Are many people snobs?

steddyeddy

I don't think so personally. I came from a rough estate but moved to Dalkey and Donnbrook in later years. I also went to UCD. Later I worked with people from OXford and Cambridge. In all those years I have met two blatant snobs. One guy from Rathgar who thought Rathgar was posh and another law student who slagged someone for asking her out because he was from Finglas.

The point in in all this time I have met two snobs in areas and among people that are stereotyped (wrongly) as snobs. Yet on Boards I have heard some of the snobbiest comments I have heard in my life. You have some threads with people shouting "SCROUNGERS" in the dole threads. Then there's people who stereotype people in disadvantaged areas as scum or people who drink during pregnancy or "eat their children" as Niall Tobin said of Crumlin people.

I have met loads of people but have never met characters like the ones I described. I actually find it hard to believe people like that are real. I've rarely encountered snobbery. Is it something confined to social media warriors or is it prevalent in Irish society?

For Forks Sake

Well I never.

*drops monocle*

Joe prim

Not at all, we are a highly exclusive and elite group, and certainly don't allow every jumped-up little scrote to join our company, Heaven forfend!

Ted_YNWA

I'll let my butler answer this.

Ally Dick

I definitely am. I hate riff raff

DEFTLEFTHAND

Mother was/is a snob, she hand picked the families her children could associate with and disciplined us if we used slang or spoke in common accents. The hilarious thing for me is while her father was a successful businessman, he was essentially only a cattle dealer.

Now Father is actually proper upper middle and he's always treated everyone with respect and dignity, regardless of their background. It pains me that I'm not more like him.

For instance she would berate him for going out drinking with working class people after golf on Sundays.:D He found them better company than the bores out in the golf club.

The only defence I could offer for her is that she's not right in the head, she suffers from her nerves to put it 1950s terminology.

Birneybau

I wouldn't lower myself to answer that question.

MilesMorales1

There is significantly less snobbery in Ireland than in England, in my experience. But it does exist for sure.

captbarnacles

People tend to be more vocal about their prejudices with some sort of anonymity than in person. True story.

One eyed Jack

steddyeddy wrote: »

I don't think so personally. I came from a rough estate but moved to Dalkey and Donnbrook in later years. I also went to UCD. Later I worked with people from OXford and Cambridge. In all those years I have met two blatant snobs. One guy from Rathgar who thought Rathgar was posh and another law student who slagged someone for asking her out because he was from Finglas.

The point in in all this time I have met two snobs in areas and among people that are stereotyped (wrongly) as snobs. Yet on Boards I have heard some of the snobbiest comments I have heard in my life. You have some threads with people shouting "SCROUNGERS" in the dole threads. Then there's people who stereotype people in disadvantaged areas as scum or people who drink during pregnancy or "eat their children" as Niall Tobin said of Crumlin people.

I have met loads of people but have never met characters like the ones I described. I actually find it hard to believe people like that are real. I've rarely encountered snobbery. Is it something confined to social media warriors or is it prevalent in Irish society?

That's not snobbery, that's just a bitter, misguided attitude, masquerading as what they think is a class above other people.

Snobbery would be failing to acknowledge that such people even exist :pac:

py2006

Its the wannabe snobs that are the worst.

Senior Spielbergo

Cant really take Boards seriously though can you. Full of trolls and just general bullsh!tters.

K.Flyer

The funny thing about snobs and snobbery is that you can find it in almost all aspects of Irish society.
I have found through my line of work where I have been in the homes of people from each and every aspect of Irish society that it has more to do with arrogant attitudes and bad manners than financial well being.

Summer wind

The ones that make me laugh are the ones that look at you like you are something bad they've stepped in. Then when they see what car you drive they start talking to you like you are their best friend.

EazyD

py2006 wrote: »

Its the wannabe snobs that are the worst.

Felt spec snobs I call them.

sonny.knowles

Are we including food snobs (the ones say McDonalds etc are muck), coffee snobs (the ones who say Starbucks is muck) and beer snobs (the ones who say Budweiser etc is muck)?

Massimo Cassagrande

Justine McCarthys accent.

End of.

K.Flyer

py2006 wrote: »

Its the wannabe snobs that are the worst.

The Fur Coat and No Knickers Brigade. :pac:

EazyD

sonny.knowles wrote: »

Are we including food snobs (the ones say McDonalds etc are muck), coffee snobs (the ones who say Starbucks is muck) and beer snobs (the ones who say Budweiser etc is muck)?

In fairness one does not need to be a snob to know McD's is pure ****e. Starbucks is just grossly overpriced for what it is. Budweiser is fine as a regular beer when out in the pub/club/ wherever but of course there is better brews out there. Good taste or snobbery, I guess it's just a matter of perception.

Bongalongherb

The snobbiest person I ever met was 'believe it or not' living in Darndale. She was worse than a Dublin 4 american. She was above everything and everyone, even had the posh accent.

MRnotlob606

I think snobbery is quite prevalent among the working class.Nobody wants to feel affluent more than the working class does.

KomradeBishop

People will rarely be snobby to someones face, it will usually be behind their back.

The area I live isn't bad, but it's definitely not your D4 'upper-class' type area (my what a snob I am :pac:), yet it's one of those areas where there's a higher-than-usual proportion of people, who would try to knock others down a notch behind their back.

Snobbery certainly isn't reserved to just wealth, as a judgement of social-status/worth - it can be over a wide variety of things.

OneOfThem

Senior Spielbergo wrote: »

Cant really take Boards seriously though can you. Full of trolls and just general bullsh!tters.

Isn't there also that thing? It probably has a name. Like, 'The Streisand Effect', or 'The Coriolis Effect' or something, 'The ...... Effect'. There was a science lad called K weaver or something that did this thing, and hearing the same thing said x times has the same effect on your perception of the popularity of the opinion as hearing it said once by the same amount of people. Or something like that. It's a thing, I promise.

So, Eddy is probably of the opinion that snobbery is more of a thing here on boards than it probably is. Because online, on a forum like this, things are a little different than in the real world( ), because, you can be reading a thread, and have the same three people, repeatedly expressing the same kind of opinion "damn dole scroungers with their free mansions and spanish holidays", "yeah, women are all after men's money", "the jew is using the black man as muscle to...*bunch of crazy sh1t*, "the partiarchs keep kicking the lego out of my daughters hand and making her play with barbies and watch rhianna videos". And your brain thinks more people think it than actually think it. 'Cause science.

*All this sh1t is researched*

Mongfinder General

Probably more inverted snob types than anything else.

Bongalongherb

I've met more nicer folk from Coolock and Darndale than I have from most other places, don't even get me going on Donegal jezz. There's bad apples and oranges everywhere but I always picked the nice ones and discarded the bad ones. Some folk that think they are educated and above others are just mostly uneducated in the societal means of communication and politeness, no-one is above their fellow human being.

My brother once told me (after I went on a posh euphoria of speech) never forget where you came from. That brought me back down to earth.

One eyed Jack

OneOfThem wrote: »

Isn't there also that thing? It probably has a name. Like, 'The Streisand Effect', or 'The Coriolis Effect' or something, 'The ...... Effect'. There was a science lad called K weaver or something that did this thing, and hearing the same thing said x times has the same effect on your perception of the popularity of the opinion as hearing it said once by the same amount of people. Or something like that. It's a thing, I promise.

So, Eddy is probably of the opinion that snobbery is more of a thing here on boards than it probably is. Because online, on a forum like this, things are a little different than in the real world( ), because, you can be reading a thread, and have the same three people, repeatedly expressing the same kind of opinion "damn dole scroungers with their free mansions and spanish holidays", "yeah, women are all after men's money", "the jew is using the black man as muscle to...*bunch of crazy sh1t*, "the partiarchs keep kicking the lego out of my daughters hand and making her play with barbies and watch rhianna videos". And your brain thinks more people think it than actually think it. 'Cause science.

*All this sh1t is researched*

*waves hands in the air*, I know, I know! :eek:



Confirmation bias, innit?


Actually y'know what's actually worse than snobbery?

The humblebrag.

Prime examples of the phenomenon are Stephen Fry, and Richard Dawkins.

sonny.knowles

EazyD wrote: »

In fairness one does not need to be a snob to know McD's is pure ****e. Starbucks is just grossly overpriced for what it is. Budweiser is fine as a regular beer when out in the pub/club/ wherever but of course there is better brews out there. Good taste or snobbery, I guess it's just a matter of perception.

So we are including them - welcome to the club.

JRant

Sure boards has one of its very own Aongus Von Bismark

efb

I am am educational snob, I rate an Oxbridge degree higher than anywhere else in these islands - and the stats back me up

Eugene Norman

efb wrote: »

I am am educational snob, I rate an Oxbridge degree higher than anywhere else in these islands - and the stats back me up

Larger countries can funnel more elites into their very top level universities. That said I've been to Oxford, so has the OP. So have plenty of Irish grads. All holding their own.

steddyeddy

Mongfinder General wrote: »

Probably more inverted snob types than anything else.

No such thing as an inverted snob IMO. That requires there to be an actual up and down. A snob is someone who looks down on someone.

steddyeddy

efb wrote: »

I am am educational snob, I rate an Oxbridge degree higher than anywhere else in these islands - and the stats back me up

In what field? It's ridiculous to say it is better at every area and sub area of science than any where else in the world.

efb

Eugene Norman wrote: »

Larger countries can funnel more elites into their very top level universities. That said I've been to Oxford, so has the OP. So have plenty of Irish grads. All holding their own.

Yes, I'm not saying Irish people can't go there, I just hold their educational awards in higher esteem

efb

steddyeddy wrote: »

In what field? It's ridiculous to say it is better at every area and sub area of science than any where else in the world.

The ones that matter

OneOfThem

One eyed Jack wrote: »

The humblebrag.

Sounds like something from a fairy tale about a creature that eats Swiss children. Eat your porridge or the Humblebrag'll get ye!.

steddyeddy

efb wrote: »

The ones that matter

Hmmm that's not a very logical answer TBH. I'm snobby about the university ratings. I think they're a "universities for dummies sort of thing". Oxford trails behind on several areas of science. It really depends what you study there. You can't say a student from every subject will get a better education than a student from every other university.

One eyed Jack

steddyeddy wrote: »

No such thing as an inverted snob IMO. That requires there to be an actual up and down. A snob is someone who looks down on someone.

The way I figure an inverted snob, is someone who constantly plays the poor mouth, someone who is always envious of, and bitter towards, people whom they feel is worth more in society than them.

steddyeddy

One eyed Jack wrote: »

The way I figure an inverted snob, is someone who constantly plays the poor mouth, someone who is always envious of, and bitter towards, someone whom they feel is worth more in society than them.

But I think that's just bitterness and not snobbery ain't it?

efb

steddyeddy wrote: »

Hmmm that's not a very logical answer TBH. I'm snobby about the university ratings. I think they're a "universities for dummies sort of thing". Oxford trails behind on several areas of science. It really depends what you study there. You can't say a student from every subject will get a better education than a student from every other university.

A first class honours degree from Oxbridge trumps anything else on these islands

It's the sign of a great mind

steddyeddy

efb wrote: »

A first class honours degree from Oxbridge trumps anything else on these islands

It's the sign of a great mind

Not a chance. Degrees grades aren't indicative of anything of the sort. Some of the thickest students I know got firsts. The PhD is what matters and how many times you publish.

efb

steddyeddy wrote: »

Not a chance. Degrees grades aren't indicative of anything of the sort. Some of the thickest students I know got firsts. The PhD is what matters and how many times you publish.

From Oxbridge???

Fleawuss

DEFTLEFTHAND wrote: »

Mother was/is a snob, she hand picked the families her children could associate with and disciplined us if we used slang or spoke in common accents. The hilarious thing for me is while her father was a successful businessman, he was essentially only a cattle dealer.

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Mother did a tremendous job!:D

efb

steddyeddy wrote: »

Not a chance. Degrees grades aren't indicative of anything of the sort. Some of the thickest students I know got firsts. The PhD is what matters and how many times you publish.

I doubt these people stop their studies - a PhD from Oxbridge is some achievement

steddyeddy

efb wrote: »

From Oxbridge???

From any college. A degree is more about memory IMO. I didn't notice a huge surge in brain power relative to anywhere else IMO.

efb

steddyeddy wrote: »

From any college. A degree is more about memory IMO. I didn't notice a huge surge in brain power relative to anywhere else IMO.

How many people with firsts from Oxbridge do you know??? And what percentage are thick???

steddyeddy

efb wrote: »

I doubt these people stop their studies - a PhD from Oxbridge is some achievement

If they don't publish that means zero. A sh1t scientists is still a sh1t scientist.

Sky King

Stop saying Oxbridge

efb

Sky King wrote: »

Stop saying Oxbridge

Why? It is the most appropriate word to use

steddyeddy

efb wrote: »

Why? It is the most appropriate word to use

I think you're on commission from Oxbridge.

efb

steddyeddy wrote: »

If they don't publish that means zero. A sh1t scientists is still a sh1t scientist.

I would gladly employ anyone with a first from Oxbridge over anywhere else on these islands

efb

steddyeddy wrote: »

I think you're on commission from Oxbridge.

Would that it were...