Is it because I'm Hindu?

An Claidheamh

An Indian man claims his daughter was not allowed into a school because she is not Catholic. Claims now she can't go to preferred school with neighbours.

Queue morons protesting at Dail and Twitter poster of little girl and hashtag activists .....

Turns out he was late applying for the school. Didn't mind it was Catholic before he was too late with the application.

And doesn't want to have to commute 30 minutes in the morning to school .....like most people. ... So of course insists he is preferentially treated and sets up website.

School never asked their religion or for her to be baptised.



http://www.thejournal.ie/walk-for-eva-dublin-2425788-Nov2015/


Do protestors even learn the facts anymore?

endacl

Good protest topic. Bad protest example.

The Randy Riverbeast

Where are you getting the being late for application and that he wants preferential treatment?

I heard about the protests but they were advertised to be about discrimination in school applications in general rather than about just his situation.

bop1977

Never let the truth get in the way of a good story.

XR3i

te uwaka

petrolcan

OP, how do you know that they were late with the application?

La Fenetre

They'll soon be spitting on catholic national school girls like they did in NI

Dr.Internet

The principal wrote to them on November 20th, 2014, saying their application had been late. “We do not operate a policy of exclusion of non-Catholic children . . .http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/hindu-family-fails-to-get-place-for-child-in-local-school-1.2388898

It appears their child was used to promote an agenda by certain quarters

MonsterCookie

Dr.Internet wrote: »

The principal wrote to them on November 20th, 2014, saying their application had been late. “We do not operate a policy of exclusion of non-Catholic children . . .http://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/hindu-family-fails-to-get-place-for-child-in-local-school-1.2388898

It appears their child was used to promote an agenda by certain quarters

What agenda?

according to that article the father was told that they were on a waiting list but that priority would be given to catholic kids from the parish and that while there was no exclusion policy to prevent non Catholics, they would be down the list of priority.

Paramite Pie

The school clearly says that non-Catholics are lowest priority (in a public school!!) and that they're entitled to do so. In this case it is discriminatory.

Length of time on the waiting list means nothing apparently -- new applications will get ahead if their Catholic.

There should be no religious national schools -- only private ones.

La Fenetre wrote: »

They'll soon be spitting on catholic national school girls like they did in NI

What on earth makes you say that....?

DM addict

An Claidheamh wrote: »

School never asked their religion or for her to be baptised.


http://www.thejournal.ie/walk-for-eva-dublin-2425788-Nov2015/


Do protestors even learn the facts anymore?

Do OPs even read their own links anymore?

From the Journal article:

Roopesh contacted the Dublin Archdiocese and the Department of Education for advice on the matter. He said he received a phonecall from the Archbishop’s office advising that he baptise his child, leaving him furious.
“They asked how they could help, and when I explained my situation they suggested that I should baptise my daughter in order to secure a school place.
“I was shocked that they would say this, I couldn’t believe that they would suggest that my daughter change her religion."

maneno

He wants the policies to change to suit him yet he complains about schools having RC patronage. Each school has its own enrolment policy and from experience sibling policy takes the bulk of places,why can't people find things that suit them instead of trying to change it to suit their agendas.30mins to school ain't a biggie

Chancer3001

IT LAYS EGGS!!!!!!!

Hahahahahahaha

mcko

People tend to forget that they are religious schools, we do not operate many porper state schools, the Church of Ireland would have the exact same policies as would any religious school. I am a non believer and do not attend mass etc but the Catholic Church should get a pat on the back for allowing non catholics into their schools at all, I bet if you went to India you would be at the bottom of the list for a Hindu school.
The church should close all their schools and tell the govt to set up their own state schools.
My son goes to the local catholic secondary school, he did the entrance exam as all the other kids who wanted to go there, an English muslim kid was going back to England so he did not bother sitting the exam. His parents decided to stay in Ireland and guess what he had his own private exam a couple of months after the rest.
Rues are rules my daughter is in 5th class and she might not get into our prefered sceondary school.

PM me nudes

What's a hindu?

Lays eggs

Nodin

An Claidheamh wrote: »

http://www.thejournal.ie/walk-for-eva-dublin-2425788-Nov2015/


Do protestors even learn the facts anymore?

Do OP's read the articles they link to anymore? Because yours doesn't back up what you claim by a long shot.

Badly Drunk Boy

Yer man is being interviewed on Ireland AM on TV3 at the moment.

pickarooney

It's an abomination that the catholic church still gets to decide which children can get an education and that the government sanctions this.

Pelvis Parsley

The journal is a lazy joke.

sonny.knowles

PM me nudes wrote: »

What's a hindu?

Lays eggs

No, that's a hen. Hen and Hindu are different things altogether.

pwurple

The child got a place in a school. Just not the school he wanted.

Annasopra

pwurple wrote: »

The child got a place in a school. Just not the school he wanted.

Yeah half an hour drive away. Why shouldnt local schools accomodate local people?

Peregrinus

pwurple wrote: »

The child got a place in a school. Just not the school he wanted.

Yes, and furthermore the child got a place in a Catholic school. Which tells us two things.

1. The guy has no objection to Catholic schools, or to Catholic education. As far as I can make out from the rather badly-written Journal article, it seems that all the schools he applied to were Catholic schools.

2. It's not the case that non-Catholics are excluded from Catholic schools, since in fact the child is in a Catholic school. It's that they have less opportunity to choose which Catholic school they would prefer to go to.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Yeah half an hour drive away. Why shouldnt local schools accomodate local people?

The gaelscoil in my area has a waiting list with kids names on it from when they've been born.
Preference is given to children who has or had a brother or sister go to the same school before them, and to children who are coming from the gaelscoil playschool. Is that wrong too?

The catholic secondary school I attended was owned by the convent. The land and the building. The kids who never had lunch were fed by the nuns, and the kids who came from a home with two alcoholic parents had her school uniform washed by the nuns, and the nuns made sure they had copies/pens and whatever else they needed to be in school.

Not on your life my Hindu friend

Peregrinus

LexieOnRale wrote: »

The catholic secondary school I attended was owned by the convent. The land and the building. The kids who never had lunch were fed by the nuns, and the kids who came from a home with two alcoholic parents had her school uniform washed by the nuns, and the nuns made sure they had copies/pens and whatever else they needed to be in school.

And I'm sure the nuns would have done such things just as happily for a non-Catholic child as for a Catholic child, wouldn't they?

listermint

mcko wrote: »

People tend to forget that they are religious schools, we do not operate many porper state schools, the Church of Ireland would have the exact same policies as would any religious school. I am a non believer and do not attend mass etc but the Catholic Church should get a pat on the back for allowing non catholics into their schools at all, I bet if you went to India you would be at the bottom of the list for a Hindu school.
The church should close all their schools and tell the govt to set up their own state schools.
My son goes to the local catholic secondary school, he did the entrance exam as all the other kids who wanted to go there, an English muslim kid was going back to England so he did not bother sitting the exam. His parents decided to stay in Ireland and guess what he had his own private exam a couple of months after the rest.
Rues are rules my daughter is in 5th class and she might not get into our prefered sceondary school.

Your a non believer yet the catholic church should get a pat on the back for allowing non Catholics into wholey state funded schools.....

State funded... You know the same state that picked up the entire tab for the abuse that was doled out by the same catholic church that sits on hundreds of millions of assets across this country.

Non believer ehh yeah...

This is state sponsored discrimination and it is not even legal in the work place so how 'praytell' should it be legal when our children are concerned exactly.


In some detail if you please.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Peregrinus wrote: »

And I'm sure the nuns would have done such things just as happily for a non-Catholic child as for a Catholic child, wouldn't they?

One of the Muslim girls in my class spent so much time in one of the nuns office during classes she was exempt from, (Irish and religion).
There was 4 Muslim kids in my year and they all seemed to have a great relationship with the religious figures in the school. Chaplin and nuns. They were treated the same as everyone else.

To Elland Back

LexieOnRale wrote: »

The catholic secondary school I attended was owned by the convent. The land and the building. The kids who never had lunch were fed by the nuns, and the kids who came from a home with two alcoholic parents had her school uniform washed by the nuns, and the nuns made sure they had copies/pens and whatever else they needed to be in school.

Commendable deeds, but are you saying that non-catholic children from the same circumstances and with the same needs couldn't/wouldn't be looked after if they were let in to your old school?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

listermint wrote: »

Your a non believer yet the catholic church should get a pat on the back for allowing non Catholics into wholey state funded schools.....

State funded... You know the same state that picked up the entire tab for the abuse that was doled out by the same catholic church that sits on hundreds of millions of assets across this country.

Non believer ehh yeah...

This is state sponsored discrimination and it is not even legal in the work place so how 'praytell' should it be legal when our children are concerned exactly.


In some detail if you please.

State funded? The state may pay the teachers wages, but a lot of the buildings and land are still owned by the church, and church money is used to assist in running the school and helping the disadvantaged children.
I didn't see the government supplying lunches to kids who didn't have any.

One eyed Jack

Joeytheparrot wrote: »

Yeah half an hour drive away.

There are plenty parents have to drive their children half an hour to school. I don't know why there's been such a big deal made of this, it's nothing.

Why shouldnt local schools accomodate local people?

The school is accommodating local people, this guys daughter just didn't get a place in any of the schools he wanted. He is perfectly entitled to campaign for whatever reason he likes. I'm perfectly entitled to dismiss the validity of his claims out of hand as nonsense.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

To Elland Back wrote: »

Commendable deeds, but are you saying that non-catholic children from the same circumstances and with the same needs couldn't/wouldn't be looked after if they were let in to your old school?

There was lots of kids from different faiths (1 Buddhist, a few jehovah witnesses, a few Muslims and some Protestant kids), none of them came from disadvantaged backgrounds and didn't need additional support, like the majority of the students. But I'm sure if they needed the help, it would have been provided.

My point is, it was a catholic school, the nuns were there to help the most vulnerable students, they fed them, made sure they had clean uniforms, and ensured they had the supplies needed to be at school. They had a nun who would liase with the family when kids not going to school/missing too many days was a problem.

Sure it was a ”state funded school" but the churches money went into that too, for the good of all students.

listermint

LexieOnRale wrote: »

State funded? The state may pay the teachers wages, but a lot of the buildings and land are still owned by the church, and church money is used to assist in running the school and helping the disadvantaged children.
I didn't see the government supplying lunches to kids who didn't have any.

Complete horse****.

It is nearly 100%state funded anything else is funded by the parish I.e. handouts from the community.

The church got a sweet heart deal in compensation for the hundreds of millions the taxpayers had to pick up so those buildings and lands that you keep referring to are tainted by history .

An extremely wealthy organisation dishes out the worst abuse in history en masse in this country and slivers out of picking up the tab .

And you want the tax payer to give them kudos? You do know they got wealthy from the state paying them money for housing children for decades but most of the money not going to the care of the children. Right ?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

Handouts from the catholic community, no? Or do you make a donation to the Catholic Church as an athiest?

listermint

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Handouts from the catholic community, no? Or do you make a donation to the Catholic Church as an athiest?

Who said I'm an atheist ?

I was brought up a catholic not that has a single thing to do with this discussion. Not sure what my personal life has to do with the point I'm making.

I know full well about the hand out baskets the letters home to parents the maintenance fees .

Who do you think pays for all that the priest out of his side job ?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

You're saying the school is almost 100% state funded due to handouts from the community. I'm merely asking are the handouts coming from the entire community or the Catholic community?

One eyed Jack

listermint wrote: »

Complete horse****.


It is nearly 100%state funded anything else is funded by the parish I.e. handouts from the community.

The church got a sweet heart deal in compensation for the hundreds of millions the taxpayers had to pick up so those buildings and lands that you keep referring to are tainted by history .

An extremely wealthy organisation dishes out the worst abuse in history en masse in this country and slivers out of picking up the tab .

And you want the tax payer to give them kudos? You do know they got wealthy from the state paying them money for housing children for decades but most of the money not going to the care of the children. Right ?

It was decent of you to precede your post with a description.

listermint

LexieOnRale wrote: »

You're saying the school is almost 100% state funded due to handouts from the community. I'm merely asking are the handouts coming from the entire community or the Catholic community?

Does it matter ?

They get money from the basket collection selling bits directly to parishioners.

The get the the reminder by asking parents that's all paretms catholic or otherwise to contribute eah year .

And the bulk of all the money is from the state 100% teachers wages which as you know is the number one cost and then state subsidies for the school

Yet you seem to think the priest and nuns are paying for all this ...

Strange that

listermint

One eyed Jack wrote: »

It was decent of you to precede your post with a description.

Any opinion on the content or are one liners good for you ?

keithclancy

Ah, so now because he has a tan and an exotic religion, people go out and protest.

Yet when an Irish athiest experiences the same thing people think they are weirdos.

Go figure.

qo2cj1dsne8y4k

listermint wrote: »

Does it matter ?

They get money from the basket collection selling bits directly to parishioners.

The get the the reminder by asking parents that's all paretms catholic or otherwise to contribute eah year .

And the bulk of all the money is from the state 100% teachers wages which as you know is the number one cost and then state subsidies for the school

Yet you seem to think the priest and nuns are paying for all this ...

Strange that

The Catholic community are contributing to a catholic school so I hardly see that as "taxpayers" being fleeced as all donations are completely optional.
Parents making donations to the school (was never asked in the Catholic school I went to, FYI) have children in the school.

LDN_Irish

LexieOnRale wrote: »

State funded? The state may pay the teachers wages, but a lot of the buildings and land are still owned by the church, and church money is used to assist in running the school and helping the disadvantaged children.
I didn't see the government supplying lunches to kids who didn't have any.

Why are you talking about the church like they're a less dodgy version of Denis O'Brien? Like they made a few wise investment decisions and ended up inadvertently owning all the schools and are now good enough to run them.

One eyed Jack

listermint wrote: »

Any opinion on the content or are one liners good for you ?

I gave you my opinion on the content, but for the sake of discussion, what has any of that got to do with the case in the OP where this idiot wants to take religion out of all schools, because his child didn't get into the one he wanted?

Would we have heard a peep out of him if she had? I think the word we're looking fot here is "self-serving". The comical thing is, the same people who are campaigning with him, are be the very same people who mock his religion (well, I suppose they would if they knew anything about it, but that doesn't stop them mocking Catholicism).

Something very "enemy of my enemy is my friend" about the whole deal tbh.

LDN_Irish

One eyed Jack wrote: »

I gave you my opinion on the content, but for the sake of discussion, what has any of that got to do with the case in the OP where this idiot wants to take religion out of all schools, because his child didn't get into the one he wanted?

Would we have heard a peep out of him if she had? I think the word we're looking fot here is "self-serving".

I don't know what you mean with your first paragraph. How does he want to "take religion out of schools?" He's making the perfectly reasonable case that schools that are being funded by the taxpayer should not be able to give preference to children's admission based on their religion. That's not a wild assertion.

Your second paragraph is probably true but it's irrelevant. Jews probably complained more about the Holocaust but that doest mean they were wrong.










Just thought I'd throw a Godwin in there early to get the ball rolling.

Tasden

One eyed Jack wrote: »

Would we have heard a peep out of him if she had? I think the word we're looking fot here is "self-serving". The comical thing is, the same people who are campaigning with him, are be the very same people who mock his religion (well, I suppose they would if they knew anything about it, but that doesn't stop them mocking Catholicism).

Something very "enemy of my enemy is my friend" about the whole deal tbh.

Not all those who want/campaign for schools to be non denominational mock religion. Whether it's Islam or Catholicism or any other religion.

Menas

Our kid was refused entry to the local irish speaking school because I cant speak irish fluently. Can we shoe horn that protest in to this one?

sbsquarepants

Menas wrote: »

Our kid was refused entry to the local irish speaking school because I cant speak irish fluently. Can we shoe horn that protest in to this one?

Yes - what has your ability to speak Irish got to do with your kids education?

What a nonsensical "point" to make.

If you can't do quadratic equations should your kid be barred from doing maths in his leaving cert?

One eyed Jack

LDN_Irish wrote: »

I don't know what you mean with your first paragraph. How does he want to "take religion out of schools?" He's making the perfectly reasonable case that schools that are being funded by the taxpayer should not be able to give preference to children's admission based on their religion. That's not a wild assertion.

And I would take that point, were the campaign not solely concerned with his daughter and her welfare. The other point worth making here is that the State pays for the children's education, that's not funding the school. The State is fulfilling it's constitutional obligation by providing for education (albeit outsoirced to the handiest management company )

Your second paragraph is probably true but it's irrelevant. Jews probably complained more about the Holocaust but that doest mean they were wrong.

Just thought I'd throw a Godwin in there early to get the ball rolling.

The second point is very relevant. Now we have a situation where the only way that Irish people who identify as atheist will ever get what they want, is by using Irish people who identify as one of the minority religions, to get it.

I'm all for secular education myself, but I have no interest in supporting the latest social media bandwagon effort that will die down by this time next week.

LeBash

listermint wrote:

Who said I'm an atheist ?

Sure don't you know, atheists can't stop telling everyone just how atheist they are.

keithclancy

Menas wrote: »

Our kid was refused entry to the local irish speaking school because I cant speak irish fluently. Can we shoe horn that protest in to this one?

FFS ... all you had to do was say

An bhfuil cead agam dul go dtí an leithreas

Amateur

:rolleyes:

Menas

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Yes - what has your ability to speak Irish got to do with your kids education?

What a nonsensical "point" to make.

If you can't do quadratic equations should your kid be barred from doing maths in his leaving cert?

Well, in fairness to them their point is that if the kid is not speaking irish fluently at home then he will not be a fluent speaker and will not understand a lot of what he is been thought in the school (as the teachers only teach in irish) .

Still though...outrageous!