Anyone sick of Tom Meagher and Jenny Stanley?

josephryan1989

Hot on the heels of Jenny Stanley having an anxiety attack about drunken packs of eejits whooping and hollering and making lewd comments about passing women - this never ever happened before in the entire history of the world! - now poor Tom Meagher has turned up to flagellate himself once again.

He is the front man for the white ribbon campaign, a jawdroppingly wrongheaded campaign to end violence against women - by simply demanding it stop. :rolleyes:

Meagher you may remember was the husband of Jill Meagher who was horrifically raped and murdered by a stone cold psycho sex killer who was out on bail even though he had horrifically raped other women. Psychopathic sex killers will always rape and kill women which is why there are detectives worldwide in every city in every society in the world who do nothing else but put scumbags like this behind bars. Rapist murdering scum are not going to stop raping and murdering because of white ribbons and pleas for them to stop. They have to be put behind bars.

Meagher has resurfaced again after a male college student took understandable exception to being invited to an event where men were being instructed in sexual consent. The college student posted his picture on social media with the slogan ’This is not what a rapist looks like’. A tiny minority of men with zero empathy and uncontrollable rage and hatred of women rape women. The overwhelming majority of men do not rape because they are not psychologically disordered or unhinged. Meagher thinks otherwise of course.

“That’s exactly what a rapist looks like ... I’m exactly what a rapist looks like ...,” said Meagher in response, urging men to take more responsibility and stop “othering” the experience by saying most men don’t engage in such behaviour.
“Of course most men wouldn’t do this, but so what? We’re not going to give you a cookie for doing the minimum you can to be a decent human being”.

http://www.irishtimes.com/life-and-style/people/i-m-exactly-what-a-rapist-looks-like-tom-meagher-1.2405365

Meagher is flagellating himself and the entire male sex for the crimes of sick degenerates like the scumbag who killed his wife. His ideology is utterly naive and ridiculous but worse is poisonous because banter and ribald behavior is now put in the same box as real violence and barbarity against women.

Give any group of men a few drinks and in no time they will sing lusty sexually suggestive songs and rude jokes and make exaggerated macho sexual displays to passing women. None of them are stupid enough to think that women will drop their drawers and group copulate with them on the street. They are not going to go on the rampage gang raping every woman they see like some marauding barbarian army. It's clearly just fun and no harm is meant whatsoever.

For many people of both sexes it is only when we drink or are drunk that we get the courage in the case of men - to make an approach - and in the case of women - to accept an approach - because alcohol frees us from inhibitions.

People like Stanley - indoctrinated by deranged feminist ideology that all men are in some form rapists i.e the only difference between the rapist who drags a woman into the bushes and the smooth type who seduces with charisma, charm, displays of sophistication, haute cuisine, chocolates, flowers and wonderful lovemaking is a matter of degrees. So a bunch of lads up for the craic are suddenly transformed into horned devils because they are on the road to flown blown rape don't you know. It is interesting that the lads she describe are clearly working class boys who should be behaving like respectful bearded hipsters who ask formally for sexual consent. Sex is now weaponized with the sexual act itself an oppressive act of violation.

“I was overwhelmed with anger that they felt they could say those things to me. But I stopped myself from responding because I felt I would be putting myself in danger. I felt stifled, and that was frustrating,” she said. She was almost carried off by the Taliban wasn't she?

One is reminded of that scene in Braveheart when the effeminate English wince in disgust as the Scottish lift their kilts. Stanley, a pretty young slip of a girl who is well dressed and middle class obviously does not mix with uncouth young fellas who like to get locked and look for some "gee."

To sum up, sexual prudes in the case of Stanley and busy body middle class snobs like Meagher made worse by his personal tragedy who want society to conform with their uptight and stuck up attitudes have not gone away despite the demise of Roman Catholicism. No matter how educated or liberated Stanley feels she as a modern woman she is still going to be lusted after by men who check out her bum and her boobs. Tom Meagher suffered a horrific nightmare in his case the Big Bad Wolf really did devour Red Riding Hood. That does not give him the right to pontificate and call all men potential rapists and that men as a gender are guilty for the crimes of hideous creatures like the scumbag who defiled and slaughtered his wife.

The only way to police men to make them act like the perfect gentlemen Stanley and Meagher obviously want would be to create a police state.
Harmless banter and rudeness suddenly would become crimes. Stanley is obviously too immature and fragile and precious to deal with modern life while Meagher thinks his terrible experience has given him sufficient insight into humanity to make him a self-appointed secular bishop.

They can both f*ck off.

sonny.knowles

I have never heard of either person.

These seems to be some load of sh1t out there, this thread included. Threads like this just propagate it.

Makes me wish the Internet would just FOAD. No offence OP.

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Most certainly tl=dr.

eviltwin

It's a bank holiday Sunday, ffs I can't be dealing with heavy topics at this hour. Somebody make a boob joke or something.

strelok

eviltwin wrote: »

It's a bank holiday Sunday, ffs I can't be dealing with heavy topics at this hour. Some make a boob joke or something.

why did child protective services take the ducklings away from the mother duck?


they were quack babies

Arsemageddon

Bejaysus OP, you must have an awful lot of free time

RayM

josephryan1989 wrote: »

Give any group of men a few drinks and in no time they will sing lusty sexually suggestive songs and rude jokes and make exaggerated macho sexual displays to passing women.

This isn't true. Most men aren't boorish cunts.

Boring username

You know, I was going to start a thread on this earlier. I dunno if Tom Meagher is the full shilling, tbh. Either that or he is suffering from some major PTSD or guilt complex, and he now feels the need to set himself up as a whipping boy for extreme feminists who will milk him for every ounce of publicity before dumping him without a second thought.

It was very tragic what happened to Jill Meagher, but I don't think Tom is doing her memory any help by publicly crucifying himself here. The man needs counselling fast, I hope someone close to him can advise him and set him straight.

Icaras

josephryan1989 wrote: »

Give any group of men a few drinks and in no time they will sing lusty sexually suggestive songs and rude jokes and make exaggerated macho sexual displays to passing women.

Have you written all of the just to try and justify acting like a dick when you're drunk?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

josephryan1989 wrote: »

Give any group of men a few drinks and in no time they will sing lusty sexually suggestive songs and rude jokes and make exaggerated macho sexual displays to passing women.

You've never been down the George.

josephryan1989

Icaras wrote: »

Have you written all of the just to try and justify acting like a dick when you're drunk?

Well maybe you should go birdwatching or hillwalking or save the whales or read some Tolstoy or something?

RayM

josephryan1989 wrote: »

Well maybe you should go birdwatching or hillwalking or save the whales or read some Tolstoy or something?

By claiming that obnoxious behaviour amongst groups of men is the norm, it's people like you who do men a disservice, not Tom Meagher.

beertons

Who?

eviltwin

josephryan1989 wrote: »

Well maybe you should go birdwatching or hillwalking or save the whales or read some Tolstoy or something?

Maybe just try and not act like a dick? You might not have any sinister intentions but it's intimidating for a lone female to have a gang of lads make sexual remarks. She doesn't know it's only 'banter' does she?

Red King

This white ribbon campaign seems to combine the worst instincts of internet attention seeking activism and feminism gone awry wherein somehow casting a generalised collective guilt over every man in the country will somehow help combat rape in this country.

It is bizarre, misguided and utterly wrong.

I feel sorry for Tom Meagher. It is awful what happened his wife and I can't help but feel that others are taking advantage of his situation to promote their own misguided crusade.

josephryan1989

RayM wrote: »

By claiming that obnoxious behaviour amongst groups of men is the norm, it's people like you who do men a disservice, not Tom Meagher.

Do men a disservice? Men having a few drinks and having a laugh are as bad as the Waffen SS now? Are we going back to the Victorian period with smelling salts and women lepping up on chairs coz mice are scurrying about?

Streetwalker

Never heard of either of them until now.

RayM

josephryan1989 wrote: »

Do men a disservice? Men having a few drinks and having a laugh are as bad as the Waffen SS now?

Yes, because I clearly compared behaving like a drunken arsehole with committing war crimes.

Azalea

josephryan1989 wrote: »

Men having a few drinks and having a laugh are as bad as the Waffen SS now?

Jeez I don't think there was any comparison with the Waffen SS - not seeing such a post anyway. Having a few drinks and having a laugh is definitely ok. Shouting sexually explicit comments at a woman on her own (or anyone actually) isn't.

eviltwin

josephryan1989 wrote: »

Do men a disservice? Men having a few drinks and having a laugh are as bad as the Waffen SS now? Are we going back to the Victorian period with smelling salts and women lepping up on chairs coz mice are scurrying about?

Maybe you should stop drinking until you are mature enough to handle it

Icaras

josephryan1989 wrote: »

Well maybe you should go birdwatching or hillwalking or save the whales or read some Tolstoy or something?

Or maybe go for a few pints and not make exaggerated macho sexual displays to passing women (act like a normal person). :eek:

josephryan1989

Red King wrote: »

This white ribbon campaign seems to combine the worst instincts of internet attention seeking activism and feminism gone awry wherein somehow casting a generalised collective guilt over every man in the country will somehow help combat rape in this country.

It is bizarre, misguided and utterly wrong.

I feel sorry for Tom Meagher. It is awful what happened his wife and I can't help but feel that others are taking advantage of his situation to promote their own misguided crusade.

The poor man has gotten into his head that harmless banter and devilment and tomfoolery are the edge of the wedge to rape.

josephryan1989

Azalea wrote: »

Jeez I don't think there was any comparison with the Waffen SS - not seeing such a post anyway. Having a few drinks and having a laugh is definitely ok. Shouting sexually explicit comments at a woman on her own (or anyone actually) isn't.

Sure it's only a bit of craic.

josephryan1989

RayM wrote: »

Yes, because I clearly compared behaving like a drunken arsehole with committing war crimes.

The way Jenny Stanley was going on in her article a few days ago you'd swear the whole of Dublin was full of rape!

RayM

josephryan1989 wrote: »

Sure it's only a bit of craic.

One man's 'bit of craic' is another man's 'being an obnoxious arsehole'.

eviltwin

You'd know the kids were on mid term break wouldn't you? :rolleyes:

RayM

josephryan1989 wrote: »

The way Jenny Stanley was going on in her article a few days ago you'd swear the whole of Dublin was full of rape!

Why shouldn't someone (man or woman) have the right to go about their business without being harassed (sexually or otherwise) by strangers?

Carlo Ancelotti

I dunno OP
If you look at situations where men are let loose, without fear of law or consequence, ( for example in war), then rape of women is common in such situations. Up to 2 million women were raped by Soviet troops during ww2 when given free reign

josephryan1989

RayM wrote: »

One man's 'bit of craic' is another man's 'being an obnoxious arsehole'.

Life must be boring for you being so nice and respectful.

I think Tom Meager is a man absolutely destroyed with grief. All I can add here is give the man a break. Let him do what it is he feels he needs to do. If it gives him a tiny bit of comfort then so be it.

Rest in Peace Jill x

RayM

josephryan1989 wrote: »

Life must be boring for you being so nice and respectful.

I'll ask you again... Why shouldn't someone (man or woman) have the right to go about their business without being harassed (sexually or otherwise) by strangers?

josephryan1989

Carlo Ancelotti wrote: »

I dunno OP
If you look at situations where men are let loose, without fear of law or consequence, ( for example in war), then rape of women is common in such situations. Up to 2 million women were raped by Soviet troops during ww2 when given free reign

So a bunch of fellas drinking and throwing shapes and having a laugh are as bad as the near animal like Red Army soldiers who rampaged through Europe after being cooped up in the gulags?

We live in peace time and for centuries men have got drunk, got loud and made sexual comments at passing women. I'm sure it probably happened when the Virgin Mary herself was carrying water from the well through Nazareth.

josephryan1989

Deleted User wrote: »

I think Tom Meager is a man absolutely destroyed with grief. All I can add here is give the man a break. Let him do what it is he feels he needs to do. If it gives him a tiny bit of comfort then so be it.

Rest in Peace Jill x

Not if he thinks he can go around demonizing harmless men for the actions of the dirtbag who killed his wife. He's conflating everyday shenanigans to rape and violation. I'm sorry what happened to his wife but he is dead wrong and he can f*ck off. Simple as that.

josephryan1989

RayM wrote: »

I'll ask you again... Why shouldn't someone (man or woman) have the right to go about their business without being harassed (sexually or otherwise) by strangers?

It's called a free society. If you aren't being physically attacked or robbed then it's not a crime and you can ignore it and keep walking. Lots of women love the banter and it's great when they have a funny comeback or shake their hips a bit more as they are going by.

And how very inclusive to include (man or woman). Very well done. 5 stars!

Red King

josephryan1989 wrote: »

Not if he thinks he can go around demonizing harmless men for the actions of the dirtbag who killed his wife. He's conflating everyday shenanigans to rape and violation. I'm sorry what happened to his wife but he is dead wrong and he can f*ck off. Simple as that.

The message is a common one with radical feminists who think that having a penis = rapist in waiting.

I won't however blame Tom Meagher for what I see as him being cruelly manipulated by others who see an opportunity for a bit of publicity and collective shaming.

josephryan1989

josephryan1989 wrote: »

Not if he thinks he can go around demonizing harmless men for the actions of the dirtbag who killed his wife. He's conflating everyday shenanigans to rape and violation. I'm sorry what happened to his wife but he is dead wrong and he can f*ck off. Simple as that.

Grand so.

eviltwin

josephryan1989 wrote: »

It's called a free society. If you aren't being physically attacked or robbed then it's not a crime and you can ignore it and keep walking. Lots of women love the banter and it's great when they have a funny comeback or shake their hips a bit more as they are going by.

And how very inclusive to include (man or woman). Very well done. 5 stars!

No it's called acting like a dick. I'm sure you think you are just hilarious but I'd imagine anyone who is unlucky enough to be around you when you're having the 'banter' thinks you're a gob****e. But once you've having fun who cares about how anyone else feels right? I'm sure your mother must be so proud of the man child she's raised.

RayM

josephryan1989 wrote: »

It's called a free society. If you aren't being physically attacked or robbed then it's not a crime and you can ignore it and keep walking. Lots of women love the banter and it's great when they have a funny comeback or shake their hips a bit more as they are going by.

And how very inclusive to include (man or woman). Very well done. 5 stars!

It's called being an arsehole. Being an arsehole isn't necessarily a crime, but it's still being an arsehole.

Hopefully, when you grow up, you'll realise that.

padd b1975

Red King wrote: »

This white ribbon campaign seems to combine the worst instincts of internet attention seeking activism and feminism gone awry wherein somehow casting a generalised collective guilt over every man in the country will somehow help combat rape in this country.

It is bizarre, misguided and utterly wrong.

I feel sorry for Tom Meagher. It is awful what happened his wife and I can't help but feel that others are taking advantage of his situation to promote their own misguided crusade.

Meagher is behaving like a textbook useful idiot, and not for the first time I'm afraid.

His family need to get him out of the public eye ASAP before his ill informed and over generalised pontificating gets him onto trouble.

discus

eviltwin wrote: »

No it's called acting like a dick. I'm sure you think you are just hilarious but I'd imagine anyone who is unlucky enough to be around you when you're having the 'banter' thinks you're a gob****e. But once you've having fun who cares about how anyone else feels right? I'm sure your mother must be so proud of the man child she's raised.

I'm not one for the traditional wolf whistles, or beeping at women, or hollering at them. But from an outsiders point of view I'love tell you this - there are a lot of women who will react positively to it. One girls creep is another girls charmer. Not defending it, just pointing out that it would stop outright if all girls stopped responding to it. It's a market out there.

eviltwin

discus wrote: »

I'm not one for the traditional wolf whistles, or beeping at women, or hollering at them. But from an outsiders point of view I'love tell you this - there are a lot of women who will react positively to it. One girls creep is another girls charmer. Not defending it, just pointing out that it would stop outright if all girls stopped responding to it. It's a market out there.

Im not talking about that. Sure some women respond positively to it, they obviously don't feel intimidated by it. I'm talking about the lads who get off on making lewd comments to women even when the woman is clearly uncomfortable. If she's not engaging move on and leave her alone.

discus

Granted. At that point it is arseholery.

As for the white ribbon campaign, OP is spot on in some points. Deranged sociopathic/psychotic men can be rapists. But please try not to tarnish us all with the brush Mr Meaghar. It's demeaning.

Azalea

discus wrote: »

I'm not one for the traditional wolf whistles, or beeping at women, or hollering at them. But from an outsiders point of view I'love tell you this - there are a lot of women who will react positively to it. One girls creep is another girls charmer. Not defending it, just pointing out that it would stop outright if all girls stopped responding to it.

I don't think it would at all. I know, as you say, some girls/women don't mind it, but it's context dependent, and depends on how the woman herself feels - it also depends on how aggressive the catcalling is (when it's good-natured and genuinely just a bit of fun - well that's different to making really explicit comments). I wouldn't mind it so much when dressed up to go out (although alone and on a bus at night doesn't seem fun, as you're not just passing them - you're stuck with them) but when out running in my tracksuit it's uncomfortable and embarrassing - to the point that I changed my route to avoid it.

There's clearly no talking to the OP, some of whose reasoning is "It has always happened" so therefore it's ok and should be just put up with - to hell with how those on the receiving end feel about it, but hopefully people who can be reasoned with more will be able to see that while it might just be lads having the craic, there's another person besides them.
It doesn't make them rapists - or akin to rapists - though, of course.

josephryan1989

eviltwin wrote: »

No it's called acting like a dick.

Great!

I'm sure you think you are just hilarious but I'd imagine anyone who is unlucky enough to be around you when you're having the 'banter' thinks you're a gob****e.

Shouldn't you be reading Chomsky or campaigning for the rights of Palestinian suicide bombers or something?

But once you've having fun who cares about how anyone else feels right?

You see that is precisely what is the problem with white knights like you. You feel guilty about having fun because you worry about what other people think.

I'm sure your mother must be so proud of the man child she's raised.

My mother loves me unconditionally.

petrolcan

eviltwin wrote: »

It's a bank holiday Sunday

What? Oh yeah, forgot about that one.

Last BH here was August, next is Christmas

josephryan1989

RayM wrote: »

It's called being an arsehole. Being an arsehole isn't necessarily a crime, but it's still being an arsehole.

Hopefully, when you grow up, you'll realise that.

I'll do what I want and say what I want and behave how I want and if people are offended they know what they can do.
I'm sick to death of these campaigning right on middle class white knights going around tut tutting and looking down their nose.
When I see a nice backside swaying past me I am going to have a good stare and I'm going to compliment the woman on your nice bum.
When she is old and fat and her body parts are hanging off her she won't be getting any compliments so she should be grateful for the here and now.

josephryan1989

josephryan1989 wrote: »

It's called a free society. If you aren't being physically attacked or robbed then it's not a crime

Yes it is. Harassment is a crime and it doesn't have to involve any kind of physical element.

josephryan1989 wrote: »

I'll do what I want and say what I want and behave how I want and if people are offended they know what they can do.

You sound lovely.

Oh, and women don't have to be grateful for your wonderful attention. Not here, not now, not ever.

josephryan1989

eviltwin wrote: »

Maybe just try and not act like a dick? You might not have any sinister intentions but it's intimidating for a lone female to have a gang of lads make sexual remarks. She doesn't know it's only 'banter' does she?

If someone attacked her the same lads making the sexual remarks would be the first to rush to her aid.

Arsemageddon

josephryan1989 wrote: »

I'll do what I want and say what I want and behave how I want and if people are offended they know what they can do.
I'm sick to death of these campaigning right on middle class white knights going around tut tutting and looking down their nose.
When I see a nice backside swaying past me I am going to have a good stare and I'm going to compliment the woman on your nice bum.
When she is old and fat and her body parts are hanging off her she won't be getting any compliments so she should be grateful for the here and now.

Have you ever actually managed to get laid?

josephryan1989

Candie wrote: »

Yes it is. Harassment is a crime and it doesn't have to involve any kind of physical element.

Candie? Sweet!

You sound lovely.

Tee hee hee!

Oh, and women don't have to be grateful for your wonderful attention. Not here, not now, not ever.

I'm have your attention don't I?

Azalea

Nobody's saying you can't admire the sight of a nice bum.