Protestant extremism England

DanielODonnell

Why should the Roman Catholics of England have to put up with Guy Fawkes day and the bonfires?

biko

So you can get offended.

The Randy Riverbeast

They don't, they can leave.

DanielODonnell

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

They don't, they can leave.

Just like your ancestors could have left for Spain and let the land turn Protestant?

timthumbni

DanielODonnell wrote: »

Why should the Roman Catholics of England have to put up with Guy Fawkes day and the bonfires?

You are just pis$ed off because they voted you out of strictly, Daniel. Just face it you are a crap dancer and you are also the first man that Russian dancer didn't try to get her claws into. Awkward...

foggy_lad

I love all that protestant stuff and was reared a good priest fearing roman catholic.

Why don't we in the republic support our northern brothers and sisters and have a big celebration for 12th July and we would be one step closer to a united Ireland!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvKihX9mLWc

The Randy Riverbeast

DanielODonnell wrote: »

Just like your ancestors could have left for Spain and let the land turn Protestant?

My ancestors?

England has a state religion, the church of England. It is a protestant country.

biko

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L0_JhRV7_lA

DanielODonnell

foggy_lad wrote: »

I love all that protestant stuff and was reared a good priest fearing roman catholic.

Why don't we in the republic support our northern brothers and sisters and have a big celebration for 12th July and we would be one step closer to a united Ireland!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvKihX9mLWc

Since when was the north protestant? In my eyes it is Catholic because Catholicism has been here longer than the religion brought from Scotland.

You can burn photos of the pope and statues of the virgin mary all you want down there.

MakeEmLaugh

foggy_lad wrote: »

I love all that protestant stuff and was reared a good priest fearing roman catholic.

Why don't we in the republic support our northern brothers and sisters and have a big celebration for 12th July and we would be one step closer to a united Ireland!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bvKihX9mLWc

So you agree with Michael McDowell, then? He said the same in 2010.

"I think if we are genuine Republicans, and if the Orange panel on our flag is to mean anything, we have to consider building an inclusive society... Could an Irish government minister in the near future attend a Twelfth demonstration in Northern Ireland in the same way they now attend St Patrick's Day parades around the world, or is that impossible for some reason...?

An enhanced respect for the Orange panel does not imply downgrading or reducing our respect and love for things green."

catbear

DanielODonnell wrote: »

Why should the Roman Catholics of England have to put up with Guy Fawkes day and the bonfires?

Why should secular Irish society have to tolerate state schools being run under an RCC ethos?

corner of hells

DanielODonnell wrote: »

Why should the Roman Catholics of England have to put up with Guy Fawkes day and the bonfires?

I wouldn't mind having a day named after me , "corner of hells " day.
Has nice touch to it.

Anyway I can't find my hat anywhere.

corner of hells

catbear wrote: »

Why should secular Irish society have to tolerate state schools being run under an RCC ethos?

Why do birds suddenly appear ?

endacl

DanielODonnell wrote: »

Since when was the north protestant? In my eyes it is Catholic because Catholicism has been here longer than the religion brought from Scotland.

Bollix to your Catholicism. Celtic polytheism was here first. Presumably some form of animism before that.

Do you get how stupid your thread is yet?

Royal Irish

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

England has a state religion, the church of England. It is a protestant country.

Not for much longer. Your local judge will be an Imam soon enough.

endacl

Royal Irish wrote: »

Not for much longer. Your local judge will be an Imam soon enough.

Not sure if serious? Or if thread is attracting nutters...

corner of hells

endacl wrote: »

Not sure if serious? Or if thread is attracting nutters...

Nutters , around here ? No way.

Junkyard Tom

Fawkes was nothing compared to those violent extremists who caused havoc in Britain not so long ago. Planting bombs, arson attacks, disrupting commerce, going on hunger strike, seeking martyrdom, trying to assassinate the Prime Minister. Fucking Suffragettes.

The Randy Riverbeast

Royal Irish wrote: »

Not for much longer. Your local judge will be an Imam soon enough.

In the last english census 5% of the population was Muslim with about 70+ being Christian or non religious. I can't think of any country where they replaced the justice system in that manner (or at least a country with indoor plumbing being common) so I would doubt that.

In terms of local for me in Ireland. 1% are Muslim so even less likely to happen here.

Unless all the God fearing Christians decide that joining up with the Muslims is the best chance to make Ireland a proper God fearing country again I doubt I will see the iman being a judge.

dubscottie

DanielODonnell wrote: »

Why should the Roman Catholics of England have to put up with Guy Fawkes day and the bonfires?

Have a look at Guy Fawkes.. Blowing stuff up (or trying to) for the hell of it and not giving **** about who gets hurt..

Sound familiar?

I loved bonfire night as a kid. Never done the Halloween thing, apart from scary movies and bobbing for apples.

It was all about making a guy out of old clothes stuffed with newspaper and a paper plate with a face drawn on it. We'd sit outside our house with it saying "penny for the guy" and people passing would give us money. Then on 5th November we would toss poor guy on the bonfire.

We'd always have jacket potatoes and sarspirella in the garden, fireworks (stored carefully in a tin box) lit by an adult and sparklers. As I got older, it was up to Blackheath for a seriously impressive fireworks display and fun fair.

I miss you, Guy, fun times.

brendane

Yes. The British and Americans in every country they have visited in the last 50 years

What's your point

foggy_lad

Strawberry Milkshake wrote: »

I loved bonfire night as a kid. Never done the Halloween thing, apart from scary movies and bobbing for apples.

It was all about making a guy out of old clothes stuffed with newspaper and a paper plate with a face drawn on it. We'd sit outside our house with it saying "penny for the guy" and people passing would give us money. Then on 5th November we would toss poor guy on the bonfire.

We'd always have jacket potatoes and sarspirella in the garden, fireworks (stored carefully in a tin box) lit by an adult and sparklers. As I got older, it was up to Blackheath for a seriously impressive fireworks display and fun fair.

I miss you, Guy, fun times.

Tis a far cry from the catholics pagan ritual with their teenage drinking and setting fire to the neighbours house or poor cat and getting stoned and getting some young wan preggers by the bonfire light cos the pope doesn't use condoms!

I feel so sick anytime someone mentions those poor cats.

LeTickler

Up to no good as usual.

nullzero

LeTickler wrote: »

Up to no good as usual.

"El, Reverendo Green... "

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Royal Irish wrote: »

Not for much longer. Your local judge will be an Imam soon enough.

Who's mam?

MadsL

Gavin Jealous Gent wrote: »

Who's mam?

Yore m....

Nope, can't do it.

darkpagandeath

Lol, Think the op is missing the point in the Name Roman Catholic...... 1 out of 10.

Guy:Incognito

DanielODonnell wrote: »

Since when was the north protestant? In my eyes it is Catholic because Catholicism has been here longer than the religion brought from Scotland.

You can burn photos of the pope and statues of the virgin mary all you want down there.

Unless your on an island to the north of northern island, in what way is it "down" there?

DanielODonnell

DanielODonnell wrote: »

Why should the Roman Catholics of England have to put up with Guy Fawkes day and the bonfires?

For Fawkes sake?

The_Valeyard

Watch V for Vendetta.

The Corinthian

DanielODonnell wrote: »

Why should the Roman Catholics of England have to put up with Guy Fawkes day and the bonfires?

Because half of them don't even know their own history and who Guy Fawkes was. Even the protestant ones are often unsure what 'kind' of protestants they are. Gotta love their educational system.

whisky_galore

Compared to the high jinx up North around the 12th and random scumbags lighting fires at Halloween down south, Guy Fawkes night is family fun and not taken all that seriously; events with H&S, paid admission and controlled access. More about the fireworks and less about religion/politics.

wilhelm roentgen

The Corinthian wrote: »

Because half of them don't even know their own history and who Guy Fawkes was. Even the protestant ones are often unsure what 'kind' of protestants they are. Gotta love their educational system.

What a BS generalisation, do you go in for sweeping statements much?

The Corinthian

wilhelm roentgen wrote: »

What a BS generalisation, do you go in for sweeping statements much?

I'm sorry, but I've known and know quite a few English, Scottish, etc, and while not true of many (you'll note I never actually generalized) a frightening number have serious gaps in things that many of us would have thought basic.

I've known more than one who didn't even know what type of Protestant they were (as it turns out both were CoE), which I can only put down to the fact that religion appears to be a non-issue there.

But some of the things I've heard in relation to basic history or geography over the years is gob-smacking (Barcelona is the capital of Spain, all Ireland is still part of the UK, are two off the top of my head). In this regard, I'd point the finger at the educational system that was 'reformed' (I think under Thatcher) to focus on a smaller number of subjects, meaning that people graduated well versed in those and clueless in everything else.

whisky_galore

The Corinthian wrote: »

I've known more than one who didn't even know what type of Protestant they were (as it turns out both were CoE), which I can only put down to the fact that religion appears to be a non-issue there.

Pretty much. The C of E is in serious decline.

Fratton Fred

The Corinthian wrote: »

I'm sorry, but I've known and know quite a few English, Scottish, etc, and while not true of many (you'll note I never actually generalized) a frightening number have serious gaps in things that many of us would have thought basic.

I've known more than one who didn't even know what type of Protestant they were (as it turns out both were CoE), which I can only put down to the fact that religion appears to be a non-issue there.

But some of the things I've heard in relation to basic history or geography over the years is gob-smacking (Barcelona is the capital of Spain, all Ireland is still part of the UK, are two off the top of my head). In this regard, I'd point the finger at the educational system that was 'reformed' (I think under Thatcher) to focus on a smaller number of subjects, meaning that people graduated well versed in those and clueless in everything else.

Yeah, those damned English know nothing about Ireland, why I was in Edinburgh the other day and...

Wibbs

I found British folks a little lacking in the areas TC mentioned, but IMHO it's got nada to do with education, or lack of it. It's to do with the media. We get pretty much all of theirs and they get pretty much nothing of ours so of course we know more about them than they know about us and for the same reason both of us know more about the US of A, than Americans know about these islands.

The King of Moo

I find it more disgusting that we still celebrate Hallowe'en so flippantly in Ireland after everything poor Laurie Strode had to go through only 37 years ago, or even the Myers family 52 years ago.

Sick and deeply offensive.

philstar

tut tut those protestants....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YnNhd7dLj3w

The Corinthian

Wibbs wrote: »

I found British folks a little lacking in the areas TC mentioned, but IMHO it's got nada to do with education, or lack of it. It's to do with the media. We get pretty much all of theirs and they get pretty much nothing of ours so of course we know more about them than they know about us and for the same reason both of us know more about the US of A, than Americans know about these islands.

I don't know if I'd agree Wibbs. The UK media may explain somethings, but it wouldn't explain Barcelona as the capital of Spain, even Ireland being still part of the UK or never having heard of the kingdom of Mercia (pretty basic English history). I do get the impression that it comes down to a specialization which effectively abandons all other subjects relatively early on in their educational system.

The question of religion is instead down to religion becoming a non-issue in most Western countries, especially among protestant denominations. Even here you see it a fair bit - a friend, who's a vicar, complained to me that it's apparently no longer strictly a requirement to believe in God to become a priest in the Swiss reformed church. Huldrych Zwingli would be turning in his grave - unless doing so would be too close to dancing, which he did ban.

Fratton Fred

The Corinthian wrote: »

I don't know if I'd agree Wibbs. The UK media may explain somethings, but it wouldn't explain Barcelona as the capital of Spain, even Ireland being still part of the UK or never having heard of the kingdom of Mercia (pretty basic English history). I do get the impression that it comes down to a specialization which effectively abandons all other subjects relatively early on in their educational system.

The question of religion is instead down to religion becoming a non-issue in most Western countries, especially among protestant denominations. Even here you see it a fair bit - a friend, who's a vicar, complained to me that it's apparently no longer strictly a requirement to believe in God to become a priest in the Swiss reformed church. Huldrych Zwingli would be turning in his grave - unless doing so would be too close to dancing, which he did ban.

Do a straw poll in Ireland, France or Denmark and you'd probably find people who think Barcelona is the capital of Spain as well

I pointed out in here only last week that an article didn't mention England and to prove me wrong, two posters reposted the article with the word "British" highlighted

Start up a conversation in a Dublin pub and see who knows about the Kingdom of Breifne? As this thread shows, people don't even realise that the Roman Catholic church only came to Ireland in the 12th century and that St Patrick wasn't Irish.

DarkyHughes

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

They don't, they can leave.

I'm pretty sure they live in England. I don't think they go there exclusively for Guy Fox day on holiday or something.

DarkyHughes

whisky_galore wrote: »

Compared to the high jinx up North around the 12th and random scumbags lighting fires at Halloween down south, Guy Fawkes night is family fun and not taken all that seriously; events with H&S, paid admission and controlled access. More about the fireworks and less about religion/politics.

Sounds kinda dull without all the religion, politics, scumbags & fighting.

DarkyHughes

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Yeah, those damned English know nothing about Ireland, why I was in Edinburgh the other day and...

Great, stay there.

The Corinthian

Fratton Fred wrote: »

Start up a conversation in a Dublin pub and see who knows about the Kingdom of Breifne? As this thread shows, people don't even realise that the Roman Catholic church only came to Ireland in the 12th century and that St Patrick wasn't Irish.

Or that Patrick is not a name, but a title.

Bah, maybe you're right. Grumble...

Mesrine65

Fuck all religion, it has caused more human conflict in it's name than colonialism/slavery etc., ever did IMHO

Azalea

Protestant extremism in England makes me think of Cromwellian times; most certainly not today. It's not a thing in England. Northern Ireland, parts of Scotland, but not England.

And I'd say Danny boy knows it.

endacl

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Watch Read V for Vendetta.

Better.

Orangebrigade

I think it is a great day and tradition. Why are Roman Catholics upset that Protestants are celebrating the downfall of a traitor?