Brand new show cars in a supermarket car park.

ExMachina · 24-10-2015 8:25pm #1

Is it legal to park brand new show cars in a supermarket car park. No reg or tax insurance displayed. They may be insured but should they not display it. ? Can a car be taxed without it having a disk

I understand the car park is a public place under road traffic law. This is just a curiosity

Atlantic Dawn · 24-10-2015 8:28pm

Did they have trade plates displayed? They might have been on the dashboard and/or rear window. They look like this...

Guy:Incognito · 24-10-2015 8:32pm

When you say show car do you mean the garage/importer has put it there (in conjunction with the centre) as an ad for a period of time? Or just an unregistered car someone from the garage used to do some shopping?

ExMachina · 24-10-2015 8:32pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Did they have trade plates displayed? They might have been on the dashboard and/or rear window.

no

vicwatson · 24-10-2015 8:33pm

Is it not private property?

Fred Swanson · 24-10-2015 8:36pm

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jimmycrackcorm · 24-10-2015 8:43pm

Fred Swanson wrote:

Private property to which the public have access to is subject to the Road Traffic Acts.

Any member of the public can walk up my driveway to my front door and knock on it. Doors that mean my car parked on my driveway has to have a tax disc?

I.e. What's the difference between my driveway and a shopping centre car park space?

Fred Swanson · 24-10-2015 8:50pm

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coylemj · 24-10-2015 9:19pm

But I believe there is a distinction between a public place and a public road under RTA legislation. I think the requirement to display insurance and tax discs applies to a public road which would not include private property such as shopping centres car parks.

Drink driving legislation and the requirement to have insurance cover and a driving licence applies to driving in a public place which includes 'any place to which the public have access with vehicles' so would include shopping centre and hotel car parks but I can't see that a static car parked in a shopping centre car park is required to have any tax or insurance cover.

ExMachina · 25-10-2015 1:33pm

RTA Act 1961 says

“public place” means any street, road or other place to which the public have access with vehicles whether as of right or by permission and whether subject to or free of charge;

“public road” means a road the responsibility for the maintenance of which lies on a road authority;

Where does it says "the requirement to display insurance and tax discs applies to a public road which would not include private property such as shopping centres car parks. "?

Del2005 · 25-10-2015 1:38pm

Atlantic Dawn wrote: »

Did they have trade plates displayed? They might have been on the dashboard and/or rear window. They look like this...

Do trade plates work if the garage employee or owner isn't in the vehicle?

jimmynokia · 25-10-2015 1:38pm

Have you not thought they might have got insurance perhaps yesterday and disc is on the way...Regardless its nothing new..

Fred Swanson · 25-10-2015 1:39pm

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Leroy42 · 25-10-2015 1:40pm

jimmycrackcorm wrote: »

Any member of the public can walk up my driveway to my front door and knock on it. Doors that mean my car parked on my driveway has to have a tax disc?

I.e. What's the difference between my driveway and a shopping centre car park space?

No they can't. You can refuse anybody to enter the driveway. Most people don't obviously but the law allows you to

coylemj · 25-10-2015 2:17pm

ExMachina wrote: »

Where does it says "the requirement to display insurance and tax discs applies to a public road which would not include private property such as shopping centres car parks. "?

You created the thread - where does it say that it applies to a public place? Do your own research.

ExMachina · 25-10-2015 3:14pm

coylemj wrote: »

You created the thread - where does it say that it applies to a public place? Do your own research.

in other words you cannot answer the question

"Do your own research." could apply to all threads here.

jimmynokia · 25-10-2015 3:17pm

Does it really bother you that much. How does it effect your personal life?

ExMachina · 25-10-2015 3:48pm

jimmynokia wrote: »

Does it really bother you that much. How does it effect your personal life?

you could ask that for half the threads here

this is a legal discussion and is supposed to be just hypothetical. if it affected my life i would be asking for advice which is not allowed.

coylemj · 25-10-2015 3:58pm

Go to any main motor dealer where you will find several parking bays marked 'customer parking' which technically makes it a public place since there is a clear invitation to the public to drive in and park their cars. On that forecourt you will find dozens of (1) new and unregistered cars with no insurance or tax disc and (2) secondhand cars with no insurance disc and most of them will have either an expired tax disc or none at all. In most cases the only cars on a dealer forecourt with insurance and tax are the demo models.

So I see no difference between a dealer forecourt and that shopping centre. If you think the law is being broken, report them to your local Gardai, I really can't see that there's any point in discussing this further.

Brand new show cars in a supermarket car park.

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