Pitbull - Reality bites... RTE 2

shakencat

Really hope the show is aired in favour of the breed, not against

El Weirdo

shakencat wrote: »

Really hope the show is aired in favour of the breed, not against

Is this about the guy that did the song for the last World Cup?

shakencat

No.. its a show about restricted breeds...

kneemos

A Pit Bull ate my Hamster.

Firefox11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X4gM9wDVAK8

SEPT 23 1989

Less endowed men who can't afford a big car

mightyreds

The two dogs attacking the man and kid and the owner trying to say they didn't deserve to be kicked

shakencat

Why on earth would someone go into a garden to pet random dogs??

K.C

Huskies need to exercise their instinct, like all breeds. If you don't let a dog do what nature intended you are asking for trouble. Some people just don't have a clue.

SEPT 23 1989

Poor b@stard

Lisha

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Poor b@stard

A gorgeous dog. I love staffies.

shakencat

jesus he looked so sad poor thing

SEPT 23 1989

Those kids would have no control if they turned on them

foggy_lad

shakencat wrote: »

Why on earth would someone go into a garden to pet random dogs??

Children are strange like that and will climb a wall to pet a dog.

Streetwalker

Vicious animals.

Dirty Dingus McGee

No way should those young girls have been allowed to have those dogs on the lead. They clearly weren't able to handle them particularly the mastiff type dog.

SEPT 23 1989

Biggest fighter in Europe is a labrador

Sure it is

Dirty Dingus McGee

To be honest Ted I thought the rabbits idea was a bit far fetched so I just decided instead I'd get myself 14 Rottweilers.

Dirty Dingus McGee

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

Biggest fighter in Europe is a labrador

Sure it is

I think they said biter.

I think that is true but as far as I know the Labrador is also the most popular breed so it stands to reason they would bit more than other breeds.

Lisha

13 Rottweilers!

I love the look of them and I love the staffys too but my life wouldn't allow me to give them the 100%care they need.

I adore my jAck Russell and we have a gorgeous Alsatian too. But it's time consuming .

SEPT 23 1989

Total irresponsibility

steddyeddy

shakencat wrote: »

Labradors are the highest dogs accountable for biting humans.

What about breed responsible for most fatalities?

SEPT 23 1989

They are all stunning dogs but not in those surroundings

steddyeddy

shakencat wrote: »

i have a lab and a rottie.

would you believe neither have bitten anyone.

Well yea but that proves nothing.

shakencat

steddyeddy wrote: »

What about breed responsible for most fatalities?

Im saying not all restricted breeds are the bad guys.



I own a lab.

SEPT 23 1989

Buzz looking well

LaGlisse

K.C wrote: »

Huskies need to exercise their instinct, like all breeds. If you don't let a dog do what nature intended you are asking for trouble. Some people just don't have a clue.

People should not have huskies in Ireland unless they live on a farm or something it's just pure cruelty. The amount of people you see with them who haven't a clue but just have them as they look cool is sad

steddyeddy

shakencat wrote: »

Im saying not all restricted breeds are the bad guys.



I own a lab.

No I don't think they are at all. I think some people can be a bit too Peta thinking with dogs and assume there's no dangerous dogs.

foggy_lad

shakencat wrote: »

If i put my hand into someones garden to pet a dog, id fully blame myself if it bit me.

Its their property.



some Jack russells bite you for walking by them for gods sake

Tell that to a child, it is just the measure of those defending dangerous breeds and the restrictions in place to blame a child and say it was his own fault he got savaged and ended up with 40+ stitches

shakencat wrote: »

Labradors are the highest dogs accountable for biting humans.

Considering there are millions more Labradors than all the dangerous breeds yes it is only common sense that there are more reported biting incidents involving labradors but per head of population there are less incidents with labradors and certainly less deaths or serious injuries.

Caovyn Lineah

I'm recording this to watch later but how an absolute (insert every insult under the sun) like Frankie Coote can get television time is ridiculous. The worst dog warden I've ever met and genuinely one of the most horrible, disgusting people on this island.

shakencat

steddyeddy wrote: »

No I don't think they are at all. I think some people can be a bit too Peta thinking with dogs and assume there's no dangerous dogs.

I didn't say that at all.

Of course there are dogs that will bite.

kneemos

LaGlisse wrote: »

People should not have huskies in Ireland unless they live on a farm or something it's just pure cruelty. The amount of people you see with them who haven't a clue but just have them as they look cool is sad

They need monumental levels of exercise apparently.
They can run for fifty miles a day pulling sleds,a daily walk isn't really cutting it.

shakencat

foggy_lad wrote: »

Tell that to a child, it is just the measure of those defending dangerous breeds and the restrictions in place to blame a child and say it was his own fault he got savaged and ended up with 40+ stitches

I didn't blame the child. i said id blame myself.

children are oblivious to good/dangerous dogs.
I agree the dog should have been destroyed.

MarkAnthony

All dogs are potentially dangerous. Not all dogs have the make up pit bulls and other breeds have.

Personally I've nothing against someone keeping a muzzled pit bull, dangerous breed or even a lion if they so wish but the average dog owner in Ireland is about as responsible and well informed as an 11 year old with fireworks.

MarkAnthony

shakencat wrote: »

I didn't blame the child. i said id blame myself.

children are oblivious to good/dangerous dogs.
I agree the dog should have been destroyed.

Lock the dogs up and put the owners down IMO.

Bonedigger

foggy_lad wrote: »

Tell that to a child, it is just the measure of those defending dangerous breeds and the restrictions in place to blame a child and say it was his own fault he got savaged and ended up with 40+ stitches

Considering there are millions more Labradors than all the dangerous breeds yes it is only common sense that there are more reported biting incidents involving labradors but per head of population there are less incidents with labradors and certainly less deaths or serious injuries.

I think you need to replace "dangerous" with "restricted" to be fair.

Haznat

I thought the dogs came accross quite well in that.

To the poster banging on about there being more labs than bull terriers, these are the figures in Australia

"Pure-bred dogs according to the Australian National Kennel Council) were: Labrador Retriever (8.3%), German Shepherd (6.3%), Staffordshire Bull Terrier (5.9%) and Golden Retriever (4.8%) in eighth place is the Rottweilers (2.4%)."

Staffies are a real family dog over there and live completely free of any stigma. Same dogs though.

Dirty Dingus McGee

Haznat wrote: »

I thought the dogs came accross quite well in that.

To the poster banging on about there being more labs than bull terriers, these are the figures in Australia

"Pure-bred dogs according to the Australian National Kennel Council) were: Labrador Retriever (8.3%), German Shepherd (6.3%), Staffordshire Bull Terrier (5.9%) and Golden Retriever (4.8%) in eighth place is the Rottweilers (2.4%)."

Staffies are a real family dog over there and live completely free of any stigma. Same dogs though.

Worldwide figures are different though

FCI Worldwide Figures 2013
These statistics were created by combining the registration figures of 25 countries, namely Argentina, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Chile, Czech Republic, Denmark, Germany, Greece, United Kingdom, France, Finland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Norway, New Zealand, Portugal, Slovakia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Taiwan, The Netherlands, Ukraine and U.S.A.

Position Breed Registrations
1 Labrador Retriever 191,988
2 German Shepherd 129,186
3 Poodle (All sizes) 118,653
4 Chihuahua 107,114
5 Golden Retriever 92,994
6 Yorkshire Terrier 92,438
7 Dachshund 81,516
8 Beagle 53,938
9 Boxer 52,983
10 Miniature Schnauzer 45,263
11 Shih Tzu 44,564
12 Bulldog 44,325
13 German Spitz 40,530
14 English Cocker Spaniel 40,174
15 Cavalier King Charles Spaniel 39,670
16 French Bulldog 39,337
17 Pug 33,528
18 Rottweiler 31,447
19 English Setter 29,771
20 Maltese 28,909
21 English Springer Spaniel 28,050
22 German Shorthaired Pointer 23,855
23 Staffordshire Bull Terrier 23,562
24 Border Collie 23,262
25 Shetland Sheepdog 22,805
26 Dobermann 20,941
27 West Highland White Terrier 20,904
28 Bernese Mountain Dog 20,423
29 Great Dane 20,001
30 Brittany Spaniel 19,828


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_popular_dog_breeds#FCI_Worldwide_Figures_2013

Haznat

Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »

Worldwide figures are different though

FCI Worldwide Figures 2013
These statistics were created by combining the registration figures of 25 countries, namely Argentina, Australia, Belgium, Canada, Chile, Czech Republic, Denmark, Germany, Greece, United Kingdom, France, Finland, Ireland, Italy, Japan, Norway, New Zealand, Portugal, Slovakia, South Africa, Spain, Sweden, Taiwan, The Netherlands, Ukraine and U.S.A.

Position Breed Registrations
1 Labrador Retriever 191,988
2 German Shepherd 129,186
3 Poodle (All sizes) 118,653
4 Chihuahua 107,114
5 Golden Retriever 92,994
6 Yorkshire Terrier 92,438
7 Dachshund 81,516
8 Beagle 53,938
9 Boxer 52,983
10 Miniature Schnauzer 45,263
11 Shih Tzu 44,564
12 Bulldog 44,325
13 German Spitz 40,530
14 English Cocker Spaniel 40,174
15 Cavalier King Charles Spaniel 39,670
16 French Bulldog 39,337
17 Pug 33,528
18 Rottweiler 31,447
19 English Setter 29,771
20 Maltese 28,909
21 English Springer Spaniel 28,050
22 German Shorthaired Pointer 23,855
23 Staffordshire Bull Terrier 23,562
24 Border Collie 23,262
25 Shetland Sheepdog 22,805
26 Dobermann 20,941
27 West Highland White Terrier 20,904
28 Bernese Mountain Dog 20,423
29 Great Dane 20,001
30 Brittany Spaniel 19,828


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_popular_dog_breeds#FCI_Worldwide_Figures_2013

The world is a big place. The point I'm making is that they aren't demonised in every country. It's Daily Mail/Journal hysteria that gives them a bad name over here. Obviously there is a bad element that are breeding them for fighting but they're in the very tiny minority.

DamagedTrax

Very proud of all the dogs in the show. Mine was the white stafford at the athletics meeting doing the long jump. She gained her 'Grand Champion' title that day.

I thought the programe showed bull breeds in an honest light and showed the loveable idiots they really are. It also showed the real responsible owners for once.

Also whoever picked the music deserves a pat on the back :cool:

degsie

Dogs were generally fine, but some of the owners......

DamagedTrax

degsie wrote: »

Dogs were generally fine, but some of the owners......

i know a lot of those owners personally. some of them may be a little rough around the edges but they are not the problem owners with these dogs. They are the most responsible owners you will ever meet. They understand and respect what their dogs can do and take the appropriate steps to not let it happen.

The white staffy 'Ruby' was Laura's first staff. she got out accidentally and acted like any other excitable breed would. I understand people got scared but there was no danger (with that particular dog). And you can be guaranteed they'll never let that mistake happen again.

Ive never seen [the blonde girl] Lilly's dogs out without a lead or muzzles.

Cupcake_Crisis

shakencat wrote: »

I didn't blame the child. i said id blame myself.

children are oblivious to good/dangerous dogs.
I agree the dog should have been destroyed.

Disagree completely.

I have 2 dogs, and a 3 year old niece that is completely besotted with dogs because shes grown up with them. We've all drummed it in to her that just because she plays with our dogs does NOT mean she can play with all dogs. We have educated her, and will continue to do so.

If a child goes into an unknown dogs territory in all likelihood the dog will defend it, as is it's instinct. The child is not to blame, the dog is not to blame, the parents are.

foggy_lad

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Disagree completely.

I have 2 dogs, and a 3 year old niece that is completely besotted with dogs because shes grown up with them. We've all drummed it in to her that just because she plays with our dogs does NOT mean she can play with all dogs. We have educated her, and will continue to do so.

If a child goes into an unknown dogs territory in all likelihood the dog will defend it, as is it's instinct. The child is not to blame, the dog is not to blame, the parents are.

If any dog defends its garden as if it was territory it should never be left unattended in the garden! Dogs should never see a child as a threat under any circumstances and a family pet should not behave like a guard dog!

It is all about the owners of the dog and how they treat and train the dog.

Cupcake_Crisis

foggy_lad wrote: »

If any dog defends its garden as if it was territory it should never be left unattended in the garden! Dogs should never see a child as a threat under any circumstances and a family pet should not behave like a guard dog!

It is all about the owners of the dog and how they treat and train the dog.

Dogs are territorial, we all know that, and they also don't differentiate between adult or child. You can't seriously think it's feasible to tell an owner that they can't allow their dog in their gated garden in case a child takes it upon itself to go into the property without permission. I agree that if a dog attacks completely unprovoked that putting it down should be considered, but you can't blame dogs and owners for everything.

DamagedTrax

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Dogs are territorial, we all know that, and they also don't differentiate between adult or child. You can't seriously think it's feasible to tell an owner that they can't allow their dog in their gated garden in case a child takes it upon itself to go into the property without permission. I agree that if a dog attacks completely unprovoked that putting it down should be considered, but you can't blame dogs and owners for everything.

a prey driven dog will most definitely react to a child before an adult because of movement and size. most of the time they will realise their mistake, the very odd time the drive takes over.

any dog with a prey drive should be kept more secure than a gated garden. an apbt will go over a 10 ft wall. my own stafford has gone over an 8 foot wall to go after a cat.

im not saying it is certain breeds but that owners should recognise certain behaviours within their own dog and take steps to keep their dog and the public safe.

Cupcake_Crisis

DamagedTrax wrote: »

a prey driven dog will most definitely react to a child before and adult. most of the time they will realise their mistake, sometimes the drive takes over.

any dog with a prey drive should be kept more secure than a gated garden. an apbt will go over a 10 ft wall. my own stafford has gone over an 8 foot wall to go after a cat.

im not saying certain breeds but owners should recognise certain behaviours within their own dog and take steps to keep their dog and the public safe.

I can honestly say that I've never seen a restricted breed left unsupervised in a garden. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I've never seen it. People are quick to condemn a dog when almost all of the time it's down to people just not educating themselves or their children

DamagedTrax

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

I can honestly say that I've never seen a restricted breed left unsupervised in a garden. Not saying it doesn't happen, but I've never seen it. People are quick to condemn a dog when almost all of the time it's down to people just not educating themselves or their children

Its not about just restricted breeds though. Huskies arent restricted and ive seen some with prey drives to match my bitch.

its dog specific and a dog that guards a garden intensely should be behind a large fence or wall, no matter if they are the best trained dog in the world. sometimes the nature comes out and there's little that can be done to stop that in the moment.

By the way, im in no way blaming the dog. The dog does what it does, if the owners recognised the behaviour a dog wouldnt need to be in the position where it is pts. And i agree that kids rarely have a clue how to approach dogs, why animal safety isnt thought in schools from a young age is beyond me? - those weekly religion classes could be put to much better use. But eventually the responsibility has to come back on the dog owner as the primary care giver. Thats just how it has to be.

steddyeddy

Cupcake_Crisis wrote: »

Disagree completely.

I have 2 dogs, and a 3 year old niece that is completely besotted with dogs because shes grown up with them. We've all drummed it in to her that just because she plays with our dogs does NOT mean she can play with all dogs. We have educated her, and will continue to do so.

If a child goes into an unknown dogs territory in all likelihood the dog will defend it, as is it's instinct. The child is not to blame, the dog is not to blame, the parents are.

There seems to be a trend towards blaming parents for a child's interaction with a dog. Not necessarily the case you describe but I was out with my niece in a park and a staffie came up to her and although playful it nearly knocked her down. She was terrified of the thing (they're quite unnecessarily muscular for a small dog) and hit out at its nose out of fright. It didn't look happy and growled at her until its owners (a nice couple) came back.

They said "the child shouldn't have got nervous" as Ted's lovely. The child couldn't help getting nervous ffs as she's still a child and reacts on instinct. Some people think the world should love dogs the way they do. Also I don't think anyone should have a dog that sees its garden as territory. I posted in the pets forum about two labs that ran out of a garden and bit a friend of mine recently.

dreamers75

I dislike dogs (actually all pets) but we have 2 dogs we got from the pound, 1 is a complete asshole dog i mean seriously asshole dog. The other the old one I have grown to love because he is a god damn killing machine, he has a KDR of 17-0 which include 7 birds (no ****ing clue how ) and 10 cats. He will destroy any animal who enters his back garden. Gotta respect that, cant be let out the front sadly and is too strong for the kids to walk anywhere he attacks basically any animal that moves.

But asshole dog is a fcuking asshole, only new and really pisses off older dog by trying to claim the back garden.

Older dog is a some sort of terrier russell hybrid, younger asshole dog is off unknown origin.

To summarise some dogs are arseholes and all the training in the world wont stop them being assholes (have paid for dog training lol for both) up to the owners to control them.

DamagedTrax

dreamers75 wrote: »

I dislike dogs (actually all pets) but we have 2 dogs we got from the pound, 1 is a complete asshole dog i mean seriously asshole dog. The other the old one I have grown to love because he is a god damn killing machine, he has a KDR of 17-0 which include 7 birds (no ****ing clue how ) and 10 cats. He will destroy any animal who enters his back garden. Gotta respect that, cant be let out the front sadly and is too strong for the kids to walk anywhere he attacks basically any animal that moves.

But asshole dog is a fcuking asshole, only new and really pisses off older dog by trying to claim the back garden.

Older dog is a some sort of terrier russell hybrid, younger asshole dog is off unknown origin.

To summarise some dogs are arseholes and all the training in the world wont stop them being assholes (have paid for dog training lol for both) up to the owners to control them.

im guessing asshole dog aint the only asshole in that household.