Sold 7 year old tyres

double GG

Hi,
I purchased part worn tyres last week but I realized today they are 7 years old. Or at least I think they are DOT (4408) which indicates the 44th week of 2008 I think.

Should I return them as I think the NCT won't allow tyres more than 6 years old. The three itself is in good nick with plenty of thread depth.

coylemj

Secondhand parts typically come with very little in the way of implied warranty, don't start lecturing the seller on consumer rights or you'll get short shrift.

colm_mcm

NCT only note it on the pass sheet.

5W30

As they say "buy cheap, buy twice".

You don't have a leg to stand on as you knew they were part worn tyres however I remember hearing like a year ago that selling part worn tyres will be illegal? Is that in place yet or what?

Senecio

Are there any visible signs of degradation? If not I wouldn't bother trying with part worns.

double GG

That's fine, as I've said the tyres are in good condition. My only fear was the NCT part.

5W30

double GG wrote: »

That's fine, as I've said the tyres are in good condition. My only fear was the NCT part.

Jaysus if it was me I'd be fearing crashing more than the scary NCT test centre!

CiniO

double GG wrote: »

That's fine, as I've said the tyres are in good condition. My only fear was the NCT part.

It doesn't matter for NCT how old tyres are, unless they are cracked or perished, or bulged or below minimum tread, or just damaged in any other way.

7 year old tyres, might work perfectly good if rubbier is not perished or cracked.

milltown

It will be noted as an advisory on your NCT results sheet but not on your cert (if everything else is pass-worthy).

@5W30
On the assumption that everybody has budget constraints, would you prefer a 7 year old quality brand tyre or a shiny new chinese widowmaker?

CiniO

5W30 wrote: »

As they say "buy cheap, buy twice".

You don't have a leg to stand on as you knew they were part worn tyres however I remember hearing like a year ago that selling part worn tyres will be illegal? Is that in place yet or what?

How could they implement it?
If I wanted to sell a a pair of tyres on done deal, how could they stop me from doing so?

scrap_man

CiniO wrote: »

How could they implement it?
If I wanted to sell a a pair of tyres on done deal, how could they stop me from doing so?

they could very easily stop tyre centres from selling part worns. it would however be near impossible to stop somebody selling there old tyres tho

KenjiOdo

double GG wrote: »

Hi,... The three itself is in good nick with plenty of thread depth.

Thread depth alone is not an indicator of a safe tyre.. rubber perishes with age.. imbalance of wear from wheel tracking/alignment from other car and yours.. inside steel could be rusted after improper storage..

I have seen an éxpose of these tyres in the UK.. some horrendous accidents involving these "part worn" tyres..

You might think I'm overreacting, but if that tyre fails when you need it most (Emergency Braking, Swerving etc), its not gonna be pretty. While emergency situations are rare they do happen. It is the Irish mentality "ah sure its grand", but like the old saying "You're money or your life" applies here I think.

5W30

CiniO wrote: »

How could they implement it?
If I wanted to sell a a pair of tyres on done deal, how could they stop me from doing so?

What I meant by my post is that I remember tyre shops weren't allowed to fit part worn tyres, or at least it was planned to introduce such a law.

Nothing stopping you from selling tyres on DoneDeal though.

166man

CiniO wrote: »

How could they implement it?
If I wanted to sell a a pair of tyres on done deal, how could they stop me from doing so?

That's a silly question.


There's a considerable difference between a licensed vendor and a private sale.

Seth Brundle

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Thread depth alone is not an indicator of a safe tyre.. rubber perishes with age.. imbalance of wear from wheel tracking/alignment from other car and yours.. inside steel could be rusted after improper storage..

I have seen an éxpose of these tyres in the UK.. some horrendous accidents involving these "part worn" tyres..

You might think I'm overreacting, but if that tyre fails when you need it most (Emergency Braking, Swerving etc), its not gonna be pretty. While emergency situations are rare they do happen. It is the Irish mentality "ah sure its grand", but like the old saying "You're money or your life" applies here I think.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XzL-ITrOrPU

CiniO

5W30 wrote: »

What I meant by my post is that I remember tyre shops weren't allowed to fit part worn tyres, or at least it was planned to introduce such a law.

If they weren't allowed to fit part worn tyres, then how could they fit tyres which customer brings to them to fit (f.e. set of winter tyres before winter)?

CiniO

166man wrote: »

That's a silly question.


There's a considerable difference between a licensed vendor and a private sale.

Tyre vendors in Ireland are not licensed, so anyone can do it.
If I wanted, I could start offering tyre fitting in my garden.

So I can't imagine how this could be regulated

5W30

CiniO wrote: »

If they weren't allowed to fit part worn tyres, then how could they fit tyres which customer brings to them to fit (f.e. set of winter tyres before winter)?

....

Sell and fit.

What will you ask next? "Why can't they give you free part worn tyres and say they charge you for the fitting?"

CiniO

5W30 wrote: »

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Sell and fit.

What will you ask next? "Why can't they give you free part worn tyres and say they charge you for the fitting?"

Well very good point... Why wouldn't they do it?

In short, this looks quite impossible to legislate for - and that's my point.

selous

I put a car with original tyres (11 years old) through the Nct last week, It passed, but they did draw my attention to them, bought new tyres after, just wanted to see if car was worth spending the money on first,

5W30

CiniO wrote: »

Well very good point... Why wouldn't they do it?

In short, this looks quite impossible to legislate for - and that's my point.

Yeah, the same way shops could sell alcohol to under 18s. Impossible to legislate, it's not like the Gardai are watching them

RustyNut

166man wrote: »

That's a silly question.


There's a considerable difference between a licensed vendor and a private sale.

What licence do I need to sell and fit tyres?

CiniO

5W30 wrote: »

Yeah, the same way shops could sell alcohol to under 18s. Impossible to legislate, it's not like the Gardai are watching them

Shops which sell alcohol must be licensed to do so.
If they don't adhere to rules of that licence, they will loose it.

Unless something similar is introduced for tyre industry, I can't really see a way of doing what you are saying.
And licensing tyre suppliers would be extreme overkill.

quadrifoglio verde

CiniO wrote: »

Shops which sell alcohol must be licensed to do so.
If they don't adhere to rules of that licence, they will loose it.

Unless something similar is introduced for tyre industry, I can't really see a way of doing what you are saying.
And licensing tyre suppliers would be extreme overkill.

Really?
The only thing keeping a car in contact with the road is the tyres.
Don't think it would be overkill myself

Supergurrier

FFS lads what a 7 year old does with his allowance is his business, if he wants tyres what is it to ye ?

Seth Brundle

Locking down on trading of part worns would be messy to legislate for IMO. Technically a tyre with 100km would be a part worn but still be fine.

There are sufficient regulations in place for tyres (e.g. http://www.theaa.com/motoring_advice/legal-advice/tyres.html) to ensure that tyres fitted to cars meet minimum requirements.

However, to buy a second hand tyre in order to save money would be a false economy to me. I'd rather walk than put on a tyre that is likely to put me into a ditch when I need it most!

KenjiOdo

Supergurrier wrote: »

FFS lads what a 7 year old does with his allowance is his business, if he wants tyres what is it to ye ?

Ok, because he owns the road himself?? Faulty/worn/old tyres present a hazard for everyone who travels on our roads! Not only himself!

pippip

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Ok, because he owns the road himself?? Faulty/worn/old tyres present a hazard for everyone who travels on our roads! Not only himself!

Id still prefer part worn continentals on others cars than cheap Chinese crap.

If money is tight then good part worns are a much safer option over none brands.

Supergurrier

KenjiOdo wrote: »

Ok, because he owns the road himself?? Faulty/worn/old tyres present a hazard for everyone who travels on our roads! Not only himself!

Read what i posted again

screamer

Part worn tyres are not tested in any way. Could have been damaged and poorly repaired and the ordinary Joe soap wouldn't know the difference and cost dictates what people buy sadly. It's amazing how people will spend a fortune on servicing cars and run around on skids. In the case of part worn versus cheap new tyres I'd take the cheap new ones. A good tyre shop should have a good range of cheaper options. I've bought cheaper brands made by top manufacturers and they're just as good as the expensive top brands. OP forget the Nct if i had 7 year old tyres it's being in a crash that would worry me most.

KenjiOdo

pippip wrote: »

Id still prefer part worn continentals on others cars than cheap Chinese crap.

If money is tight then good part worns are a much safer option over none brands.

This thread is on age of tyre not about part worn..

Old tyres have a higher chance of failure full-stop regardless of make.

€300 for 4 tyres every 5 years isn't much of an ask??

If your tyres cost €500 each consider getting a new car if can't afford?

JohnBoy26

pippip wrote: »

Id still prefer part worn continentals on others cars than cheap Chinese crap.

If money is tight then good part worns are a much safer option over none brands.

Getting Good part worns is the the thing though. I found it next to impossible to find a good set. Some on here have had better luck than me but most of the partworns I've seen on cars have been poor.

You don't need to go premium to get a good tire. A good mid range tire is not going to cost much more than the budget brands and is a much better option than part worns imo.

pippip

screamer wrote: »

Part worn tyres are not tested in any way. Could have been damaged and poorly repaired and the ordinary Joe soap wouldn't know the difference and cost dictates what people buy sadly. It's amazing how people will spend a fortune on servicing cars and run around on skids. In the case of part worn versus cheap new tyres I'd take the cheap new ones. A good tyre shop should have a good range of cheaper options. I've bought cheaper brands made by top manufacturers and they're just as good as the expensive top brands. OP forget the Nct if i had 7 year old tyres it's being in a crash that would worry me most.

That's scary.

colm_mcm

screamer wrote: »

Part worn tyres are not tested in any way. Could have been damaged and poorly repaired and the ordinary Joe soap wouldn't know the difference and cost dictates what people buy sadly. It's amazing how people will spend a fortune on servicing cars and run around on skids. In the case of part worn versus cheap new tyres I'd take the cheap new ones. A good tyre shop should have a good range of cheaper options. I've bought cheaper brands made by top manufacturers and they're just as good as the expensive top brands. OP forget the Nct if i had 7 year old tyres it's being in a crash that would worry me most.

This line is universally used by tyre salesmen. Oh these ning wans are actually bridgestones budget brand - look at the tread pattern etc.

Not saying you're wrong here, but the majority of the time this claim is nonsense where genuinely cheap tyres are in question.

screamer

Not saying you're wrong here, but the majority of the time this claim is nonsense where genuinely cheap tyres are in question.[/quote]

Not saying you're wrong either but I know for a fact the brands that are made by the big manufacturers and I know for a fact the mileage I have gotten out of them and their reliability as a 600 plus mile a week commuter. I also know of some tyres dealers who don't offer good quality value for money tyres and say oh we don't stock those they're not good when in fact what they mean is we only stock expensive tyres and will make you scared to buy anything else so we can flog premium brands at premium mark ups. ☺

screamer

pippip wrote: »

That's scary.

Not when you understand the tyre game and what you're buying. If you think that's scary pray you never get a blow out on a crappy old part worn that was shone up nicely and flogged to you by some dodgy back street fitter.

pippip

screamer wrote: »

Not when you understand the tyre game and what you're buying. If you think that's scary pray you never get a blow out on a crappy old part worn that was shone up nicely and flogged to you by some dodgy back street fitter.

I think I'd be just as worried buying new tyres from a dodgy back street fitter?

I've got part worns in the past. You're right about who you go to. I've tried one guy and on Belgard road and walked out when I saw what he was trying to sell me. The best place I've been is Tyreland in Finglas. Been to them twice. Worth ringing anywhere your going asking when their next delivery comes in as you have more chance of getting a full set.

I got 4 continental Sport Contact 2 for €48 a corner. I was allowed inspect them myself first. They xray them but that's means nothing to me, marketing. They were perfect, still had the little pointy bits on them, they had that little mileage on them. Cant remember their age but the rubber was perfect. Great grip in wet and dry. Lasted just as long as new tyres, I think actually longer than the brand new uniroyals I had before them.

Just saying from experience I would have no problem with part worn's depending on where they come from and their condition. The risk of them possibly being faulty is nothing compared to those who just get chinese crap on their wheels which by default are ditchfinders, how they are legal is beyond me.

ofcork

I bought a part worn before and only saw after it was 10 years old!

Pops_20

I bought a part worn tyre (Continental Sport Contact) about 6 weeks ago and I only realised after the date of manufacture was 39th week of 2001. 15 years old!!
Needless to say this was a false economy, got rid of them 2 weeks later.

JohnBoy26

Pops_20 wrote: »

I bought a part worn tyre (Continental Sport Contact) about 6 weeks ago and I only realised after the date of manufacture was 39th week of 2001. 15 years old!!
Needless to say this was a false economy, got rid of them 2 weeks later.

Seen one on a car recently with a date from sometime in 2000.

Sh1tbag OToole

7 years isn't terribly old if you're going to eat them up quick.

It also depends on how the tyre was stored. A tyre that has had the sun beating down on it for the past 7 years will be a lot worse than one being stored in a shed

La Fenetre

Part worn tyres are ok for getting a car your selling on cheaply through the NCT
Other than that, if you're keeping the car . . . you're just kidding yourself.

joujoujou

You would be surprised what other people think is OK to have on wheels.

Walking around near tyre place recently, spotted a tyre they took off the car and put on the floor. I took a closer look, as it's tread pattern was quite unusual. And indeed it was...

...that tyre was made in German Democratic Republic! :eek:

HJL

I bought new tyres one time. The following month when i looked at them, they were part worn! :pac:

Fred Swanson

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ironclaw

milltown wrote: »

On the assumption that everybody has budget constraints, would you prefer a 7 year old quality brand tyre or a shiny new chinese widowmaker?

I'd dig a little deeper in my pocket, tighten the belt a fraction and put a shade more value on my life than a 7 year old tire.

CiniO

CiniO wrote: »

It doesn't matter for NCT how old tyres are, unless they are cracked or perished, or bulged or below minimum tread, or just damaged in any other way.

7 year old tyres, might work perfectly good if rubbier is not perished or cracked.

I saw something recently that the stopping distance of the latest tyres is actually longer than that of tyres made a few years ago.

This is because many of the latest tyres are optimised for economy rather than for stopping distance.

joujoujou

Fred Swanson wrote: »

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Unfortunately, no. Had no camera with me.

I was tempted even to take it, but was too far to the place I left my car at.

Really regret now.

Brand was PNEUMANT, manufactured by "VEB Reifenkombinat (something else here)".

CJhaughey

Tyres are an absolute no brainer for me.
I will only fit new tyres to any vehicle that I own, for such a critical part of the car it makes sense to me to fit the best rubber I can afford.
If your wheels are a sensible common size then rubber is actually quite reasonable, the potential cost from an accident is likely to run into many multiples of a set of tyres and over a longer timespan.
Partworns are like a used condom to me.
You don't know who has been on them and what they have been through so avoid!