Ireland’s matches, and grants exclusive rights to TV3 for 21 games.

Both RTÉ and TV3 will share rights for the final.

RTÉ2’s coverage of the group stages includes all three Republic of Ireland games, the three Wales matches, two of Northern Ireland’s encounters and one England fixture.

RTÉ2 will also have exclusive live coverage of five round of 16 games, two quarter-finals and both semi-finals.

ftakeith

The Cush wrote: »

http://www.rte.ie/sport/soccer/2016/0303/772349-rte-agrees-euro-2016-sub-licence-with-tv3/

at least all the games are all on Irish TV

mackersdublin

ftakeith wrote: »

at least all the games are all on Irish TV

But not in HD on Saorview. C'mon TV3 get the finger out

Elmo

mackersdublin wrote: »

But not in HD on Saorview. C'mon TV3 get the finger out

Should have been part of the deal IMO. RTE's own stupidity. Also I assume RTE2 have amazing programmes to replace all of that sport.

I though RTE were to also sell conflicting matches. TV3 get to broadcast the Final also, what's the point in this?

icdg

They have, have they not? The only matches that actually clash are the final day group stage games which simultaneously kick off so that no side gets an advantage over another by virtue of the kick off time.

The sharing of the final also happens between BBC and ITV. It makes non sense from a viewer point of view but is very important to the broadcasters. Look at it from TV3's POV in relation to the Champions League where they broadcast every stage up to the semis but can't show the final.

Elmo

Understandable from ITVs PoV as BBC don't sell advertising.

The Dark Knight

Elmo wrote: »

Should have been part of the deal IMO. RTE's own stupidity.......

How on earth could it be any advantage for RTE to have TV3 broadcast in FTV/FTA HD??
The longer the delay the better for RTE, who do have HD offerings.

Elmo wrote: »

..... TV3 get to broadcast the Final also, what's the point in this?

Probably part of TV3's negiotions. No Final - No Deal !!

lertsnim

RTÉ will trounce them in the ratings for the final.

Dodge

lertsnim wrote: »

RTÉ will trounce them in the ratings for the final.

They know that.

The important thing is that TV3's coverage of the final trounces whatever they would have shown in its place

iseegirls

Dodge wrote: »

They know that.

The important thing is that TV3's coverage of the final trounces whatever they would have shown in its place

Yep ita similar to when ITV show the final, and BBC have it as well. I think it's like a 6:1 ratio of viewers normally watching in on the BBC. Same may occur here, but its nice for TV3 to have the final to wrap up their coverage.

Elmo

The Dark Knight wrote: »

How on earth could it be any advantage for RTE to have TV3 broadcast in FTV/FTA HD??
The longer the delay the better for RTE, who do have HD offerings.


Probably part of TV3's negiotions. No Final - No Deal !!

RTÉ would reduce carriage costs on saorview. No HD no Deal.

Sam Russell

Elmo wrote: »

RTÉ would reduce carriage costs on saorview. No HD no Deal.

That would happen anyway if TV3 took up HD. The more bandwidth used, the cheaper it is for everyone.

Saorview should have a minimum spec of 720 by 576 for all SD broadcasts. They would not need legislation to bring that about I would think, just implement it. It would only result in a small change in charges as they all jump together.

Sam Russell

Sam Russell wrote: »

That would happen anyway if TV3 took up HD. The more bandwidth used, the cheaper it is for everyone.

Saorview should have a minimum spec of 720 by 576 for all SD broadcasts. They would not need legislation to bring that about I would think, just implement it. It would only result in a small change in charges as they all jump together.

+1.

Won't be watching any Euro 2016 games on TV3 SD foggy vision, when they will be in HD on either the BBC or ITV. (Don't have Sky).

Elmo

Sam Russell wrote: »

That would happen anyway if TV3 took up HD. The more bandwidth used, the cheaper it is for everyone

That's what I mean RTÉ should have insisted as part of the terms that the winner must go HD on saorview. Weather it was UTV, TG4 or TV3.

saorview could increase SD bandwidth and of HD at a reduced rate.