Men's love songs compared to women's

Do Me Good

Which are better:

Men's love songs towards women or women's love songs about men? Or should I say why are men's love songs about women so much better?

OneOfThem

Do Me Good wrote: »

Which are better:

Men's love songs towards women or women's love songs about men? Or should I say why are men's love songs about women so much better?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j95uDFgEpt0

The Backwards Man

Bit of a silly question, no?

Like asking if willies or fannies are better.

Do Me Good

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Bit of a silly question, no?

Like asking if willies or fannies are better.

No

Women seem to like love songs because they would like a man to feel the way about them as in the song. Therefore both sexes prefer men's love songs over women's

There's a few out there, but not as many.

Mister Vain

Do Me Good wrote: »

No

Women seem to like love songs because they would like a man to feel the way about them as in the song. Therefore both sexes prefer men's love songs over women's

There's a few out there, but not as many.

Or as Dylan said, women feel that way about shoes.

nullzero

The Backwards Man wrote: »

Bit of a silly question, no?

Like asking if willies or fannies are better.

A Doozie of a question to pose to a bisexual.

Saipanne

Men write better songs than women.

When it comes to love songs, it has to be God Only Knows by The Beach Boys. It's just perfect.

Hitchens

they're both just somebody done somebody wrong songs

OneOfThem

Basically, in general, men Do romance, and woman Receive it. It's like asking how come Honda manufacturers can make better cars than people that really really like Honda's. It's like anything, a matter of practice and experience. You don't get good at plastering a house by having had someone plaster your house a couple of times.

Whitewinged

It depends on the type of music i guess. Boybands and girlbands singing cheesy lyrics like "your the key to my heart" or "two become one" are really bad imo.

I suppose say for example John Lennon's "Jealous Guy", the lyrics in that are quite real and raw and believable. I know female singers who sing songs just as good but maybe some male ones are seen as better because men in general are assumed to be less verbally emotional so when they show vunerability in a song, maybe it has more impact?

The_Valeyard

Some can be okay

The Drifters are decent enough

Hitchens

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Some can be okay

The Drifters are decent enough

they were never the same when Joe Dolan left

Whitewinged

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Some can be okay

The Drifters are decent enough

Ah yea i dont mean them when i say boyband. The lyrics are believable. A bloke falling in love in the summer hanging out at the boardwalk. That song is romantic.

but if any bloke turned around to a girl (well i can only speak for myself) and said "your the key to my heart and we will never be apart", i would just cringe

Mister Vain

Whitewinged wrote: »

but if any bloke turned around to a girl (well i can only speak for myself) and said "your the key to my heart and we will never be apart", i would just cringe

What if a fella did a bit or a rap for ya?

"Girl I love the way you gyrate your hips and push your ass out."
"Got me wanting it so bad I think I'm about to pass out."

The_Valeyard

Whitewinged wrote: »

Ah yea i dont mean them when i say boyband. The lyrics are believable. A bloke falling in love in the summer hanging out at the boardwalk. That song is romantic.

but if any bloke turned around to a girl (well i can only speak for myself) and said "your the key to my heart and we will never be apart", i would just cringe

But what if you had LOST THAT LOVING FEELING

Vinculus

I think men write better breakup songs than love songs.
"A night in " by the Tindersticks is the first song to come to mind.

Whitewinged

Mister Vain wrote: »

What if a fella did a bit or a rap for ya?

"Girl I love the way you gyrate your hips and push your ass out."
"Got me wanting it so bad I think I'm about to pass out."

I guess it depends on the mood haha

No but i dont mean if someone actually sang the song literally to me. I just mean the words in the song are not believable.

Colser

Id have to say Mens are much better.Im convinced Billy Joel sings "Always a woman to me" to me everytime I hear it:o:pac: I cant even listen to Sam Smiths"Im not the only one"(is it even considered a love song?) without out crying:( I have to turn it off straight away and I love it..just cant listen to it.

RDM_83 again

Saipanne wrote: »

Men write better songs than women

Counterpoint to that idea is, Jolene by Dolly Parton .
And yes I am a straight man with much love for a bit of Dolly :-)

Whitewinged

Im not surprised all the men love Jolene since its a woman singing about another woman

Ah no it is a great song.

PressRun

Debatable. Joni Mitchell and Carole King, for example, have written their fair share of love songs that are pretty much head and shoulders above the vast majority of male singer/songwriters, imo.

OneOfThem

Whitewinged wrote: »

Im not surprised all the men love Jolene since its a woman singing about another woman

Ah no it is a great song.

It's one of the most 'soul stripped bare' songs ever put out there in relation to love. "I know he'd choose you, and I know you'd chose her, but jesus fvcking christ please choose me".

Reminds me of this Neil Gaimann quote on love

"Have you ever been in love? Horrible isn't it? It makes you so vulnerable. It opens your chest and it opens up your heart and it means that someone can get inside you and mess you up. You build up all these defenses, you build up a whole suit of armor, so that nothing can hurt you, then one stupid person, no different from any other stupid person, wanders into your stupid life...You give them a piece of you. They didn't ask for it. They did something dumb one day, like kiss you or smile at you, and then your life isn't your own anymore. Love takes hostages. It gets inside you. It eats you out and leaves you crying in the darkness, so simple a phrase like 'maybe we should be just friends' turns into a glass splinter working its way into your heart. It hurts. Not just in the imagination. Not just in the mind. It's a soul-hurt, a real gets-inside-you-and-rips-you-apart pain. I hate love."

And also this Beautiful South song along the same lines...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o9dfbLIMHZY

cantdecide

Not going to be PC about this- this is something I say all the time; men write better love songs

I'll surely think of more but off the top of my head; Jeff Buckley...

"Last Goodbye"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtS0rwQK_pI

This is our last goodbye
I hate to feel the love between us die
But it's over
Just hear this and then i'll go
You gave me more to live for
More than you'll ever know

This is our last embrace
Must I dream and always see your face
Why can't we overcome this wall
Well, maybe it's just because i didn't know you at all

Kiss me, please kiss me
But kiss me out of desire, babe, and not consolation
You know it makes me so angry 'cause i know that in time
I'll only make you cry, this is our last goodbye

Did you say 'no, this can't happen to me,'
And did you rush to the phone to call
Was there a voice unkind in the back of your mind
Saying maybe you didn't know him at all
You didn't know him at all, oh, you didn't know

Well, the bells out in the church tower chime
Burning clues into this heart of mine
Thinking so hard on her soft eyes and the memories
Offer signs that it's over... it's over


and...

"Lover, You Should've Come Over"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hXe1jpHPnUs

Looking out the door i see the rain fall upon the funeral mourners
Parading in a wake of sad relations as their shoes fill up with water
And maybe i'm too young to keep good love from going wrong
But tonight you're on my mind so you never know

When i'm broken down and hungry for your love with no way to feed it
Where are you tonight, child you know how much i need it
Too young to hold on and too old to just break free and run

Sometimes a man gets carried away, when he feels like he should be having his fun
And much too blind to see the damage he's done
Sometimes a man must awake to find that really, he has no-one

So i'll wait for you... and i'll burn
Will I ever see your sweet return
Oh will I ever learn

Oh lover, you should've come over
'Cause it's not too late

Lonely is the room, the bed is made, the open window lets the rain in
Burning in the corner is the only one who dreams he had you with him
My body turns and yearns for a sleep that will never come

It's never over, my kingdom for a kiss upon her shoulder
It's never over, all my riches for her smiles when i slept so soft against her
It's never over, all my blood for the sweetness of her laughter
It's never over, she's the tear that hangs inside my soul forever

Well maybe i'm just too young
To keep good love from going wrong

Oh... lover, you should've come over
'Cause it's not too late

Well I feel too young to hold on
And i'm much too old to break free and run
Too deaf, dumb, and blind to see the damage i've done
Sweet lover, you should've come over
Oh, love well i'm waiting for you

Lover, you should've come over
'Cause it's not too late

cantdecide

Oh the irony

Whitewinged

I like "To Love Somebody".

Barry Gibb wrote it as far as i know and i do like The Bee Gees singing it but I really love Janis Joplins version.

Canadel

Losing love is like a window in your heart.

~Paul Simon

donegaLroad

the song 'I can't live if living is without you...' by Air Supply is a powerful song if you listen to singer's delivery, he does sound like he means it...

I can't imagine he won back her heart though.. in reality he was probably a torture to live with, self-obsessed moan, leaves the toilet seat up, snores etc.

Keplar240B

Gay cousins songs to each other are the best , #familyrules

NachoBusiness

Colser wrote: »

Id have to say Mens are much better.Im convinced Billy Joel sings "Always a woman to me" to me everytime I hear it:o:pac:

Are you not a nice person or something? That song is about a royal cunt

Ruu

I wanna know what love is.

Barry Badrinath

Ruu wrote: »

I wanna know what love is.

I want you to show me!

Gmol

For the old break up songs ya can't beat without you by badfinger or still in love with you by Lizzy both get ya in the feels

Colser

NachoBusiness wrote: »

Are you not a nice person or something? That song is about a royal cunt

Leave me alone Nacho ..Im drowning in my wine glass reading some of the lyrics on here:P

cantdecide

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEUgORVsECs

"Into My Arms"

I don't believe in an interventionist God
But I know, darling, that you do
But if I did I would kneel down and ask Him
Not to intervene when it came to you
Not to touch a hair on your head
To leave you as you are
And if He felt He had to direct you
Then direct you into my arms

Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms

And I don't believe in the existence of angels
But looking at you I wonder if that's true
But if I did I would summon them together
And ask them to watch over you
To each burn a candle for you
To make bright and clear your path
And to walk, like Christ, in grace and love
And guide you into my arms

Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms

But I believe in love
And I know that you do too
And I believe in some kind of path
That we can walk down, me and you
So keep your candles burning
And make her journey bright and pure
That she will keep returning
Always and evermore

Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms, O Lord
Into my arms

NachoBusiness

Colser wrote: »

Leave me alone Nacho ..Im drowning in my wine glass reading some of the lyrics on here:P

Can of Desperado Tequila for me. That's right, I'm knacker drinking in my own house

Have to say,I have never really understood people listening to love songs when they break up with someone.
Best thing to then is listen to something like Sail On by The Commodores.

Anyway, on topic, one of my favourite love songs of all time:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NocVaJJGZ8w

hatrickpatrick

Anyone who thinks women can't write decent love songs has never listened to Taylor Swift.
Anyone who thinks men can't write decent love songs has never listened to The Killers.

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OneOfThem

cantdecide wrote: »

"Into My Arms"

When I read your username I read it as a type of poison. 'Cantdecide' like Cyanide. That's all. But I love the fvck out of you 'cause great great song choice.

hatrickpatrick

Also in response to the OP. Men have more political freedom when it comes to writing music. Women are horribly judged on their music, from feminists on one hand (Taylor Swift for instance being attacked for writing love-sick songs because 'you shouldn't be telling young women to let men bring them down' and on the other hand being attacked when she pandered to that by writing angry, defiant songs, because 'maybe after so many failed relationships it's not the guy's fault and you're just a b!tch') - Rihanna and Miley Cyrus are the same, they're asked to be role models for kids and for women so they have to write in a certain political context or get slaughtered by the feckin' entertainment media which at the moment cares far more about identity politics than actual entertainment value. "Wildest Dreams" by Taylor Swift is another good example - epically emotional song, epic music video. Lyrics slammed for promoting promiscuity and one night stands, video slammed because filming a white person's romance in Africa is "cultural appropriation" and inherently racist. Rihanna was attacked for singing "The Way You Lie" with Eminem after the Chris Brown incident because it was construed as being about liking abusive relationships, etc etc etc.

Men don't face this political bullsh!t in nearly as bad a fashion. Eminem can write about everything from deeply missing his ex (Mockingbird and others) to violently slitting her and her new boyfriend's throat (Kim) and nobody cares, nobody tells him he shouldn't be doing it because music is music. Guys who write about being love-sick aren't attacked for "disempowering" their male audience or in other words setting a bad example, and guys who write angry songs about crappy exes aren't attacked for that either. Male music is far less politicised.

I've been saying this for years and I think this summer a lot of people started agreeing with that hypothesis after the ridiculous backlashes against Bad Blood and Wildest Dreams (both Swift songs). Bad Blood's music video depicted her and another woman fighting and was decried because "women shouldn't put eachother down, sisters need to stick together" and all that BS, Wildest Dreams for the above-mentioned identity politics reasons.

I have never seen a male songwriter being subjected to that amount of idiotic political vitriol for singing from the heart. Even Chris Brown after he attacked Rihanna was able to write blatantly provocative stuff like "Don't Judge Me" (seriously dude? c'mon!) and it didn't cause a political firestorm among the entertainment media.

TheLastMohican

Us
I and You
and
You and I

Sky and Earth
and
Earth and Sky.

Forever now
and
Now forever

Always has been
Has been never.

brandnewaward

www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7ew_jIxLa8



seeing these guys in 3 weeks ......cant fecking wait

PressRun

Kate Bush has had a couple of heart-stopping moments in her career.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pSCQPSrlNbk

Billie Holiday probably sang some of the saddest songs ever, all inspired by her life.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45YPO2FyXVI

emigrate2012

Nothings so bittersweet as unrequited love.

True story... As for men/women debate? Both have their pros and cons, no winner tbh, horses for courses.

justchecked

lots of people talking, few of them know.

anewme

donegaLroad wrote: »

the song 'I can't live if living is without you...' by Air Supply is a powerful song if you listen to singer's delivery, he does sound like he means it...

I can't imagine he won back her heart though.. in reality he was probably a torture to live with, self-obsessed moan, leaves the toilet seat up, snores etc.

Ive never heard Air Supply's version of this.

I'm not mad on Mariah Carey's as I think it's a bit oversang if that makes sense.

Yodeling Snake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlZITSZ_Iug

Yodeling Snake

PressRun wrote: »

Kate Bush has had a couple of heart-stopping moments in her career.



That song should be banned from the internet. Please delete it from this thread. Any man who listens to that song at this time of the morning just simply won't be able to function properly for the rest of the day.

Autonomous Cowherd

There is some truth in this....I find men to be more romantic and poetic, potentially.
Men in a way can afford to be more romantic than women. We have had to be pragmatic from very young. This is the case for women globally, even in a modern age. Chores more than the brothers, appeasing tempers for fear of violence from a stronger body, stretching budgets to make ends meet, looking after health of children etc etc etc.
These things sober a woman up. If a man becomes heart sick and poetic and takes to the drink or to the bed, it is very likely a woman will look after him in some form.
It does not happen that way for women.
I am not saying this is about inequality. It is simple about energy, instinct, programming. It's fine.
Don't worry though, we do feel as poetic in our deepest hearts...for absolute sure...and go through the same wrenches. It's just there is dinner to be made and a child to be washed and life goes on.

Edit : And speaking of Kate Bush ..The Man With the Child in his eyes, surely fits the bill. Not to mention songs by Macy Grey, Ruthie Foster, Tracey Chapman etc etc

Plryty

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Also in response to the OP. Men have more political freedom when it comes to writing music. Women are horribly judged on their music, from feminists on one hand (Taylor Swift for instance being attacked for writing love-sick songs because 'you shouldn't be telling young women to let men bring them down' and on the other hand being attacked when she pandered to that by writing angry, defiant songs, because 'maybe after so many failed relationships it's not the guy's fault and you're just a b!tch') - Rihanna and Miley Cyrus are the same, they're asked to be role models for kids and for women so they have to write in a certain political context or get slaughtered by the feckin' entertainment media which at the moment cares far more about identity politics than actual entertainment value. "Wildest Dreams" by Taylor Swift is another good example - epically emotional song, epic music video. Lyrics slammed for promoting promiscuity and one night stands, video slammed because filming a white person's romance in Africa is "cultural appropriation" and inherently racist. Rihanna was attacked for singing "The Way You Lie" with Eminem after the Chris Brown incident because it was construed as being about liking abusive relationships, etc etc etc.

Men don't face this political bullsh!t in nearly as bad a fashion. Eminem can write about everything from deeply missing his ex (Mockingbird and others) to violently slitting her and her new boyfriend's throat (Kim) and nobody cares, nobody tells him he shouldn't be doing it because music is music. Guys who write about being love-sick aren't attacked for "disempowering" their male audience or in other words setting a bad example, and guys who write angry songs about crappy exes aren't attacked for that either. Male music is far less politicised.

I've been saying this for years and I think this summer a lot of people started agreeing with that hypothesis after the ridiculous backlashes against Bad Blood and Wildest Dreams (both Swift songs). Bad Blood's music video depicted her and another woman fighting and was decried because "women shouldn't put eachother down, sisters need to stick together" and all that BS, Wildest Dreams for the above-mentioned identity politics reasons.

I have never seen a male songwriter being subjected to that amount of idiotic political vitriol for singing from the heart. Even Chris Brown after he attacked Rihanna was able to write blatantly provocative stuff like "Don't Judge Me" (seriously dude? c'mon!) and it didn't cause a political firestorm among the entertainment media.

Eh??

Eminem was highly controversial on his earlier records for all that he said, protests and debates on tv about censoring his music. His introspection though carried him as more than just a talented gore comedy entertainer. Since then he's been largely a parody of himself, doing weak ballad songs. But you're kidding yourself if you think males can get away with saying these things.

I'd diaagree with your assertion that females are harshly judged. Taylor swift and them might write good catchy pop music on love, but it's hardly to the same degree as the likes of Regina Spektor or huge acts like Lana Del Rey, Marina and the diamonds who don't catch the same flack

sadie06

Dolly Parton: Jolene, I Will Always Love You

Joni Mitchell: well loads of them, but A Case of You stands out.

Carol King: again lots, but You Make Me Feel Like a Natural Woman is probably the most passionate.

Annie Lennox: Cold, Love Song for a Vampire.

Sheryl Crow: Strong Enough

Tracey Thorn with Massive Attack: Protection.

Off the top of my head…

There are great love songs written by both sexes. Fact.

justchecked

ten d : low hanging fruit

razorblunt

Van Morrison - Someone Like You.

I know alot of girls that don't know that song and wouldn't request it, but as soon as it comes on they melt.