Did you get your anc/bps payment on time?

whelan2

Seems to alot of people didnt get their payments when they were due

Muckit

ANC yest. No bps yet.

Username John

BPS Monday 02/11 - no idea why there was a delay.

djmc

It would also be interesting to see in poll of payment delayed over the last few years

Milked out

Anc came on time no bps yet. Rang about the issue which came up on agfood and after 5 attempts at getting thru got thru to find out that the issue is sorted and awaiting verification. Couldn't get an answer when payment would be made

rangler1

No one is overdue yet.

'' EU regulations provide that payments under the BPS will be made within the period 1 December to 30 June of the following calendar year. Payments will be made in a maximum of two instalments within that period.

Department of Agriculture commitment
Under the Charter of Farmers Rights, the Department of Agriculture has committed that:
•50% advance payments of Basic Payment and Greening Payment will commence on October 16 each year with a target of paying 100% of cleared cases and 90% of all applicants in the first week. EU Commission has allowed for a 70% advance in 2015.''

djmc

I can't understand this for 20 years we knew the time it took to issue payment
The area aid was always paid same time every year and premiums took a few weeks
Any problems the dept would contact you after you applied.
It's only since 2012 that there is problems with payment dates every year.
I would rather be paid in January than having press releases and statements saying I'll be paid in September and October as farmers are inventing money on the farm expecting payment on those date's to pay banks bills etc.
Only finding there is a problem after payment doesn't arrive in bank account is a joke of a service.

ganmo

rangler1 wrote: »

No one is overdue yet.

'' EU regulations provide that payments under the BPS will be made within the period 1 December to 30 June of the following calendar year. Payments will be made in a maximum of two instalments within that period.

Department of Agriculture commitment
Under the Charter of Farmers Rights, the Department of Agriculture has committed that:
•50% advance payments of Basic Payment and Greening Payment will commence on October 16 each year with a target of paying 100% of cleared cases and 90% of all applicants in the first week. EU Commission has allowed for a 70% advance in 2015.''

Advance Payments:100% of cleared cases and 90% of all applications to be paid on 16 October

http://www.agriculture.gov.ie/media/migration/customerservice/farmerscharter2015-2020/FarmersCharterFINALTEXT160715.pdf

by agreeing to pay early the 16th of oct becomes the 1st of dec.

by the 16rd of oct 90% of all applicants(even the ones with queries) should be paid

...that payments table is a joke atm...just look at the glas section

red bull

No payment at all,someone made a claim on one of my parcels. The Dept can't tell me who did it under data protection. What do I do ? WAIT ?

ganmo

red bull wrote: »

No payment at all,someone made a claim on one of my parcels. The Dept can't tell me who did it under data protection. What do I do ? WAIT ?

are they goin to be investigated for fraud?

red bull

Was told that I would have to WAIT till the matter was cleared up by the other claimant. Its a crazy situation

ihatewinter

Someone over claimed on the commonage so ANC is held up for all 11 shareholders. A joke really, would they not just compared this year's area claimed by each claimant with 2014's figures instead of everyone suffering. Then penalise the eejit who keeps doing it, third year in a row this has happened.

red bull

ihatewinter wrote: »

Someone over claimed on the commonage so ANC is held up for all 11 shareholders. A joke really, would they not just compared this year's area claimed by each claimant with 2014's figures instead of everyone suffering. Then penalise the eejit who keeps doing it, third year in a row this has happened.

How long did it take to get your payment ?

ihatewinter

I got my payment last February so I had to wait about 3 months. Will probably be the same this time or longer knowing Dept of Ag's approach to things

red bull

ihatewinter wrote: »

I got my payment last February so I had to wait about 3 months. Will probably be the same this time or longer knowing Dept of Ag's approach to things

I find it totally unacceptable that a person can make a spurious claim and hold up our payment without sanction.

sonnybill

not a screed of any sort yet .. was all on time last two years.. I am young farmer/national reserve candidate so must be that extra entitlements for naked acres ive been farming in2013/14 that is holding me up.. could do with a few bob at this stage

rangler1

sonnybill wrote: »

not a screed of any sort yet .. was all on time last two years.. I am young farmer/national reserve candidate so must be that extra entitlements for naked acres ive been farming in2013/14 that is holding me up.. could do with a few bob at this stage

All those changes are held up, 20000 outstanding clearing 3000/week
the aerial checks are well held up, could be four mths to the last one to be paid

sonnybill

rangler1 wrote: »

All those changes are held up, 20000 outstanding clearing 3000/week
the aerial checks are well held up, could be four mths to the last one to be paid

I had an amended plot to be digitised also but that was done over two weeks ago ...my advisor emailed accepting their minor reductions on several plots where the MEA was less than area claimed.. check agfood daily and only texts I get from DEPT are forestry clinics and BDGP updates.

what I think is gas though is where my claimed area on some plots is far less than whats present they do not increase it to the REf area. but if you overclaim you get their max area value of the plot!

be better in hindsight to be a bold boy and claim the full plot and let them take out the scrub or roadway or whatever at least then you wont be underclaiming.. they should take a total average area of all plots.. I was some up, some down balance one against the other

red bull

Its an unbelievable situation. I continue to be in contact with five neighbours who have received no payments all because a spurious claim was made. Its quite clear to the Dept that its a false claim but it has to go through the motions. When asked would there be a penalty for the fraudulent claimant ? there is no provision for a penalty in that circumstance. I'm really pissed off, will revenue commissioners wait without penalty ? bet there is provision made in that case !
Time for IFA to get in action with so many farmers not paid.

sonnybill

red bull wrote: »

Its an unbelievable situation. I continue to be in contact with five neighbours who have received no payments all because a spurious claim was made. Its quite clear to the Dept that its a false claim but it has to go through the motions. When asked would there be a penalty for the fraudulent claimant ? there is no provision for a penalty in that circumstance. I'm really pissed off, will revenue commissioners wait without penalty ? bet there is provision made in that case !
Time for IFA to get in action with so many farmers not paid.

that's rough! surely they have a herdnumber and contact details.

they could throw me the ANC though, only for the spring born weanlings I sold id be well stuck

red bull

sonnybill wrote: »

that's rough! surely they have a herdnumber and contact details.

they could throw me the ANC though, only for the spring born weanlings I sold id be well stuck

Of course they have a herd number, the dept has their contact details, we don't. BUT IF WE DId%%%%%%%%%%%

RobertKK

I got mine on time, but lots of farmers around me didn't.

rangler1

RobertKK wrote: »

I got mine on time, but lots of farmers around me didn't.

just heard last night where a farmer had his area reduced by .1ha......the area where he had his bales stored, so my dung heap is probably ineligible so, never thought of that

Milked out

Got our 70% payment today

blue5000

Voted yes, but anc was a week late, it's only enough for a week's living expenses though, so didn't cause major cash flow difficulties this year. Maybe you should have more options in the poll? Separate options for each payment?

freedominacup

Our second payment arrived yesterday. Change of herd name caused a delay with entitlement transferring.

Greengrass1

Finally cleared for payment after the muck up with entitlements. But was told yesterday there will be no more payments made until 1st wk of dec

RightTurnClyde

As of today Satellite inspection back and all is okay. But now there is an issue with the paperwork for transfer of entitlements from sole to company. So start the clock again.
Meanwhile still no report back from the Reps inspection that was done 3 weeks ago.
Some shower of langers

blue5000

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

As of today Satellite inspection back and all is okay. But now there is an issue with the paperwork for transfer of entitlements from sole to company. So start the clock again.
Meanwhile still no report back from the Reps inspection that was done 3 weeks ago.
Some shower of langers

Reps? What did that involve?

rangler1

As of five minutes ago I'm having a full cross compliance.....that'll help me sleep tonight, he's checking the no notice part at the moment and I have to have 10% of the sheep in at 10.30 in the morning.
All my payments are up to date even though I was flagged for inspection since may, He told me my sheep census didn't go in until may, when really what happened was their online system wasn't working right on their side

frazzledhome

rangler1 wrote: »

As of five minutes ago I'm having a full cross compliance.....that'll help me sleep tonight, he's checking the no notice part at the moment and I have to have 10% of the sheep in at 10.30 in the morning.
All my payments are up to date even though I was flagged for inspection since may, He told me my sheep census didn't go in until may, when really what happened was their online system wasn't working right on their side

All the best, I sure every thing is shipshape. I hope he wasn't on the IFA thread

Nettleman

rangler1 wrote: »

As of five minutes ago I'm having a full cross compliance.....that'll help me sleep tonight, he's checking the no notice part at the moment and I have to have 10% of the sheep in at 10.30 in the morning.
All my payments are up to date even though I was flagged for inspection since may, He told me my sheep census didn't go in until may, when really what happened was their online system wasn't working right on their side

good luck Rangler1. If its full inspection, i think they usually have to say which SMR they are focusing on in particular, but it sounds like SMR 8 on tagging sheep. I hope the bad weather doesnt scare the sheep away !!

RightTurnClyde

blue5000 wrote: »

Reps? What did that involve?

He check were the 4 measures ( trees planted, hedge planted, clover and nest boxes) done. He checked yard, gutters silage pit. (He measured all tanks aswell)
But he is supposed to write to me for more info like lime dockets, fert and feed receipts and some more. But I havnt had a word from him.

Dawggone

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

As of today Satellite inspection back and all is okay. But now there is an issue with the paperwork for transfer of entitlements from sole to company. So start the clock again.
Meanwhile still no report back from the Reps inspection that was done 3 weeks ago.
Some shower of langers

You farming as a company now Clyde?

sonnybill

Good luck tomorrow Rangler. I rang in today and was awaiting letter for small over claim on 3 no. Plots .. Agreed changes couple of weeks to accept lower area.. They issued letter today and she told me it was worth my while ringing in as I should be processed by either Thursday or Dec 01st payment run.. Nothing got here yet

RightTurnClyde

Dawggone wrote: »

You farming as a company now Clyde?

For 18 months now.

Dawggone

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

For 18 months now.

Limited or unlimited?

boggerman1

Changed to a ltd company this yr.so still haven't got it yet.nothing else changed but name

RightTurnClyde

Dawggone wrote: »

Limited or unlimited?

Limited company, unlimited aspirations

Dawggone

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Limited company, unlimited aspirations

How are you finding it?

Normally dairy lads stay away from ltd. companies.

frazzledhome

Dawggone wrote: »

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Limited company, unlimited aspirations

How are you finding it?

Normally dairy lads stay away from ltd. companies.

Add your reply here.
Why's that?

dohc turbo2

Got my anc payment , waiting on the bpc, young farmer top up , and the safety scheme 40% on work I done back .

Dawggone

frazzledhome wrote: »

Add your reply here.
Why's that?

Vat issues? Main bought-in prodructs are zero rated... Feed and fert.

Milk has ~5% vat?


I could be wrong.

RightTurnClyde

Dawggone wrote: »

Vat issues? Main bought-in prodructs are zero rated... Feed and fert.

Milk has ~5% vat?


I could be wrong.

Limited, but not VAT registered

Dawggone

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Limited, but not VAT registered

I didn't think that was possible. I thought that when TO was over €27k, you had to register.
I'm too long away now...or is it a dairy farmer special?

RightTurnClyde

Dawggone wrote: »

I didn't think that was possible. I thought that when TO was over €27k, you had to register.
I'm too long away now...or is it a dairy farmer special?

The rules could have been different before, but the same vat rules apply to a company as a sole trader ( as far as farming is concerned anyway).

frazzledhome

Dawggone wrote: »

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Limited, but not VAT registered

I didn't think that was possible. I thought that when TO was over 27k, you had to register.
I'm too long away now...or is it a dairy farmer special?

Add your reply here.
When services are Greater than 37k and sales greater than 75k you need to register. Farmers are however among a group exempt. Ltd company doesn't need to vat register

rangler1

Nettleman wrote: »

good luck Rangler1. If its full inspection, i think they usually have to say which SMR they are focusing on in particular, but it sounds like SMR 8 on tagging sheep. I hope the bad weather doesnt scare the sheep away !!

He seems to be doing everything, just after reading 70 ewes and he's measuring the sheds now and walking the farm, he's expecting someone to be with him later. then he'll check the paperwork

rangler1

Passed the inspection, TG, he spent 2 hours going through the records and we're only a small operation

boggerman1

Was talking to my guy that does all my paper work for me.it seems very few if any of us that changed from sole trader to company have been paid yet.the department are getting plenty of angry phone calls

RightTurnClyde

boggerman1 wrote: »

Was talking to my guy that does all my paper work for me.it seems very few if any of us that changed from sole trader to company have been paid yet.the department are getting plenty of angry phone calls

Apparently they're looking for a form to be signed re the transfer of the entitlements. You'd wonder what goes on in the Dept office for the other 10 months of the year