Roundup in November

WexTK

Hi all,
young farmer here far from an expert sprayer...
With the mild weather at the moment I was thinking of the possibility of burning off a grass field with roundup in the next week and ploughing it thereafter.

From a department point of view, I'm assuming there's nothing stopping me in spraying roundup in November or not?

Regards.

_Brian

I think wih the growth so slow it would take a long time to burn off.

Dawggone

WexTK wrote: »

Hi all,
young farmer here far from an expert sprayer...
With the mild weather at the moment I was thinking of the possibility of burning off a grass field with roundup in the next week and ploughing it thereafter.

From a department point of view, I'm assuming there's nothing stopping me in spraying roundup in November or not?

Regards.

You're pushing it with such a short turnaround.

monkeynuz

WexTK wrote: »

Hi all,
young farmer here far from an expert sprayer...
With the mild weather at the moment I was thinking of the possibility of burning off a grass field with roundup in the next week and ploughing it thereafter.

From a department point of view, I'm assuming there's nothing stopping me in spraying roundup in November or not?

Regards.

You won't burn it in a week, however, assuming growth is enough to take the glyphosate into the roots then it should continue to kill it after ploughing it in.

Alternatively use a contact herbicide.

whelan2

doesnt it have to be back in green cover with in a specified time?

Bog Man 1

Under SI 378, autumn ploughing (1st July – 15th Jan) of arable land is only permitted if the following crop is emerged within 6 weeks after ploughing. With winter crops this is usually the case, but for spring crops, the practice of autumn ploughing and leaving the soil ‘bare’ over the winter is no longer possible. Grassland (incl. set-aside under grass) cannot be ploughed between 16 October and the 30th of November. Grassland can be ploughed after this date and crops can be sown at the grower’s convenience.

PAGE 20 of this document
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2014/si/31/made/en/pdf

Ploughing and the use of non-selective herbicides
21. (1) Where arable land is ploughed between 1 July and 30 November the
necessary measures shall be taken to provide for emergence, within 6 weeks of
ploughing, of green cover from a sown crop. A rough surface shall be maintained
prior to a crop being sown in the case of lands ploughed between 1 December
and 15 January.
(2) Where grassland is ploughed between 1 July and 15 October the necessary
measures shall be taken to provide for emergence by 1 November of green cover
from a sown crop.
(3) Grassland shall not be ploughed between 16 October and 30 November.
(4) (a) When a non-selective herbicide is applied to arable land or to grassland
in the period between 1 July and 30 November the necessary
measures shall be taken to provide for the emergence within 6 weeks
of the application, of green cover from a sown crop or from natural
regeneration.
(b) The requirement in sub-article 4 (a) shall be reduced to 75% of the
relevant cereal area where a contract is in place for seed crops or
crops producing grain destined for human consumption which prohibits
the application of a non-selective herbicide preharvest.
(5) Where green cover is provided for in compliance with this Article, the
cover shall not be removed by ploughing or by the use of a non-selective herbicide
before 1 December unless a crop is sown within two weeks of its removal.
(6) In the case of land which is ploughed in the course of a ploughing competition
under the auspices of the National Ploughing Association, a temporary

Bog Man 1

http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/goodfarmingpracticesregulations/crosscompliance/inspectionforms/SMR1NitratesIRFPart12015061015.pdf

More Inspection forms . Its like an obstacle race
http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/farmerschemespayments/crosscompliance/inspectionforms/

whelan2

Bog Man 1 wrote: »

Under SI 378, autumn ploughing (1st July – 15th Jan) of arable land is only permitted if the following crop is emerged within 6 weeks after ploughing. With winter crops this is usually the case, but for spring crops, the practice of autumn ploughing and leaving the soil ‘bare’ over the winter is no longer possible. Grassland (incl. set-aside under grass) cannot be ploughed between 16 October and the 30th of November. Grassland can be ploughed after this date and crops can be sown at the grower’s convenience.

PAGE 20 of this document
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2014/si/31/made/en/pdf

Ploughing and the use of non-selective herbicides
21. (1) Where arable land is ploughed between 1 July and 30 November the
necessary measures shall be taken to provide for emergence, within 6 weeks of
ploughing, of green cover from a sown crop. A rough surface shall be maintained
prior to a crop being sown in the case of lands ploughed between 1 December
and 15 January.
(2) Where grassland is ploughed between 1 July and 15 October the necessary
measures shall be taken to provide for emergence by 1 November of green cover
from a sown crop.
(3) Grassland shall not be ploughed between 16 October and 30 November.
(4) (a) When a non-selective herbicide is applied to arable land or to grassland
in the period between 1 July and 30 November the necessary
measures shall be taken to provide for the emergence within 6 weeks
of the application, of green cover from a sown crop or from natural
regeneration.
(b) The requirement in sub-article 4 (a) shall be reduced to 75% of the
relevant cereal area where a contract is in place for seed crops or
crops producing grain destined for human consumption which prohibits
the application of a non-selective herbicide preharvest.
(5) Where green cover is provided for in compliance with this Article, the
cover shall not be removed by ploughing or by the use of a non-selective herbicide
before 1 December unless a crop is sown within two weeks of its removal.
(6) In the case of land which is ploughed in the course of a ploughing competition
under the auspices of the National Ploughing Association, a temporary

A friend of mine had an inspection as he sprayed off in late September and never got a chance to reseed the way the weather worked out. Was 2 years ago

WexTK

Bog Man 1 wrote: »

http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/farmingschemesandpayments/goodfarmingpracticesregulations/crosscompliance/inspectionforms/SMR1NitratesIRFPart12015061015.pdf

More Inspection forms . Its like an obstacle race
http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/farmerschemespayments/crosscompliance/inspectionforms/

Thanks so much for the info. So what I read it as is that round up can be applied to grassland from Dec 1st onwards and then could be ploughed and left idle for a couple of months.... that may sound good in theory but would wisest thing to do would be to wait til March-time for spraying and ploughing? My plan is to put 3 acres of old permanent pasture (riddled with thistles/ragwort) into fodderbeet next spring.

blue5000

Bog Man 1 wrote: »

Under SI 378, autumn ploughing (1st July – 15th Jan) of arable land is only permitted if the following crop is emerged within 6 weeks after ploughing. With winter crops this is usually the case, but for spring crops, the practice of autumn ploughing and leaving the soil ‘bare’ over the winter is no longer possible. Grassland (incl. set-aside under grass) cannot be ploughed between 16 October and the 30th of November. Grassland can be ploughed after this date and crops can be sown at the grower’s convenience.

PAGE 20 of this document
http://www.irishstatutebook.ie/eli/2014/si/31/made/en/pdf

Ploughing and the use of non-selective herbicides
21. (1) Where arable land is ploughed between 1 July and 30 November the
necessary measures shall be taken to provide for emergence, within 6 weeks of
ploughing, of green cover from a sown crop. A rough surface shall be maintained
prior to a crop being sown in the case of lands ploughed between 1 December
and 15 January.
(2) Where grassland is ploughed between 1 July and 15 October the necessary
measures shall be taken to provide for emergence by 1 November of green cover
from a sown crop.
(3) Grassland shall not be ploughed between 16 October and 30 November.
(4) (a) When a non-selective herbicide is applied to arable land or to grassland
in the period between 1 July and 30 November the necessary
measures shall be taken to provide for the emergence within 6 weeks
of the application, of green cover from a sown crop or from natural
regeneration.
(b) The requirement in sub-article 4 (a) shall be reduced to 75% of the
relevant cereal area where a contract is in place for seed crops or
crops producing grain destined for human consumption which prohibits
the application of a non-selective herbicide preharvest.
(5) Where green cover is provided for in compliance with this Article, the
cover shall not be removed by ploughing or by the use of a non-selective herbicide
before 1 December unless a crop is sown within two weeks of its removal.
(6) In the case of land which is ploughed in the course of a ploughing competition
under the auspices of the National Ploughing Association, a temporary

Jasus bogman I'm even more confused now
So it can be ploughed after dec 1st, so could he spray it now to give the roundup time to work, or will he have to wait until dec 1st to spray?