Sold my car, buyer wants to return it

serato

i sold my 2003 car on donedeal a few days ago,car going well and new 12 month nct,polish guy drove and inspected it,told me it should be quicker and kind of complained he had seen better faster examples,i said no problem and was going in home,when he said if i gave him a low price (€1300 instead of €1850) he would 'take keys documents and it would be his problem,i wouldnt hear from him again' .... so we agreed on his price..next day hes looking for his money back, am i legally in the right to refuse?

Guffy

When it comes to second hand cars its a case of caveat emptar no? Its bought as seen and he has no come back

super_furry

Tell him to whistle for it. He has no comeback.

mckar

I'd say no chance he had made his mind up when he bought it. Did you send of the change of owner slip yet ? I'd tell him you did and there really is no going back when you buy cars privately.

serato

i did send the reg papers off yes, thats why i didnt initially want to give the cash back,because it might take a long time to get them back after going inti his name

dobman88

Ya buy it as ya see it

mckar

Could be a con either try get to keep car and get cash back mabe not either but I wouldn't even trust anyone in that situation. Even if you wanted to give his cash back he's now put you in a situation where you can't sell your car . You don't have the forms to sign it over and you would need to change it back to your name that could take weeks.

166man

Politely explain to him that it's sold as seen with no warranty written verbal or implied.

Then suggest that he jogs on and go inside.

duffman3833

Once you buy privately there is no come back, its Sold As Seen. If he does keep hassling you, report him to guards with his details, happened me before.

Rick_

Did you drive to meet him somewhere, or is he local and you would possibly run into him again?

If you only have a mobile number he contacted you on, and he's not form your area, you can block it so he can't contact you again and pester you about it. But only do this after you've explained to him that the deal is done, no refund will be given and it is his own fault for buying the car if he wasn't happy with it or had it properly checked beforehand.

As another poster has said - caveat emptor. He hasn't a leg to stand on.

filbert the fox

gufc21 wrote: »

When it comes to second hand cars its a case of caveat emptar no? Its bought as seen and he has no come back

No, caveat emptor

acronym Chilli

The guy's being an idiot.

Don't know what make/model the car is, but only 12 years old with 1yr NCT he can surely sell it for €1000 in the morning and only be down €300 even if it has developed some sort of fault.

Maybe he's getting it from home or something (wife not happy he arrived home with a car that he was going to have to tinker with or whatever).

Anyway, as others have said, as you've told the story you're fully in the right. Just be very firm/categorical and not at all confrontational. It's all simply a matter of fact, and now that the paperwork is lodged the whole thing would be a mess to sort out (and you'd have to get it insured/taxed again etc.,). Don't need to labour the point that he did a deal and has to live with it. Rather a deal was done, and things have moved on, and it just can't be undone and you can't be taking the car back from him.

If you get into any kind of to and fro discussion, you'll give him hope that he can talk you round which will drag out the pain (like breaking up!)

bazz26

Tell him take a long walk off a short pier. Private sale so no comeback.

drunkmonkey

I think there is some clause that if he buys it off you in a car park, side side of the road or somewhere like that he has no comeback but if he bought it off you in your house he has come back. I've seen a mate successfully get a Garda to take back bike over this and another mate a car.
But I'd say he doesn't know the law so just give him a brazen face no.

PrettyBoy

drunkmonkey wrote: »

I think there is some clause that if he buys it off you in a car park, side side of the road or somewhere like that he has no comeback but if he bought it off you in your house he has come back.

This is incorrect - private sale, car was sold as seen, he hasn't got a leg to stand on.

Did you keep the logbook or did you give it to him?

Sunny Dayz

I think the fact that he test drove it, and then negotiated the price with you and you worked with him and agreed a lower price. It's his tough luck now that he changed his mind.


Did he say why he wanted his money back??

acronym Chilli

PrettyBoy wrote: »

This is incorrect - private sale, car was sold as seen, he hasn't got a leg to stand on.

Did you keep the logbook or did you give it to him?

+1 I don't think there's any significance to whether you transact on road, your house, his house, or anything else.

If he was in your house and you drugged him or intimidated him that could render the sale invalid.

If you work professionally as a mechanic or car dealer, I believe that might also affect the story (even selling your own car privately, you could be treated as a professional/business). But if the OP was in the trade they probably wouldn't be asking for advice here.

Bio Mech

Tell him it was sold as seen at a low price and that the documents have already been sent off. Ask him not to contact you again. If he hassles you block his number and report him to the Gardai.

The Sidewards Man

filbert the fox wrote: »

No, caveat emptor

Have a day off grammer nazi.

serato

thanks for your input.. its a 03 peugeot 607 diesel,and was taxed until end december,i had it four years and put it thru its third test last week,no issues, i know that if i rang up a dealer or even a breaker and asked to buy a car for less than advertised,saying i wouldnt be back,that id be asked to sign a SIMI trade sale cert,because i did it once 14 years ago, (not the same car!) i did however get the buyer to co sign the receipt 'no warranty given or implied'

Colser

Sounds like a complete chancer,you dont know what hes done with the car in the mean time eg swapped parts. Dont entertain him and even reading about the sale I would have probably refused to sell it to him as he sounded like a pain anyway.

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drunkmonkey wrote: »

I think there is some clause that if he buys it off you in a car park, side side of the road or somewhere like that he has no comeback but if he bought it off you in your house he has come back. I've seen a mate successfully get a Garda to take back bike over this and another mate a car.
But I'd say he doesn't know the law so just give him a brazen face no.

Please stop thinking , the results are putting you in line for a Darwin award

serato

Sunny Dayz wrote: »

I think the fact that he test drove it, and then negotiated the price with you and you worked with him and agreed a lower price. It's his tough luck now that he changed his mind.


Did he say why he wanted his money back??

he said it had a defect,when i asked him what defect,he said everything,and listed every part of the car,when he said battery,i got suspicious,as it has two,and one was brand new for the test,other was only two years and quite healthy,again i had it checked for the test,

Colser

serato wrote: »

he said it had a defect,when i asked him what defect,he said everything,and listed every part of the car,when he said battery,i got suspicious,as it has two,and one was brand new for the test,other was only two years and quite healthy,again i had it checked for the test,

Time to block him now as hes definitely a spoofer ,if he calls to the house ring the guards.
Try googling his phone num. and see what comes up as a matter of interest.

serato

Alistair Strong Eyeteeth wrote: »

Please stop thinking , the results are putting you in line for a Darwin award

ha ha😜 yes,he called to the house,asked to see my license with same car address ,i even gave him luck money...

Rick_

He's chancing his arm and wasting your time and his own. You have the money, he has the car. End of story. If he keeps contacting you, then you contact the guards and report his number for harassment or phone your mobile provider and get them to block his number from contacting you due to nuisance calls, or simply block it on your handset if it allows you to.

Colser

serato wrote: »

ha ha😜 yes,he called to the house,asked to see my license with same car address ,i even gave him luck money...

Dont tell us anymore ..youre too nice and hes taking advantage. Luck money and a huge price drop:(
Hes an a**hole..

filbert the fox

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

Have a day off grammer nazi.

surely you mean grammar

StereoSound

Ask him does he know how to ride a bike and direct him to the sunset. Don't come back. If he calls you again tell him you will get the guards involved. You seem like a lovely lady so keep your guard up.

serato

PrettyBoy wrote: »

This is incorrect - private sale, car was sold as seen, he hasn't got a leg to stand on.

Did you keep the logbook or did you give it to him?

i posted the logbook off,altho he did want to take it with him

listermint

Deal is done,

there is no comeback.

frankly i wouldnt even entertain it, god knows if he took any parts off the car and swapped them with another.

It his car now, its your cash, done.

Voodoomelon

This is my favourite kind of post on Motors.

Squidgy Black

Private sales are always buyer beware.

Car was sold as seen, if he didn't bring a mechanic with him or didn't spot these "faults" that miraculously appeared a couple weeks after he bought it, then that's his own fault.

ianobrien

serato wrote: »

i posted the logbook off,altho he did want to take it with him

That was very wise.

To echo the other posters, its buyer beware. You don't seem like you are in the motor trade so are not an expert. You sold it in good faith and as far as you know it was OK (NCT, etc). He had the chance to get it examined by an expert (a mechanic). The next time he rings I'd tell him if he persists in contacting yoy, you will take the harassment to the Garda

PrettyBoy

serato wrote: »

i posted the logbook off,altho he did want to take it with him

You've nothing to worry about then. Not surprised to hear that he wanted to take it with him, chancing prick. Block his number and enjoy the cash

bear1

Send him a picture of you lodging "his" money into your acc and giving a thumbs up.
Other option would be to say "sure, I'll take the car back plus the 550e in cash extra that I discounted for you".
Some amount of gob****es out there.

Jesus.

serato wrote: »

its a 03 peugeot 607 diesel

serato wrote: »

he told me it should be quicker

Obviously never drove a HDI before

biko

As everyone has said, he bought it as seen.
No comebacks.

NeVeR

serato wrote: »

i did send the reg papers off yes, thats why i didnt initially want to give the cash back,because it might take a long time to get them back after going inti his name

This implies that you did eventually give the cash back ? I hope you didn't !!

cantdecide

Simply tell him to have a conversation with his solicitor who will lay the whole thing out for him in simple terms.

Tigger

speak to him only in Irish thats what i do when my mate from manchester gets uptight
botháir dána cailin báine (i use the everyotheragetsáfadá)

bilbot79

After dropping the price to accommodate hus dissatisfaction then definitely you don't have to give it back

Cee-Jay-Cee

166man wrote: »

Politely explain to him that it's sold as seen with no warranty written verbal or implied.

Then suggest that he jogs on and go inside.

No need to be polite. Tell him to fcuk off, he paid a low ball price on the basis it was his problem from there on in. He's now reneging on your agreement, there is no need to be polite.

MojoMaker

He may have buying it to flip and may have brought to a fellow eastern European mechanic buddy who, knowing a bit more about cars, may have found a few small issues which would eat away at the profit on the deal so he got cold feet and tried the classic intimidation line with you - bit like the Nigerian spammers it only has to work on a small number of punters who give in and refund the money. Then you find the car you get back has an older battery, different tyres, rotten exhaust etc.

job seeker

Tell him suck a lemon.. It's his car now your money. The End.

dingding

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/85427724159436906/

OP Take this advice and tell him to trot on.

drunkmonkey

Alistair Strong Eyeteeth wrote: »

Please stop thinking , the results are putting you in line for a Darwin award

If the buyer believes he was misled he can take a legal action. He's not protected under consumer law that does not mean he can't take a case he just can't take it to the small claims, like I said, i've seen it happen twice.

mickdw

Buyer is clearly a small time trader and the op is clearly not a trader of any description so there is no mileage whatsoever is the argument that the op fooled him.

Cee-Jay-Cee

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If the buyer believes he was misled he can take a legal action. He's not protected under consumer law that does not mean he can't take a case he just can't take it to the small claims, like I said, i've seen it happen twice.

For a car he paid €1300 For??? I don't think so.

Merry Prankster

filbert the fox wrote: »

surely you mean grammar

Surely you mean grammar? (Sorry, Muphry made me do it).

DakarVert

And this is the exact reason to meet in a random car park and use a throwaway sim.