Raw 23/11/2015 *Spoilers*

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James Storm teasing he will at the show

Is Reigns rematch tonight or will HHH punish him

PTH2009

Imagine Brock holding the money in the bank case . He would get a brilliant reaction when cashing it in

Kevin Owens will win it next year id say

I think the Wyatt's will target del rio I think

Rjd2

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I wonder if someone asks in the production meeting "how we starting Raw tonight" and Triple H just chuckles to himself
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:P

seandotcomm

Sheamus is like a bad actor in one of those Jedward Christmas pantos.
But I kinda love it....

martyos121

Well at least Roman is over in Nashville.

J. Marston

"I want my rematch.....tonight."

Never works.

martyos121

I like the idea of Rusev joining the Authority. Was wondering last night what they were going to do with him.

johnnysmack

Possibly tag team of Neville and mark henry? Little and large! Might be good for both of them. Probably won't happen though.

A Primal Nut

Would be a nice way to start a tag-team. They could be cool together for sure!

A Primal Nut

So Jack Swagger is a babyface in this?

This storyline is a mess. I'd love to know how someone can come up with this.

A Primal Nut

Haha "We The People" is a babyface thing now. So I guess pro-immigration is a heel thing now.

martyos121

A Primal Nut wrote: »

Haha "We The People" is a babyface thing now. So I guess pro-immigration is a heel thing now.

Not overly surprising given Vince has a hard-on for Donald Trump, so he'll agree with anything he says.

johnnysmack

Two divas matches in the one night! There's a rarity.

A Primal Nut

Oh, no the PTO on the table again! The idea that doing the PTO on the table is more painful than otherwise is one of the silliest things in Wrestling history.

martyos121

Sick of segments like that which make no sense. Heath Slater coming out to do a country music performance? Ryback isn't happy with this.

Wtf are they at? They have a working relationship with James Storm, that moment would've been perfect for him in his home-state.

Lord TSC

I feel like Raw's main focus should have been establishing Sheamus as a semi-credible champion; at the PPV, he was the butt of a New Day joke, lost his match and then won with a cash in on a guy who had fought two matches that night. So I was happy when the show starts off by showing he still has the allegiance with Rusev, and when Wade showed up too, I thought "Great; let them establish the European Trio as a new dominant heel group".

And then Roman Cena runs through our three (currently) top heels. The babyface, who we're supposed to see as the underdog fighting the authority, ran through the three lads with very little problem to close the show. :rolleyes: It would have done far, far more good for everyone involved if the show ended with Sheamus, Wade and Rusev standing over Reigns; the trio would have looked like a legit force, and Reigns would have got sympathy for the beat down, while putting questions into peoples minds about how he'd overcome these odds.

I don't know.....I just have zero interest in the top story right now. Special shout out to Reign's coming out grinning at the start of the show. Why do WWE always book their top faces to be gormless idiots who find constant screwjobs funny?

If it wasn't for the New Day, I think I'd have given up altogether.

gimmick

Lord TSC wrote: »

I don't know.....I just have zero interest in the top story right now. Special shout out to Reign's coming out grinning at the start of the show. Why do WWE always book their top faces to be gormless idiots who find constant screwjobs funny?

This should be psychology 101. He won his first title. It was robbed off him more or less.He should be angry and pissed off. He should also be showing the effects of the previous night and not be able to go through 3 guys who had a significantly smaller workload.

What reason do we have to get behind Reigns when the actions of last night make his title win very soon a foregone conclusion.

Idiotic.

sky88

gimmick wrote: »

This should be psychology 101. He won his first title. It was robbed off him more or less.He should be angry and pissed off. He should also be showing the effects of the previous night and not be able to go through 3 guys who had a significantly smaller workload.

What reason do we have to get behind Reigns when the actions of last night make his title win very soon a foregone conclusion.

Idiotic.

Its the cena effect how many times has cena been screwed and hes come out and just laughed it off and now it seems to be all faces who do it.

Have reigns come out as a pi**ed off angry face who wants revenge on someone who stole the title on him.

DM_7

I think its good that the Babyface didn't get a beat down and can stand up for himself. D Bryan got beat down all the time and it was boring. Authority beating down the Babyface happens a lot.

Reigns is meant to be a bad ass. He should be booked like one. Even more than he is now.

PTH2009

Jesus the surprise element of wwe is gone. We all knw the winner of the rumble will be a returning superstar Brock/Cena or Byran. Reigns will get his Mania moment etc

Imagine if Rollins makes a quick recovery and comes back to win the rumble. The crowd reaction will be epic

Mr.Nice Guy

I just had to laugh when Reigns ended up having the face-off with Triple H - the semi-retired guy in his forties - whilst Sheamus is standing there on the sidelines like his sidekick. It was a perfect illustration of how Sheamus is a complete afterthought. I really hope it's not going to be Reigns vs HHH for the title at Mania. Please no.

I also agree on the criticism of Reigns smiling on his way out. That was just brainless.

I also thought the New Day segment sucked this week too. Couldn't find anything in the show that I liked. Very poor.

J. Marston

PTH2009 wrote: »

Jesus the surprise element of wwe is gone. We all knw the winner of the rumble will be a returning superstar Brock/Cena or Byran. Reigns will get his Mania moment etc

Imagine if Rollins makes a quick recovery and comes back to win the rumble. The crowd reaction will be epic

Won't see Rollins until Summerslam, I'd say.

sky88

Mr.Nice Guy wrote: »

I just had to laugh when Reigns ended up having the face-off with Triple H - the semi-retired guy in his forties - whilst Sheamus is standing there on the sidelines like his sidekick. It was a perfect illustration of how Sheamus is a complete afterthought. I really hope it's not going to be Reigns vs HHH for the title at Mania. Please no.

I also agree on the criticism of Reigns smiling on his way out. That was just brainless.

I also thought the New Day segment sucked this week too. Couldn't find anything in the show that I liked. Very poor.

I wouldnt mind seeing reigns vs hhh but with the title not involved but with the injuries that are happening and the rock not looking like being involved, i think theyll go this way

Mr.Nice Guy

sky88 wrote: »

I wouldnt mind seeing reigns vs hhh but with the title not involved but with the injuries that are happening and the rock not looking like being involved, i think theyll go this way

It looks like it is a replacement for Rollins as it seemed like they were building HHH vs Rollins for Mania. That match I could have enjoyed because I would have had a bit more doubt about the outcome. Reigns vs HHH doesn't interest me because I'm certain Reigns as the new golden boy will win and I don't see how it benefits Reigns in any way. I'd prefer Reigns vs Lesnar for the title.

Rock Lesnar

PTH2009 wrote: »

Jesus the surprise element of wwe is gone. We all knw the winner of the rumble will be a returning superstar Brock/Cena or Byran.

As long as its Brock smashing through everybody to win the rumble, that'll do me nicely

Ruu

Most generic promo ever from Reigns/Authority. Hiding behind Mrs. H. because you are scared, oh dear. Sheamus should have been made step in instead of H eye to eye with Reigns.

Rock Lesnar

Jesus i taught the opening part was diabolical but iv'e just got to the part of Del Rio and Zeb, this makes no sense to me, still no mention of where Del Rio was or why they are together now

A Primal Nut

PTH2009 wrote: »

Jesus the surprise element of wwe is gone. We all knw the winner of the rumble will be a returning superstar Brock/Cena or Byran. Reigns will get his Mania moment etc

Sheamus was a surprise.

CastorTroy

Pretty forgettable episode. I just go quickly through it these days. Stopped for Slater though, of course.

Lord TSC

DM_7 wrote: »

I think its good that the Babyface didn't get a beat down and can stand up for himself. D Bryan got beat down all the time and it was boring. Authority beating down the Babyface happens a lot.

Reigns is meant to be a bad ass. He should be booked like one. Even more than he is now.

I wouldn't advocate weekly beatdowns, but Sheamus and co. needed to look like a threat to Reigns, and they really didn't.

I agree with the badass statement. Personally, I would have had an angry Reigns storm the ring at the start of the show, cheap shot Sheamus, take a swing at HHH but miss. The Authority retreat up the ramp, Reigns demands his title shot tonight. They say no, but he can face Rusev. Have the main event then, end with Sheamus, Wade and Rusev beating down Reigns. In one show, you've developed sympathy for a badass Reigns and made Sheamus look like a decent roadblock.

Spend the next few weeks with Reigns hunting down Wade and Rusev, taking one out each week, so at TLC it's just him and Sheamus. Instead of just running through them in week one of the feud. One babyface should not dispatch three heels with that much ease in week one of a feud.

Pinkman

Worst Raw of the year by a mile. The main event felt like something thrown together on Smackdown with the rest of the show looking like an episode of Main Event or Superstars. I seriously cannot believe they have Sheamus as the champion. Everyone said that would be the worst possible option for SvS and it's the one they went with. Are they actively trying to get the ratings to dip below 2.0? Putting the belt on someone no one cares about is insane - he doesn't even have heel heat, but 'go away' heat. If they needed a transitional champ why not Ambrose, Owens, a heel Jericho (that feud would actually help Reigns) or even HHH himself holding the belt for a for months considering he is the top heel anyway by default. Reports that HHH was pushing for a Reigns heel turn only for Vince to over rule him confirm that Vince has completelly lost the plot and needs to step down.

How on earth are they going to sell 100,000 tickets for Mania with a roster full of jobbers and no real main eventers who anyone cares about? Apart from Lesnar vs Reigns II and Cena vs Taker what else do they have that won't feel like a B PPV? They need to get a truck load of cash to get The Rock to wrestle, otherwise they are going to have a PR disaster of failing to sell half the tickets. Even last year with a fairly stacked card they only sold 67,000 of the 76,000 seats and that was in California.

Moneymaker

I'm a month now without watching this horrendous TV program. My life is better without it. I see no reason to go back anytime soon. They haven't a clue what they are doing.

Pentecost

I haven't watched an episode in well over a year I'd say. I can get anything I need to see on the internet. Flick through the PPVs on the Network as well. Watch them live occasionally if I'm off work the next day.

Caovyn Lineah

Sheamus / Barrett / Rusev as the authority for the next few months culminating in a huge feud with The Shield. There's no way Seth doesn't get a monster face pop when he comes back.

gimmick

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

Sheamus / Barrett / Rusev as the authority for the next few months culminating in a huge feud with The Shield. There's no way Seth doesn't get a monster face pop when he comes back.

Will only work if they are built strong as a heel group. On the basis of Monday that isn't the case.

SlickRic

They've no fúcking clue what they're doing. People go on about PG, but that has nothing to do with it. Vince has just completely forgotten how to book.

Monday's show should have a had a simple goal - establish Sheamus as champion, establish the stable around him, and make it obvious that Reigns was going to have to overcome incredible odds to get the title. The goal should've been to establish the heels properly.

15 years ago, if heel HHH wins the title, there is no way he's booked like Sheamus, and there's no way DX are booked like Barrett and Rusev were.

Reigns was over at the start of the show. That's the thing. But at the end, barely a peep from the crowd. Why? Because he overcame nothing but a bunch of shíte. He beat them like nobodies. We were told, on their first night as a faction, that the 3 weren't a threat.

Without a threat, you've no hero.

It's basic storytelling, and they're just too lazy...or fúcking OCD...to bother telling it right.

Monday's Raw should've been the easiest show to book. Just establish the fúcking obstacles Reigns will have to get by. Nothing else.

Just have the 3 beat him down mercilessly. That's it. Simple.