Changing Volkswagen passat looking for advice

ellie9438

Hi there
Am looking for advice am currently looking to trade in my volkswagen passat it's a 141 and was going to change to a 161. It has 80000km on the clock. Garage looking for €10000 to change its a 1.6 tdi comfort line . Am not confined to a passat but would need a car that is economical to run as we would do a lot of mileage. Just wondering is €10000 a lot to change

Thanks

La Fenetre

5 Grand a year in depreciation alone, that'd buy me a whole car and run it for a good few years

Nody

Most economical option is 99% of the time to keep your existing car as the new card would also depreciate (and the tax or fuel savings rarely come even close to that number combined).

George Dalton

La Fenetre wrote: »

5 Grand a year in depreciation alone, that'd buy me a whole car and run it for a good few years

Not everybody wants the hassle of running an older car, especially when doing 40,000km per year.

colm_mcm

How much of that is price difference between the new prices of the 2 cars

C.K Dexter Haven

Do you get additional bells and whistles over the 141 version?

La Fenetre

George Dalton wrote: »

Not everybody wants the hassle of running an older car, especially when doing 40,000km per year.

I don't find it any hassle at all when you buy the right motor, you won't be making any money out of me Georgie

ellie9438

Thanks a million for all the replies. We generally change every 2 years due to the mileage. Really looking strongly at it this year due to cost of change and would be open to any make/ model that would be fuel efficient and good for doing high mileage. Concerned about resale value if I move from volkswagen so all advice appreciated.
Thanks

George Dalton

It's hard to beat VW in terms of getting both good resale value and good fuel economy.

MuppetCheck

Skoda Superb might be worth a look too.

ellie9438

Thanks
Thought maybe the skoda alright had also looked at the tucson and quashqai but thought there were a little lighter on the road.

George Dalton

La Fenetre wrote: »

I don't find it any hassle at all when you buy the right motor, you won't be making any money out of me Georgie

If you are doing 40,000km per year in a €5k car then surely somebody is making a few quid out of you

winnie the schtink

George Dalton wrote: »

It's hard to beat VW in terms of getting both good resale value and good fuel economy.

great economy seeing how they spend most of their life on a tow truck

La Fenetre

George Dalton wrote: »

If you are doing 40,000km per year in a €5k car then surely somebody is making a few quid out of you

That's only about 25k miles a year Georgie, no bother to the right motor, and my mechanic charges a very fair and reasonable rate. BTW I hope your Car Valeter doesn't charge too much, some of those cars are absolutely bogging. Shame on your Geogie. :pac:

AMKC

Mazda 6 is a classy car and should be very reliable too.

ellie9438

AMKC wrote: »

Mazda 6 is a classy car and should be very reliable too.

Thanks for that. How would it rate on fuel economy would you think

Thanks

166man

La Fenetre wrote: »

5 Grand a year in depreciation alone, that'd buy me a whole car and run it for a good few years

That's good for you.

Some people like to have new things as their job may necessitate it.

Including fuel tax insurance for a "good few years" over 40k a year must mean you'd be driving some misery box..!

Truckermal

winnie the schtink wrote: »

great economy seeing how they spend most of their life on a tow truck

Driving them for the last 15 years and never ended up on a tow truck funnily enough. .

micks_address

I would have thought changing for 5k a year was pretty good going.. With the relatively high mileage and a new model out since your last change.. I've a friend who has a superb high spec and changes for about 10500 ever two years... He does only about half the mileage of the op and keeps his car spotless..

La Fenetre

166man wrote: »

Including fuel tax insurance for a "good few years" over 40k a year must mean you'd be driving some misery box..!

You're getting confused . . . I don't drive Alfas, VAG or BMW

micks_address

La Fenetre wrote: »

I don't drive alfas, VAG or BMW

What do you drive if you don't mind me asking?
Thanks
Mick

MuppetCheck

MuppetCheck wrote: »

Skoda Superb might be worth a look too.

Isn't it essentially the same car?

micks_address

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Isn't it essentially the same car?

I'd say it's a class above the passat

colm_mcm

I know you're doing a fair few kms, but think you would do better than 5k a year changing every 3 years instead of every 2. Warranty on VWs has gone up to 3 years AFAIK

thierry14

colm_mcm wrote: »

I know you're doing a fair few kms, but think you would do better than 5k a year changing every 3 years instead of every 2. Warranty on VWs has gone up to 3 years AFAIK

Good point

Should use the warranty and sell at 3, will probably lose less than 15k in value too as you said.

I would get a Mercedes CLA 180

Alot better looking than a Passat, starts at 31k

walus

I'm not a big admirer of VW but the new passat looks like in class of its own. It is a good looking car and the interior is fantastic. No point of going for A4 and Audi have spotted just that and are releasing the new car for next year. At this moment in time Passat is the best buy imho.

Jesus.

micks_address wrote: »

I'd say it's a class above the passat

The way the Octy has gone I'd say the Passat now sits directly in between it and the Superb

colm_mcm

I don't think there's that much difference between the current Superb and Passat. If anything the Superb is a bit expensive.

micks_address

thierry14 wrote: »

Good point

Should use the warranty and sell at 3, will probably lose less than 15k in value too as you said.

I would get a Mercedes CLA 180

Alot better looking than a Passat, starts at 31k

Neighbour changes his passat every three years and costs him about 15500

Seems hard to beat 5k depreciation in this segment

micks_address

colm_mcm wrote: »

I don't think there's that much difference between the current Superb and Passat. If anything the Superb is a bit expensive.

I test drove both few weeks ago same day.. I'd take the superb every time..

walus

micks_address wrote: »

I test drove both few weeks ago same day.. I'd take the superb every time..

Just out of an interest...what swings you towards Superb?

mickdw

micks_address wrote: »

Neighbour changes his passat every three years and costs him about 15500

Seems hard to beat 5k depreciation in this segment

Parents buy comfort line passats and It tends to cost them under 14 every 3 years. They do tiny mileage though 50k km over 3 years and yes they do have a diesel.

micks_address

walus wrote: »

Just out of an interest...what swings you towards Superb?

Felt the superb was a much nicer drive and it's a fair bit bigger than the passat. In fairness the superb we drove was 190 bhp style spec with leather etc.. The passat was comfort line (I think?) half leather on the passat.. The superb was fully loaded with kit.. The passat didn't even have a reversing cam.. I like the look of the new passat.. I guess if I was to choose ordering id say octavia then passat then a4, then superb.. The superb probably gives the a6 a run for its money..

What would I buy if I had the cash? An e class Mercedes-Benz.. After driving one during the summer they are really nice to drive!

Jesus.

micks_address wrote: »

its a fair bit bigger than the Passat

That alone almost puts it into the class above

La Fenetre

mickdw wrote: »

Parents buy comfort line passats and It tends to cost them under 14 every 3 years. They do tiny mileage though 50k km over 3 years and yes they do have a diesel.

Had they any bother with DPF's, or are the low mileage DPF problems hyped up ?

ellie9438

Jesus. wrote: »

That alone almost puts it into the class above

Would anyone know how would skoda compare in terms of resale to the passat

mickdw

La Fenetre wrote: »

Had they any bother with DPF's, or are the low mileage DPF problems hyped up ?

No issues due to low mileage. I believe it's when the cars have mileage on them and then get driven on all short journeys that the problems start.

colm_mcm

ellie9438 wrote: »

Would anyone know how would skoda compare in terms of resale to the passat

Usually they'd do well because there was a good price gap between it and the Passat new. They're pretty much the same price new now though. They are def in demand second hand.

goochy

current passat is class above 2014 model. try al hayes motors in portuma he does grt deals . guy in work travels fair distance to buy cars from him . got grt deal trading 2010 passat for new one . al hayes sells cars all over country.

La Fenetre

goochy wrote: »

current passat is class above 2014 model. try al hayes motors in portuma he does grt deals . guy in work travels fair distance to buy cars from him . got grt deal trading 2010 passat for new one . al hayes sells cars all over country.

Will the local dealer not try to fleece you then when it comes to service / warranty because you didn't buy it off them ?

colm_mcm

Not at all. Most are glad of the work.

George Dalton

Plus it is very easy to compare service pricing between dealers on new cars as everything should be very predictable and therefore can be accurately priced in advance.

moleyv

La Fenetre wrote:

Will the local dealer not try to fleece you then when it comes to service / warranty because you didn't buy it off them ?

If you buy a service plan it can either be linked to where purchased or the whole network. Something to be checked out first.

I'm not sure if the 3 years 161e current offer is linked to one or network wide.

MuppetCheck

Deleted User wrote: »

Isn't it essentially the same car?

Yep, hence why it's worth price checking against it. In mid level trim is got more toys for similar money. Compared to a comfortline Passat it's got xenon's and heated seats.

La Fenetre

moleyv wrote: »

If you buy a service plan it can either be linked to where purchased or the whole network. Something to be checked out first.

I'm not sure if the 3 years 161e current offer is linked to one or network wide.

True, but a lot of warranty issues can be borderline and down to opinion, and good will often comes into it. Dealers can usually find excuses for any issue. Unlikely they'll do anyone that didn't buy the car off them in the first place too many favours.

colm_mcm

For a service department, all they care about is servicing. If you're a regular service customer they'll try and look after you. The sales dept that didn't sell you a car won't have any input.

MuppetCheck

La Fenetre wrote: »

True, but a lot of warranty issues can be borderline and down to opinion, and good will often comes into it. Unlikely they'll do anyone that didn't buy the car off them in the first place too many favors.

I've had vag cover things on goodwill from a different dealer within the network and off another brand altogether. For goodwill outside of warranty they're probably one of the best.

La Fenetre

colm_mcm wrote: »

For a service department, all they care about is servicing. If you're a regular service customer they'll try and look after you. The sales dept that didn't sell you a car won't have any input.

Maybe in a large dealers with a lot of staff, but the smaller dealers don't think like that in my experience.

moleyv

If its a warranty thing don't they get approval from VW IRL first, and are paid to do the work?

I'd say it doesn't matter to them as long as the work is approved.

winnie the schtink

MuppetCheck wrote: »

I've had vag cover things on goodwill from a different dealer within the network and off another brand altogether. For goodwill outside of warranty they're probably one of the best.

are you having a laugh or what?

MuppetCheck

winnie the schtink wrote: »

are you having a laugh or what?

No. And half decent trolling usually gets a laugh so I guess I'm not the only one.