Cyclist convicted of careless driving

thesimpsons

anyone else see this during the week. cyclist convicted of careless driving after crashing into a car parked on the side of the dual carriageway. No mention of whether either the cyclist or the car had lights on at the time. This particular dual carriageway has very wide hard shoulders and is used by lots of cyclists both training and commuting.

http://www.stickybottle.com/latest-news/cyclist-convicted-of-careless-driving-after-hitting-car-in-co-clare/

Derrydingle

New years eve I say he had a few on him at the time no other reason for not seeing a parked car

seamus

Derrydingle wrote: »

New years eve I say he had a few on him at the time no other reason for not seeing a parked car

*ahem*

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9OrKLGEOVRA

I'd agree with you except for the fact that the guy must have been going pretty hard to smash in the back window.

Saipanne

Good. Hopefully this encourages safer cycling.

Idleater

seamus wrote: »

I'd agree with you except for the fact that the guy must have been going pretty hard to smash in the back window.

Not necessarily, I remember my father arriving home many years ago having gotten a lift back from the nuns whose back window he had broken (just like the video). It happened at the old m50 roundabout before it had traffic lights.

Tenzor07

Idleater wrote: »

Not necessarily, I remember my father arriving home many years ago having gotten a lift back from the nuns whose back window he had broken (just like the video). It happened at the old m50 roundabout before it had traffic lights.

Jeepers, should be extra penalties for smashing in a nun's back windows!

beauf

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Jeepers, should be extra penalties for smashing in a nun's back windows!

Its now a holy car.

Lumen

Judge Patrick Durcan wrote:

Sometimes cyclists seem to have the view that they are exempt from road traffic laws

So this was a deliberate act?

Who appoints these idiots?

Lumen

More from the same judge...

http://www.evoke.ie/news/irelands-worst-driver-247-convictions-no-jail

Tenzor07

If the bicyclist had done the same thing but in a car he probably would have been awarded €250 by this shambles of a Judge!

This youth who stole a bike was let off and given €200 from the court poor box to take up boxing lessons, this could be straight out of an episode of Fr. Ted!! Link

Who paid for the damages to the car?

Lumen

Lumen wrote: »

So this was a deliberate act?

Who appoints these idiots?

Originally Posted by Judge Patrick Durcan
Sometimes cyclists seem to have the view that they are exempt from road traffic laws

How does this make Judge an idiot?

Lumen

Deleted User wrote: »

How does this make Judge an idiot?

Because it's completely irrelevant to the case.

seamus

Deleted User wrote: »

How does this make Judge an idiot?

Because the judge's remarks indicate that the judge believes that the guy deliberately cycled into the back of a parked vehicle.

"Careless" by definition means being inattentive rather than deliberately ignoring the law.

check_six

Lumen wrote: »

So this was a deliberate act?

Who appoints these idiots?

I don't see where the conviction comes from. If a car rear ended another car, you would expect the person at fault to cover the repairs through insurance or whatever, I don't see where you'd be getting the driver convicted of something.

It seems perverse. The judge's comments back that up, as you point out.

Chips Lovell

Judge Patrick Durcan wrote:

Sometimes cyclists seem to have the view that they are exempt from road traffic laws

Lumen wrote: »

So this was a deliberate act?

Who appoints these idiots?

Maybe he meant some cyclists think they're exempt from the law about driving with due care and attention?

Lumen

Jep Gambardella wrote: »

Maybe he meant some cyclists think they're exempt from the law about driving with due care and attention?

If he wants to rant in generalisations he should start a thread in the Motors forum.

Lusk_Doyle

Lumen wrote: »

If he wants to rant in generalisations he should start a thread in the Motors forum.

He doesn't need to. He has a bench from which to preach to the proletariat.

HivemindXX

Lumen wrote: »

More from the same judge...

http://www.evoke.ie/news/irelands-worst-driver-247-convictions-no-jail

Just as well he didn't get Judge Martin Nolan who said the following about a guy who ran a red light while speeding and killed a pedestrian.

Irish Times wrote:

Judge Nolan described the case as “tragic” and expressed his condolences to the Webster family, but noted that Hannezo had driven “at a relatively normal speed and missed a red light”. “We are all capable of inattention, it is a human failing. We are not automatons,” the judge said.

He did hand down a €4,000 fine, so that's cool.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/crime-and-law/courts/circuit-court/man-fined-4-000-for-careless-driving-causing-death-of-woman-1.2288746

tampopo

seamus wrote: »

I'd agree with you except for the fact that the guy must have been going pretty hard to smash in the back window.

no, you only have to mount the boot and lean slightly on the glass and it'll shatter...the merest bit of weight at all would do it...


:mad::mad::mad::o:o:o:(:(:(:eek::eek::eek:

J Mysterio

tampopo wrote: »

no, you only have to mount the boot and lean slightly on the glass and it'll shatter...the merest bit of weight at all would do it...
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No it wouldn't. Just look at the video of the cyclist a few posts up, fcking smacks into the rear view window, no smashy.

RainyDay

Is it legal to park on the side of a dual carriageway? You don't generally see cars parked there.

tunney

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Jeepers, should be extra penalties for smashing in a nun's back windows!

Smashing in a nun's back what?

seamus

RainyDay wrote: »

Is it legal to park on the side of a dual carriageway? You don't generally see cars parked there.

No you don't because they're usually miles from nowhere. But it's as legal to park there on a dual carriageway as it at the side of any other road.

Motorways are special where it's not legal to park there except in a breakdown or emergency.

Kav0777

“Mr Murphy was travelling at some considerable speed when he effectively rear-ended the parked car...... If it was a child in a buggy or a young mother with a pram, God only knows what would have happened.”

- Judge Durcan



I don't know the road, would you get many young mothers pushing their children in buggy's or prams on that dual carriage way?:eek::eek:

thesimpsons

Kav0777 wrote: »

- Judge Durcan



I don't know the road, would you get many young mothers pushing their children in buggy's or prams on that dual carriage way?:eek::eek:

I know the road well but don't know where the incident happened. You'd rarely if ever see a pedestrian on that road.

tomasrojo

I suspect the judge's moralising tone seemed at variance with the offence of inadvertently damaging private property, so he felt the need to extrapolate the consequences to hypothetical small children.

Beasty

RainyDay wrote: »

Is it legal to park on the side of a dual carriageway? You don't generally see cars parked there.

Don't think it's illegal per se. There's a section of the Old N1 near me where vehicles (often lorries) park on the hard shoulder near a service station, despite there being specific "no parking" signs (implying it's only barred there)

Obviously where there is no hard shoulder there is still the ability for yellow lines to be painted to prohibit parking and some dual carriageways have "clearway/no stopping" signs

Wishbone Ash

Beasty wrote: »

...There's a section of the Old N1 near me where vehicles (often lorries) park on the hard shoulder near a service station, despite there being specific "no parking" signs...

A relative of mine is the owner of the farm next door to the filling station. He requested the signs as he has very little visibility exiting in tractors and other machinery. Exiting in a tractor with a long engine or a front mounted implement is awkward enough without having an 'artic' parked at your gate - especially with fast moving traffic.

Those trucks also make exiting the filling station difficult. A least some drivers have the courtesy to park on the Swords side which is less inconvenient.

galwaycyclist

Beasty wrote: »

Don't think it's illegal per se. There's a section of the Old N1 near me where vehicles (often lorries) park on the hard shoulder near a service station, despite there being specific "no parking" signs (implying it's only barred there)

Obviously where there is no hard shoulder there is still the ability for yellow lines to be painted to prohibit parking and some dual carriageways have "clearway/no stopping" signs

I think technically vehicles are excluded from hard shoulders which implies that they are also excluded from parking in them. I am not sure how the courts treat it though.

roverrules

galwaycyclist wrote: »

I think technically vehicles are excluded from hard shoulders which implies that they are also excluded from parking in them. I am not sure how the courts treat it though.

I think technically they are allowed, what happens if they breakdown

Qualitymark

Any lawyers here? Fancy starting a Kings Inns Cycling Club and getting a few judges into it, so they have a less moteycentry view of the world?

BoardsMember

Tenzor07 wrote: »

Jeepers, should be extra penalties for smashing in a nun's back windows!

Better than smashing their back doors in.

tomasrojo

Qualitymark wrote: »

Any lawyers here? Fancy starting a Kings Inns Cycling Club and getting a few judges into it, so they have a less moteycentry view of the world?

I heard that the dublinbikes are extensively used by people working in the Four Courts, so maybe in time to come we'll have judges with a broader world view.

Qualitymark

tomasrojo wrote: »

I heard that the dublinbikes are extensively used by people working in the Four Courts, so maybe in time to come we'll have judges with a broader world view.

Probably by judges in the criminal courts at the park gate too; my sources tell me that there are really only parking spaces for the civil servants in the yard of the courts there.