Clocked car alert.

CJhaughey

Looking around DD for a reasonable diesel estate, and chanced upon this Mondeo, Price looked OK and VRT seemed reasonable.
Mileage looked low enough as well, maybe a little too low for the age and type of vehicle.
Then I ran the reg through the UK MOT history checker and the mileage seems to have taken a big drop back in 2010/11
Just a heads up and another reason why the NCT mileage should be available to anyone.

And another with dubious mileage:
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2010-ford-mondeo-estate-titanium-2-0tdci-150bhp/10738369?offset=20

166man

This kind of craic is absolutely rife in this country.

Any post 2008 diesel I see coming in from the UK instantly raise suspicion. Most of these cars are fleet cars, they don't do 15k miles a year, they do about 3-4 times that and are then sold for pennies at auction.

SCOOP 64

Strange he would put this down.
CAR HAS ONLY 80 k miles!!! U can check it with uk cartell

SCOOP 64

Is there anyway to report these cars?
Hate to see some one ripped off, who dont do checks proberly.

CJhaughey

I reported them to DD.

_Kaiser_

I reported my old Passat to DD recently (it had taken a 100k km haircut from what I sold it with two years ago), gave them all the info and the ad was/is still up (although it doesn't say low mileage!! anymore but the reading is still wrong)

No one gives a toss IMO. All the buyer can do is as many checks as they can first and hope they get lucky

coylemj

CJhaughey wrote: »

I reported them to DD.

Waste of time. I reported a 'for sale' car that had finance outstanding, a fact that the (private) seller never revealed to me in a 30 minute face to face conversation when I met him to look over the car. DD said to report it to the Gardai which was BS since no crime is committed until some mug actually buys the car and that mug wasn't going to be me. Doing the history check was the best €25 I ever spent.

Wibbs

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

I reported my old Passat to DD recently (it had taken a 100k km haircut from what I sold it with two years ago),

Clocked back One Hundred Kilometres? Christ. :eek::mad::mad: Fair play to you reporting it, but as you say few give a toss, but at least you gave enough of a toss to at least try to set the record straight.

visual

Should be reported to garda as its crimal offence to clock car.

_Kaiser_

Wibbs wrote: »

Clocked back One Hundred Kilometres? Christ. :eek::mad::mad: Fair play to you reporting it, but as you say few give a toss, but at least you gave enough of a toss to at least try to set the record straight.

No much higher than that..

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/vw-passat-for-sale/10389751

I sold it 2 years ago with 243,000 km on it Ok so technically 85,000 in the difference but who knows what it really has now. Sold a week ago apparently according to motortax.ie

Duke O Smiley

I'm sorry but the actual notion of a post 2008 UK reg diesel car over here with five figure mileage is just laughable

Noccy_Mondy

Trying to pass a car with 220,000 miles as one with 80,000 miles is pure brazen. Obviously that car will have lots of wear and tear due to it's high mileage. Fairly obvious to the average joe, one would think.

166man

Noccy_Mondy wrote: »

Trying to pass a car with 220,000 miles as one with 80,000 miles is pure brazen. Obviously that car will have lots of wear and tear due to it's high mileage. Fairly obvious to the average joe, one would think.

You'd think that alright, however these are rep cars. 99% of the time the only person in it is the driver. Now you may get wear on the drivers seat and steering wheel but that's easy to pass off.

DOS has it spot on. Any 5 figure post 2008 UK diesel would want to be seriously looked at.

PaulKK

Didn't he say 220k km and reduced by 85k km.

I'd guess dropping 85k km or 50k miles would be standard practice for these guys.

.red.

_Kaiser_ wrote: »

No much higher than that..

https://www.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/vw-passat-for-sale/10389751

I sold it 2 years ago with 243,000 km on it Ok so technically 85,000 in the difference but who knows what it really has now. Sold a week ago apparently according to motortax.ie

It also has a full service history.........

The middle inch

I traded in my 2005 Focus last April, with over 387000km on it. It failed the NCT a month earlier. In August i saw it on DD advertised with a new NCT issued in July, with 147000km, the ad included a photo of NCT cert.
I queried the NCTS about this. They confirmed a valid cert had been issued for the car in July with the odo reading of147k. When I asked does the previous higher readings from tests in 2009, 2011, 2013 and 2015 ( the person I spoke to was able list off the milage from each test to me) not flag in their system, the response i received was "this is not of interest or concern to the NCTS", and if I wanted to take matters further i could report it to the Gardai or the RSA as they specify the requirements for the NCT.
It really bugs me on so many levels.
1 - Someone is buying a car thinking its low milage, when it actually 240000km more on it.
2 - It shows how worthless the NCT cert is in terms of actual safety when ont of the major factors in the safety of a car can be manipulated, yet a cert can be issued despite the database having the previous readings. The service actually facilitates fraud to take place. This is the only point in the life of a car where the state systematically records milage but does nothing with it.

I have approached the RSA about this but have yet to receive a reply.

bucketybuck

visual wrote: »

Should be reported to garda as its crimal offence to clock car.

No, the act of changing a vehicle mileage is not a criminal offence.

bucketybuck

The middle inch wrote: »

2 - It shows how worthless the NCT cert is in terms of actual safety when ont of the major factors in the safety of a car can be manipulated, yet a cert can be issued despite the database having the previous readings.

The NCT is concerned with the roadworthiness of the car, the mileage is not relevant to that.

CJhaughey

Fairplay to DD they have pulled the ads, both of them no longer listed.

bucketybuck

bucketybuck wrote: »

No, the act of changing a vehicle mileage is not a criminal offence.

Perhaps not specifically, but it certainly amounts to fraud.

Blut2

NCTS should have a facility online where you can input a car's reg, and see the mileage at each of the prior NCT tests.

It would cost very little, but go a big way in helping to reduce clocking.

The Sidewards Man

CJhaughey wrote: »

I reported them to DD.

The DD police will deal with it.

mickdw

bucketybuck wrote: »

The NCT is concerned with the roadworthiness of the car, the mileage is not relevant to that.

Ya ok it would be rough on a new owner to be refused an nct because the mileage didn't correspond.
They could very simply print the mileage in red and add odometer discrepancy beside it.

CJhaughey

Blut2 wrote: »

NCTS should have a facility online where you can input a car's reg, and see the mileage at each of the prior NCT tests.

It would cost very little, but go a big way in helping to reduce clocking.

Thats the same system the UK has started doing, it shows the previous MOT results and is even more difficult to implement with MOT garages being independent

mickdw

That mot check is excellent.
Much as I was aware of uk stuff having a high chance of being clocked, a half an hour on donedeal today has opened my eyes even wider.
In one case a mondeo had 250k miles and was showing 150k on donedeal.

R.O.R

bucketybuck wrote: »

No, the act of changing a vehicle mileage is not a criminal offence.

Yes it is.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2014/act/3/section/14/enacted/en/html

BMJD

I was pleased to see my odometer reading being recorded on Friday as I got my wheel alignment done, hopefully this kind of thing will become more widespread, leading to a reliable database being built up.

bucketybuck

R.O.R wrote: »

Yes it is.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2014/act/3/section/14/enacted/en/html

I stand corrected, I was informed that you could do what you wanted to your private property, the offence was to purposely misrepresent that property if trying to sell it.

That law basically says that if you have a scrap car sitting in a field it would be an offence to take some screwdrivers and tinker with the speedo, which seems overly intrusive but so be it.

bucketybuck

bucketybuck wrote: »

That law basically says that if you have a scrap car sitting in a field it would be an offence to take some screwdrivers and tinker with the speedo, which seems overly intrusive but so be it.

No, not really....

"Where a person is charged with an offence under this section it shall be a defence to show that at the time of the alleged offence the person was acting in good faith in order to test, repair or replace the odometer of the mechanically propelled vehicle."

unkel

coylemj wrote: »

Waste of time.

Disagree.

I've reported about 10 cars to DD over the years and yes, I did get the "report it to the Garda" standard reply a couple of times, but when I pointed out to DD that the Gardai are irrelevant here and that it is DD's responsibility to act upon information given to them, they always took down the ad. Pretty quickly too, usually within the hour.

eringobragh

You'd wonder what the point is in shaving just 20k miles off the clock? 2 examples, look like the same seller:

http://cars.donedeal.co.uk/cars-for-sale/2010-ford-mondeo-zetec-turbo-diesel-4499-no-less/10362255?offset=22

Registration number: EX60OZP
MOT history of this vehicle
Test date2 October 2014
Expiry date5 October 2015 Test Resul tPass
Odometer reading 149,569 miles
MOT test number 8264 0557 4247

2010 ford mondeo ztec turbo diesel €4499 no less.

alloys with very good tyres / front fog lights /

parking sensors / multifunction steering wheel

5 door hatch back modle / dolphin grey in colour

THIS CAR LOOKS AND DRIVES LIKE NEW

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ONLY CALL TODAY IF YOU HAVE THE FULL ASKING PRICE

CAR WILL NOT BE SOLD FOR ANY LESS

NO TEXTS ANSWERED

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130K FULL SERVICE HISTORY

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UK REG

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VRT €2300

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http://cars.donedeal.co.uk/cars-for-sale/2011-volkswagen-passat-cc-170bhp-gt-dsg-auto/10084606?offset=18

Registration number: GF11YPZ
MOT history of this vehicle
Test date 7 August 2015
Expiry date 14 August 2016
Test Result Pass
Odometer reading 141,458 miles
MOT test number2382 6921 5279

2011 VOLKSWAGEN PASSAT CC GT 170 BHP AUTOMATIC DSG

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FULL SATELLITE NAVIGATION SYSTEM

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RARE COLOUR CASHMERE BROWN

'

2L TURBO DIESEL 170BHP . 5 SEATER MODLE

'

120.000 K ON CLOCK FULL SERVICE HISTORY

screamer

I know too many people who've been burned with bangers.

cars with full service history are usually all stamped from the same place as they spent half an hour making it up and stamping it to suit. Caveat emptor as the saying goes.

SCOOP 64

screamer wrote: »

I know too many people who've been burned with bangers.

cars with full service history are usually all stamped from the same place as they spent half an hour making it up and stamping it to suit. Caveat emptor as the saying goes.

I find cars with full service history majority of the time are service at the same place ,because people stick with who they know for service, main dealer full stamps,will always be same place for locality.

Boskowski

Blut2 wrote: »

NCTS should have a facility online where you can input a car's reg, and see the mileage at each of the prior NCT tests.

It would cost very little, but go a big way in helping to reduce clocking.

I approached them with that several years ago but never even got a reply.

George Dalton

eringobragh wrote: »

You'd wonder what the point is in shaving just 20k miles off the clock? 2 examples, look like the same seller:

That Mondeo had 149,000 miles on it in October 2014 so potentially had 185,000 or so on it by the time our Donedeal friend got his hands on it.

Seth Brundle

R.O.R wrote: »

Yes it is.

http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2014/act/3/section/14/enacted/en/html

For all the enforcement of it out there, it isn't really.

Incidentally - I wonder what the mileage on the car was - was it at 97k or 117k when it sold?...
http://www.ccpc.ie/sites/default/files/2015_09_21Complicance_Notice.pdf

eringobragh

George Dalton wrote: »

That Mondeo had 149,000 miles on it in October 2014 so potentially had 185,000 or so on it by the time our Donedeal friend got his hands on it.

Good catch my eyes playing tricks on me , thought it said 2015.

Done a test on DD and alot of the UK cars on there have dubious mileage.

Absolute scum

mickdw

eringobragh wrote: »

Good catch my eyes playing tricks on me , thought it said 2015.

Done a test on DD and alot of the UK cars on there have dubious mileage.

Absolute scum

It is far more wide spread than I thought having spent a while checking cars against mot records.
To be fair, real dealers on donedeal seemed very much legit in terms of mileage.

It's the ads from the fella selling a few on the qt that are dangerous.

bazz26

With the way the euro/sterling exchange rate has been for the last while the only way these car park wheeler dealers can make money is by buying cheap high mile rep mobiles at auctions and then shaving them.

In saying that if there wasn't a market here then these guys wouldn't be doing it but there are still people out there that are blinded by cheap prices and put all common sense and prudence out the window in search of a bargain.

colm_mcm

People should report these ads. Donedeal are very good once you do.

mickdw

colm_mcm wrote: »

People should report these ads. Donedeal are very good once you do.

I reported the first one I came across. They had it gone in an hour.
Ad appeared again with no mileage listed.

eringobragh

colm_mcm wrote: »

People should report these ads. Donedeal are very good once you do.

Fair point - some decent skin got the mondeo taken down and I just reported the passat myself

Noticed an awful lot of them were also pulling the plates or covering them with 2011 signs

colm_mcm

The Mondeo was me. Took 6 mins from when I did it.

eringobragh

colm_mcm wrote: »

The Mondeo was me. Took 6 mins from when I did it.

Ha fair play, the Passat was taken down in less than 6 minutes!

ianobrien

SCOOP 64 wrote: »

I find cars with full service history majority of the time are service at the same place ,because people stick with who they know for service, main dealer full stamps,will always be same place for locality.

Well, I'm getting mine serviced by the same dealer all the time (the supplying dealer). I also have the receipts thrown into the file box with the diesel receipts.

Then again I'm not the typical Irish motorist.

Massey188

I was just wondering if a website exists for cars with northern-Ireland registrations to check the MOT odometer readings. The site link attached previously only seems to work for English registrations. If anyone knows of such a site where the mileage can be checked free of charge for NI a reg i would appreciate if you could put up the link.

mickdw

Was wondering the same myself!

CJhaughey

Not available to my knowledge.
The North would be a simpler system again as they have centralised testing just like the the NCT except its run by the DVA in NI not a private company.

Massey188

Thanks for the quick reply. Found that website very helpful and enjoy scoping out cars off done deal using it. Pity there is nothing available for NI as I find a lot of NI cars that I'd like to check out of curiosity