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ATH 2015: The final - BeakerJoe vs Omackeral
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Well its a hell of a question and I know I have my work cut out for me against Omackeral, who has played excellently thus far and he is the man to beat. Here is my final answer which I hope will final best Mr O’Mack.
So it’s after Wrestlemania 31 and it’s up to me to create a program that will capture the imagination of the WWE Universe for the summer of 2015. There’s plenty of ways to go, but using the current roster, but I’ve an idea that will hopefully ruffle a few feathers and rattle a few cages. I’ll try lay the goings on months by month and hopefully I will have everything as clear as can be.
Anyway my angle begins in April, 2 weeks after Wrestlemania 32 and the fallout from the biggest night in the WWE calendar. Seth Rollins is Champion, The Authority is in power and all is well in the land of the bad guy heels. You guys know the situation.The run up to the Extreme Rules PPV
Steph and Hunter come out to address the crowd for the end segment of Monday Night Raw, 2 weeks before Extreme Rules. They say how much Wrestlemania was a success and it’s all because of them and they declare The Authority have made WWE a better place. Suddenly they are interrupted by the music of.... ....Vince McMahon.
Vince struts out and says hes been watching how Hunter and Stephanie have handled running the WWE over the last few months and he agrees they’ve been a success. But even though they have been a success, watching them run the company has made him want to return himself. Vince says he misses running his baby and he is here tonight to take back the reigns from his daughter and her husband. Hunter and Steph don’t seem to be to happy about this, and they tell Vince he cant do this, But Vince politely tells them its already agreed with the WWE shearholders, Vince McMahon is back in charge.
He says that even though WWE has been running fine the last few months, Vince says the shareholders have watched the last few months of WWE programming and they are unhappy with the level of involvement from the authority and quite frankly, he is too. Vince and the shareholders believe that the Authority are drunk with Power and that hes here to step in and steer the WWE into calmer waters. Vince says its nothing personal, its just business and as Chairman he’s her to run the show and that Hunter and Steph can go back to working behind the scenes.
The show ends with Hunter and Steph looking disillusioned and Vince smiling.
From here things go as the have done except without Hunter and Steph. Vince stacks the deck against Seth Rollins by placing him in the matches against at the next few PPVs (the Randy Orton,Kane, Reigns 4 way, The Ambrose series and The Brock match. At Battleground) and his feuds play out more or less the same except Seth keeps retaining via cheating rather than help from the Authority and Rollins come is still champion heading into Summerslam.
Now before we get to Summer slam another story develops.....Well my big Summer Angle develops.......Enter KEVIN OWENS
I wouldnt change his initial debut on the Main roster as I believe it was pretty much perfect. I’d have him interrupt Cena and leave him lying in the ring, holding the NXT title aloft while stand on Cena’s US title and I’d also have him beat Cena in similar fashion in his debut match, just like he did. But here’s where things change.The lead up to Money IN The Bank PPV
They would continue their rivalry as they did, with Machine Gun Kelly being put through a table and a rematch happening at MITB. In the build up Id half Kevin be so confident of becoming United States Champion, that he would vacate the NXT title (keeps him stronger than having him lose it to Balor in Japan.)
Money in the Bank PPV
The match would open the show and the match would go down much of the same way as it did, only Owens wins clean again. After the match, Owens would get on the mic and stand over a fallen John Cena and berate him before he quotes his own hero Owen hart by saying “Enough is Enough and its time for a change”. Then I’d have Owens decimate John Cena, and I mean decimate him. I’d have him beat John to a bloody pulp and bash him repeatedly with chair before delivering a running powerbomb off the stage to a table below (Similar to what he did to MGK). Owens not only beats Cena, but he destroys him and puts him on the shelf. The commentators put Owens over big and Owens leaves as US champion and the conqueror of John Cena .The next night on Raw
Vince will book Brock v Rollins early in the night to kickoff the show. Just keep that in mind for later.
Owens is out to address the crowd. He tells a short story about how Vince McMahon and his talent scouts looked Owens up in 2008 at a Ring of Honor show and that he didn’t get signed because I was slightly over weight and that he didn’t have that Dwanye Johnson or John Cena look or physique. Owens says that was his motivation in the years that followed and that since then he worked hard to prove to everyone that I am the greatest wrestler that ever lived. He says in August last year he was signed by an NXT talent scout, unknown to McMahon and in the last year he has proved in NXT that he cant be stopped. He says Vince McMahon lit that fire inside him years ago and that last night he beat his boy John Cena to a bloody pulp and now hes calling Vince out to make him apologise and admit that he got it wrong.
Vince is out and he lays into Owens for his actions as of late and chastises him for attacking MGK and injuring John Cena. Vince is irate and accuses Kevin Owens of not appreciating the opportunities the WWE and he have given him.
Owens says hes been waiting for his chance to speak with Vince 1 on 1 in the ring since they day he signed. Owens says hes going to tell Vince a few home truths, s suggesting how he never got signed in past was because of how Vince and Johnny Ace called him a fat, out-of-shape spot monkey. He says Vince never liked him because he didn’t have the look of a “sports entertainer” and that he didn’t fit the WWE mould. Owens says he worked his ass off and he earned his opportunity the hard way and says it wasn’t even Vince that signed him anyway. Owens says he sent a message to not only the WWE locker room last night, but he sent a message to Vince that he is the real deal and that he will stop at nothing to prove him wrong.
Vince lays into him, asking him “Do you know who the hell your talking to damn it??”
Owens calmly responds : “Do you know who I am?”, before kicking Vince in the gut and delivering a huge Pop-up-Powerbomb to the chairmen.
Owens drags Vince up and throws him to the outside and up teh ramp. He sets Vince up for a Powerbomb off the stage and Referees come out to try dissuade Owens from going through with it. Owens doesn’t listen and jumps off the stage to a table (and padding) below. Referees and security tackle him and escort him out as he smiles sadistically as EMTs check on Vince. Vince is stretched out and taken away to a local medical facility.
The fallout from Owens attacking Vince
3 weeks until Battleground
The next week we here from Michael Cole that Vince is in an induced coma as a result of Kevin Owens attack. We see clips of Stephanie and Hunter at Vinces bedside throughout the show and its all very emotional stuff. Triple H eventually storms off with the declaration hes going to make Owens pay.
Owens is absent from the show as he is suspended indefinitely according to Michael Cole throughout the show and replays of last weeks attack is played throughout.2 weeks until BattlegroundThe next week comes around and Vince is still in a coma and his condition is worsening. ,but we are told by Michael Cole that an emergency meeting was called and we will go live to the meeting at the end of the show.
During the show we have a sit down interview with Kevin Owens, who shows no remorse for his actions and basically says Vince got what he deserved.
The End of the show comes and we see Triple H addressing the boards members. He tells the board that its unlikely that Vince will recover and he has a medical report from the doctor which outlines that Vince is at deaths door. Hunter tells the board that Stephanie is at Vinces bedside holding vigil with the rest of the family and that with Vinces condition looking bleak, he has obtained power of attorney over Vince estate since Steph and the rest of the family are busy at Vinces bedside. Hunter tells the board that with his own shares and now with power of attorney over Vinces shares, he is in temporary full control of WWE .1 week until Battleground
Its announced that Triple H will return to WWE at battleground and its hyped throughout the show. Currently Vinces condition hasn’t gotten any better and Hunter and Steph and the rest of his family are still by his bedside. There is no sign of Owens on the show, but its announced that he will be a guest on the John Stewart Show during the week, prior to BattlegroundThe John Stewart ShowOwens is interviewed for around 5 minutes and says that he will be remembered as the greatest wrestler who ever lived and as the man who killed Vince McMahon. Stewart has a right go at him calling him a monster and an remorseless human being, which prompts Owens to grab Stewart by ten scruff before leaving.
Battleground
Triple H returns and cuts a face promo on Owens and declares that he is now in full charge and that if Owens wants a fight then Owens has got one with him. Hunter says that from now he reinstates Owens and is ordering him to face him 1 on 1 tomorrow night on Raw.Raw – five weeks until Summerslam
The match is hyped all through the night and it comes to the end of the show. Hunter is in streetfight clothes and calls Owens out for a fight. Owens appears via satellite and says hes a Prizefighter and now that he put Cena on the shelf and Vince in a coffin, he only fights when its on his terms. Owens says he will turn up at Summerslam and says he wants Hunter on the big stage. Hunter accepts and Hunter is fuming at the non appearance of Owens to close the show.
Also with Cena out, Rollins after beating Brock will go into a feud with Roman Reigns and they will fight for the title at Summerslam.Raw – 4 weeks until Summerslam
Still no improvemnt from Vince but we are informed that a contact signing will happen next week from Owens and Hunter. We get a sit down interview with Hunter says how hes gonna get vengeance for Vince and his family at Summerslam and we also get one from Owens saying hes going to take out Triple H at Summerslam and add him to the list of names hes destroyed.
Raw – 3 Weeks until Summerslam
The contact signing takes place and a gulf of security are between Hunter and Owens as they both sign and have hurtful words for each other. Hunter goes for Owens but the security keeps them apart.
As we go off the air, Michael Cole leaves us with a news Update-...... VINCE IS AWAKE.Raw – 2 weeks until Summerslam
We get a full update on Vince that hes awake and that hes recovering at a fast rate and progressing well.
Raw – 1 week until Summerslam
Hunter and Steph are live from his beside and Vince says he will be at Summerslam to witness Hunter kick Owens ass.
Owens is in the live arena and cutting a promo on Hunter and Vince when Shawn Michaels comes out. He gets in Owens face, sticking up for his friend Hunter and tells Owens hes in for the fight of his life at Summerslam.
Owens responds with “ Your in the fight of your life right now Shawn!” as he attacks HBK and lays him out, sending a message to Hunter for Summerslam.
Summerslam – Owens v Triple H
Owens is out first and is looking very confident. Triple H is out next and is accompanied by Stephanie whos wheeling Vince McMahon down to rindside. Hunter stand on the outside and doesn’t do his usual entrance, except he eyeballs Owens from the outside. We can hear Vince yelling on at Hunter to “kill him, kill that son of a bitch!”
The commentators note that its strange that Hunter isn’t going straight to attack Owens with caution to the wind, but put it down to caution against the dangerous Owens. Hunter, though originally looking fired up, askes for the Mic at ringside.
Hunter : "Vince.....Pop..... this is for you!"
Hunter slides in the ring and goes nose to nose with Owens before .......EMBRACING OWENS!!!!?
That right, they hug in the ring and begin to laugh at Vince and Steph on the outside. It was all a rues. Both Steph and Vince are in shock as Hunter grabs the mic again.
Hunter mocks both Steph and Vince before explaining that he hatched this plan months ago when Vince inserted himself back to power. Hunter explains he kept WWE running over the years when Vince lost interest or got bored and he kept it going. He says it wasn’t right what happened and he was the rightful owner of WWE.
Hunter reveals that it was him who saw potential in Owens and it was him who signed him to NXT and it was him who suggested he attack Cena and it was him who suggest he calls out Vince and attack him.
With Vince out of the picture and Stephanie too busy with tending to him, Triple H used this to gain power of attorney over Vinces shares and now Triple H is the majority shareholder and in full control of WWE as he signed Vinces shares over to himself. He says he had to do it Steph and he doesn’t regret it one bit. He says Steph held him back and that Vince is a fossil who refuses to step down and call it a day.
Stephs world has been shattered and is in floods of tears and Vince is red with anger. Owens and Hunter laugh do a “too sweet” gesture as Vince and Steph are left reeling.
Also at Summerslam Rollins will beat Roman reigns after a hard fought battle, with Rollins winning clean. After the match, Roman will extend his hand to Rollins, explaining they both left it all in the ring and suggesting he gained his respect. Rollins shakes and they end the show putting their past behind them after a war in the ring.
Going forward
Hunter and Owens are now the top heels and Seth can challenge them initially.
They can be confronted by Rollins, who is now showing more face qualities in this promo following how Summerslam ended and will set up a Rollins v Owens feud. This can lead to many possibilities and great matches, as Rollins is now top face and champion and he can feud with Owens. Great matches would be the outcome between Rollins and Owens in the future, a possible face reunion of the Shield and perhaps a Rollins v Hunter match down the road and maybe even Top heel Owens v a returning Brock!Hope you all enjoyed0 -
The Wyatt Family's War of Attrition
April
The night after Wrestlemania is typically a high profile edition of Raw. This is where our story begins. We're live in San Jose, California. Former WWE World Heavyweight Brock Lesnar storms to the ring looking battle ready only 24 hours removed from losing his title in controvservial circumstances to Seth Rollins. There's no beating around the bush here, Paul Heyman tells us that his client is demanding to invoke his WWE World Heavyweight Championship rematch clause tonight. He runs down Seth Rollins as an opportunistic little weasel and gives us a spoiler, not a predicition, that the Beast will be leaving California as he came into it and that's as champion. We see Heyman meeting with Stephanie McMahon later on and he confirms with her that the match will take place tonight. He also offers his sincere best wishes to her for HHH who isn't there tonight, following on from his big match the night before.
Halfway through the show we here the familiar music of Bray Wyatt. He says that last night he took the mighty Undertaker to the edge. Next he's gonna take over. Tonight the movement grows. Tonight the Buzzards come home. Follow me my fireflies, cos we've got the whole world in our hands.... He leads the crowd in song and they don't disappoint.
It's main event time and new champion Seth Rollins comes down to the ring to answer Brock Lesnar's challenge. He's brash and braggadocious. He smirks in Lesnar's face. Before the action gets underway, Rollins declares himself to be the greatest WWE World Heavyweight Champion in history. He also point blank refuses to defend the title against Lesnar and laughs. Lesnar responds by attacking Rollins but the champion escapes. Lesnar then attacks Rollins' security team Jamie Noble and Joey Mercury, a cameraman, and broadcast announcer Booker T. As a result, Lesnar gets suspended indefinitely and fined by Stephanie McMahon. Steph loses her marbles and goes off on Lesnar saying he doesn't make the rules around here. She does. She's a McMahon dammit! We are the Authority. Nobody runs this place but us. Nobody!!! At this time the lights go out and we hear the familiar screech of Bray Wyatts into. They come back on and Bray Wyatt is in his crab-walk pose in the ring right in front of Stephanie. She shrieks for help. At this time Kane and Big Show come out onto the ramp and stop just short of the ring apron. Again the lights go out and we hear the screeching sound. When they come back up...
The Wyatt Family is back together. The Prodigal Son and The White Sheep have returned from whence they came. Show and Kane get out of Dodge as Steph retreats cowering between them.May
As May rolls around, Randy Orton is declared declared the number one contender to Rollins' WWE World Heavyweight Championship by virtue of having beaten him at WrestleMania prior to his cash in. The match is set for Extreme Rules and will be contested inside a cage as per Rollins choosing of stipulation. He's become a paranoid champ after the Lesnar fiasco and fears the Beast Incarnate could show up at anytime. He's also had run ins and slimy escapes from Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose as of late on Raw and Smackdown. He made a plea to Stephanie for extra protection during his cage match so she has appointed Kane and Big Show as Gatekeepers and banned the RKO from being used. Randy Orton is teaching Seth a lesson and his experience is showing in the one on one situation. With his go-to move, the Apex Predator is going deeper into his repertoire. He hits a Batista Bomb and even a Pedigree, a nod to his own Evolution days, to get near falls. Then he gets a look in his eye and starts to set up for a move we haven't seen in a long time. The prone champion is about to receive the dreaded Punt Kick. At the last minute, Kane storms the ring and catches Orton by the throat. Randy escapes the Demon's chokeslam attempt mid-air and hits him with an RKO. However, Rollins has recovered and sneaks out the open door to yet another slimy finish. Big Show enters the ring and padlocks the door shut, trapping Orton in there with himself and Kane. Orton tries to fight them off but eventually succumbs and is hit with a Knockout Punch. Meanwhile a knackered but gloating Rollins laughs from the stage clutching his title belt and speaking into a microphone. ''You idiot, don't you know that I always have an ace or two up my sleeve, that's why I'm the Man. Nobody can touch me. I'm the smartest champion that ever lived hahaha!!!'' As he finishes his sentence, the unmistakable screeching sound of the Wyatt Family is heard. When the camera pans back we see Bray Wyatt, Luke Harper and Erick Rowan outside surrounding the cage. The crowd are going nuts. The two giants are locking eyes with them. Wyatt instructs his disciples to climb a side of the cage each. Kane and Big Show prepare to meet them on either side, wih their backs to each other but on opposite sides of the ring. Bray Wyatt starts to laugh as the two henchmen stop half way through their ascent. Then, up through the dead centre of the canvas comes this massive man mountain...
The following night on Raw, Bray Wyatt opens up the show. He introduces us all to The New Face of Destruction and Sister Abigail's Black Sheep, Braun Strowman. He says that his family is stronger than ever and now he wants his fireflies to come with him right to the top. He lays his claim to the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. Stephanie McMahon appears on the Titantron and denies his request outright and says that you don't just get what you want by terrorizing the entire WWE Universe. She announces the Championship match has already been decided for the Fatal 4 Way PPV and will feature Seth Rollins, Roman Reigns, Dean Ambrose and Randy Orton. Wyatt calmly says back that she should listen to the Universe, his fireflies. ''They grow in numbers by the week, m'lady, listen to them!!! Can't you hear?'' He leads the crowd on another rendition of Whole World in his Hands. Stephanie is adamant and abruptly says no. Bray's tone changes. ''Very well Boss woman, my followers grow by the week'', he puts his hand on Strowman's shoulder, ''but so too do my warriors''. She takes this as a threat and says that he will not receive a title shot anytime soon if that is how he wants to do business. He responds furiously by saying ''this won't be business, this will be warfare''. He then slips back into his calm demeanour and chuckles ''besides, you said anytime soon?''. He begins to sing. ''Tiiiime is on my side''.June
Fatal 4 Way kicks off with an eponymous match for the WWE Tag Team Championship. This match is hard hitting and sees one stand out team put the rest of the roster on notice, namely Luke Harper and Erick Rowan. Now known as The Reapers, they are more hard hitting than ever before and have seamless chemistry. They beat The New Day, The Primetime Players and Tyson Kidd/Cesaro to claim the first gold for the Wyatt Family.
Bo Dallas is going up against 'The Man That Gravity Forgot' Neville midway through the show. They've been having a little series up to this point but Bo is at 0-4 (or Bo and 4, as he calls it.) With each match they have, Dallas gets a little closer to victory but is beaten each time. He gives a good account of himself on this occasion but comes up short with a pinfall loss, even though his foot appeared to be on the ropes. After the match he gets on the mic and starts to do his Bo-lieve schtick. Halfway through it, he stops his cheeriness and says he can't go on like this anymore. He says the cryptic words ''I need my shepherd, come and guide me''. The commentators are speculating what this means as we go to our next video package.
The main event of the PPV is in full swing. Ambrose and Reigns have been working well as a team throughout the match but have also come to blows inevitably. Rollins has been trying all sorts of shenanigans like sitting in the timekeepers' area and hiding under the ring. The closing sequence sees Dean Ambrose sending Roman Reigns to the outside to a waiting Randy Orton, who had been catching a breather. The two throughbreds get into it. Reigns looks set to spear Orton by running across the two announce tables only for Randy to counter it with a modified RKO, destroying the furniture. Rollins sneaks in to the ring and clocks Ambrose with the Title. 1.....2..... Blackout. They Wyatt Family hit the ring and cause absolute destruction. It's reminiscent of the Nexus debut when they destroyed the ring area. They're all there Bray Wyatt, Luke Harper, Erick Rowan, Braun Strowman. Chaos is reigning and Wyatt gets on the mic. ''She's Here''. Out comes a hooded figure who we assume to be the personification of Sister Abigail leading a sheep mask-wearing individual in a boiler suit.
They enter the ring. Wyatt says that Sister Abigail has given him back his Prodigal Son. She's returned his White Sheep and bestowed upon him the new Face of Destruction in the form of the Black Sheep Braun Strowman. He says that she has one more gift to give. ''We truly are Family'', says Wyatt. Each one of them says the word Family. Wyatt then thanks Sister Abigail for her latest gift and the one he treasure most, his Sacrificial Lamb. Once again, they all say Family. She removes her hood and the sheep mask comes off the so-called Lamb.
It's Bray's real life sister Mika in the guise of Sister Abigail and his real life brother Bo Dallas finally joining him.
The next night on Raw sees the return of HHH. He's not in the mood of festivities, however. He takes off his blazer and rolls up his sleeves. ''Bray Wyatt you son of a bitch, you want to declare war?!'' He fumes that the cage couldn't keep the Wyatts out at Extreme Rules. The numbers at Fatal 4 Way couldn't keep them at bay. He says that they're gonna be met head on. ''I know I can't keep you out, I can damn well keep you in. You want a war? You got one. Prepare for War Games''July
From here Team Authority is assembled comprising of HHH, Seth Rollins, Sheamus, Rusev and Kevin Owens. Big Show and Kane are deemed expendable on the basis they couldn't keep the Wyatts at bay. There can be some descension between Mr Money in the Bank Sheamus and Seth Rollins, the current Champion. All of which angers HHH. Kevin Owens is just the pain in the ass he always is but as he's a prize fight, he'll fight for cash. Rusev has done business with the Authority on and off and wants to climb the ladder again so is has sworn his allegiance to the top brass.
The match could have an emotionally charged wager. If the Wyatts win, Bray and his cohorts get title shots which could lead to a situation like this.
(Switch belts around so Harper and Rowan are tag champs, Dallas in for Rose)August and beyond
SummerSlam would be around the corner with some fresh direction. Seth Rollins vs Bray Wyatt could be a great main event with two lads in their 20's. You could potentially mix it up with Wyatt vs Lesnar for a match we've never seen. Even a fan made graphic gets me excited for that one
I feel this storyline works on quite a few levels.
- It gets Bray Wyatt over as a major star, something he should have been a long time ago. It fixes the damage done to him following the nonsensical losses to John Cena and Undertaker at consecutive WrestleManias
- It gets the crowd cheering for him, something they've wanted to do for a long while. His entrance pops a crowd fairly hard still even though they give him crap to work with. I've seldom seen a heel/tweener as over as he has been with crowds chanting and singing along with his words. Push him to a face leaning tweener with a dark side, like Taker was in the late 90's.
-It introduces freaking War Games!!! Here's a fresh concept for WWE. It would 100% draw. It's got the novelty of being new and nostalgic all at once. A great opportunity financially and creatively. It also honors Dusty Rhodes, who was the creator of this match. It feels like a massive occasion also, King of the Ring used to be a cool mid summer event. That's been brushed under the rug. This is an ideal big deal match up.
-It's a chance for the likes of Rusev, Harper, Kevin Owens to mix it up in the main event. Owens vs Wyatt would be great. Likewise Rusev. It also gives the talented Bo Dallas a fresh start and lets fans see him interact with his brother, which they've often pined for.0 -
Firstly let me say I’m delighted to be able to battle it out in the final with Omackeral. I’ve loved interacting with the man on boards and I’ve a lot of respect for the guy and his opinions. His answers thus far have been fantastic and if I do lose to him, I will have no complaints. That being said I’m coming out fighting and I’m going to do my best to come out on top.The Wyatt Family's War of Attrition
I will openly admit that I roll my eyes at the sight of Bray Wyatt and his family. In 2013 they had a fresh vibe to them and certainly an intriguing mystery about them. Sadly, in the 2 years that have past since their debut on the Main Roster, a lack of creative direction and no character progression has slowly killed any momentum Bray Wyatt had in WWE. With each feud, his character continues to stagnate and never develop into anything more than a cool look and entrance. His rambling promos go no where and his feuds are usually baseless and as the months creep by his persona is getting more damaged as time progresses.
Not only that but lazy booking has not only hurt him, but it seems to have a negative affect on those feuding with him. Dean Ambrose value had certainly dropped as a result of a feud with Wyatt and Roman Reigns is in my opinion falling victim of being placed opposite to Bray and his cronies.
With Bray being such a damaged character in 2015, I feel you’ve made a grave error in choosing Bray to be the focal point of your summer angle straight off the bat.
April
.The night after Wrestlemania is typically a high profile edition of Raw. This is where our story begins. We're live in San Jose, California. Former WWE World Heavyweight Brock Lesnar storms to the ring looking battle ready only 24 hours removed from losing his title in controvservial circumstances to Seth Rollins. There's no beating around the bush here, Paul Heyman tells us that his client is demanding to invoke his WWE World Heavyweight Championship rematch clause tonight. He runs down Seth Rollins as an opportunistic little weasel and gives us a spoiler, not a predicition, that the Beast will be leaving California as he came into it and that's as champion. We see Heyman meeting with Stephanie McMahon later on and he confirms with her that the match will take place tonight. He also offers his sincere best wishes to her for HHH who isn't there tonight, following on from his big match the night before.
Halfway through the show we here the familiar music of Bray Wyatt. He says that last night he took the mighty Undertaker to the edge. Next he's gonna take over. Tonight the movement grows. Tonight the Buzzards come home. Follow me my fireflies, cos we've got the whole world in our hands.... He leads the crowd in song and they don't disappoint
Now while I’ve no problem with the opening with Brock and Seth, seeing as this is what played out in WWE in April, Its a fine way to begin. No problems here.
I will pick a hole in having Bray appear on Raw straight after his match with Taker at Wrestlemania. Bray was made look very ordinary against an ageing Dead Man and he suffered a loss which damaged him severely.
As I recall WWE kept him off TV in hope that his character recovered from such a damaging loss for the best part of 2 months following Wrestlemania in the hope that time away from the ring would help the audience forget about this big loss.
So now after a big loss to Taker, you have him declaring to Takeover Raw? His credibility is lacking 24 hours on from Raw after losing to a broken down man twice his age at Wrestlemania. Id fail to believe him being able to “Takeover” anything after seeing look so weak against Taker only 1 day prior.It's main event time and new champion Seth Rollins comes down to the ring to answer Brock Lesnar's challenge. He's brash and braggadocious. He smirks in Lesnar's face. Before the action gets underway, Rollins declares himself to be the greatest WWE World Heavyweight Champion in history. He also point blank refuses to defend the title against Lesnar and laughs. Lesnar responds by attacking Rollins but the champion escapes. Lesnar then attacks Rollins' security team Jamie Noble and Joey Mercury, a cameraman, and broadcast announcer Booker T. As a result, Lesnar gets suspended indefinitely and fined by Stephanie McMahon. Steph loses her marbles and goes off on Lesnar saying he doesn't make the rules around here. She does. She's a McMahon dammit! We are the Authority. Nobody runs this place but us. Nobody!!! At this time the lights go out and we hear the familiar screech of Bray Wyatts into. They come back on and Bray Wyatt is in his crab-walk pose in the ring right in front of Stephanie. She shrieks for help. At this time Kane and Big Show come out onto the ramp and stop just short of the ring apron. Again the lights go out and we hear the screeching sound. When they come back up...
The Wyatt Family is back together. The Prodigal Son and The White Sheep have returned from whence they came. Show and Kane get out of Dodge as Steph retreats cowering between them.
While Ive no realproblems with this angle,other than Bray Wyatts credibility following his defeat to Taker, this angle is fine by me. Its interesting and while nothing ground breaking, its a segemnt that would generate some interest to say the least.
But where is Brockin all of this? Brocks gone nuts right and Steph has come out to suspend him right? and then The Wyatts Show up? Has Brock vanished? Bit odd that hes there one minute then gone the next when Wyatt enters.May
Ok what? Its May. What happened in the 2/3/4 weeks after this Raw after Wrestlemania? Did Steph react? What did Wyatt do next? Theres a huge gap here and it be odd not to follow it up at least before the May PPV?
nothing major needs to happen,sure, but some sort of filler to keep the angle running would be needed, no?As May rolls around, Randy Orton is declared declared the number one contender to Rollins' WWE World Heavyweight Championship by virtue of having beaten him at WrestleMania prior to his cash in. The match is set for Extreme Rules and will be contested inside a cage as per Rollins choosing of stipulation. He's become a paranoid champ after the Lesnar fiasco and fears the Beast Incarnate could show up at anytime. He's also had run ins and slimy escapes from Roman Reigns and Dean Ambrose as of late on Raw and Smackdown. He made a plea to Stephanie for extra protection during his cage match so she has appointed Kane and Big Show as Gatekeepers and banned the RKO from being used. Randy Orton is teaching Seth a lesson and his experience is showing in the one on one situation. With his go-to move, the Apex Predator is going deeper into his repertoire. He hits a Batista Bomb and even a Pedigree, a nod to his own Evolution days, to get near falls. Then he gets a look in his eye and starts to set up for a move we haven't seen in a long time. The prone champion is about to receive the dreaded Punt Kick. At the last minute, Kane storms the ring and catches Orton by the throat. Randy escapes the Demon's chokeslam attempt mid-air and hits him with an RKO. However, Rollins has recovered and sneaks out the open door to yet another slimy finish. Big Show enters the ring and padlocks the door shut, trapping Orton in there with himself and Kane. Orton tries to fight them off but eventually succumbs and is hit with a Knockout Punch. Meanwhile a knackered but gloating Rollins laughs from the stage clutching his title belt and speaking into a microphone. ''You idiot, don't you know that I always have an ace or two up my sleeve, that's why I'm the Man. Nobody can touch me. I'm the smartest champion that ever lived hahaha!!!'' As he finishes his sentence, the unmistakable screeching sound of the Wyatt Family is heard. When the camera pans back we see Bray Wyatt, Luke Harper and Erick Rowan outside surrounding the cage. The crowd are going nuts. The two giants are locking eyes with them. Wyatt instructs his disciples to climb a side of the cage each. Kane and Big Show prepare to meet them on either side, wih their backs to each other but on opposite sides of the ring. Bray Wyatt starts to laugh as the two henchmen stop half way through their ascent. Then, up through the dead centre of the canvas comes this massive man mountain...
Again, no major problems here except for two things You mention firstly that “the crowd go nuts”, ....Would they? I cant remember the last time the Wyatts got any sort of decent reaction. Maybe in early to mid 2014,Id agree perhaps, but they are stale these days and doing the same shtick thats gone way past their sell by date
Also the ending is in a cage correct? Then where does Randy go at the end? .....What happens when Braun enters? Does the PPV end there? It seems to be lacking an ending here and Id feel they would need more than Brauns entrance here to satisfy people.
And even if Braun enters and attacks Kane and Show, its not gonna be great stuff. One inexperienced monster beating up to past their prime monsters. Its not must see TV. Remember when Braun debuted, it was crickets and he attacked Roman Reigns, someone with arguably higher stock than heel Kane and Big Show..... Its lacking any real entertainment or any real reason for the crowd to become invested.The following night on Raw, Bray Wyatt opens up the show. He introduces us all to The New Face of Destruction and Sister Abigail's Black Sheep, Braun Strowman. He says that his family is stronger than ever and now he wants his fireflies to come with him right to the top. He lays his claim to the WWE World Heavyweight Championship. Stephanie McMahon appears on the Titantron and denies his request outright and says that you don't just get what you want by terrorizing the entire WWE Universe.
One problemI have is the obviously heel Steph going against a heel faction. Even if the Wyatts are slowly turning face against the evil Authority, Ive no reason to get behind either Bray or Steph. Id be confused who the face and heel are in this scenario and this angle would be struggling to hold my attention, personally.She announces the Championship match has already been decided for the Fatal 4 Way PPV and will feature Seth Rollins, Roman Reigns, Dean Ambrose and Randy Orton. Wyatt calmly says back that she should listen to the Universe, his fireflies. ''They grow in numbers by the week, m'lady, listen to them!!! Can't you hear?'' He leads the crowd on another rendition of Whole World in his Hands. Stephanie is adamant and abruptly says no. Bray's tone changes. ''Very well Boss woman, my followers grow by the week'', he puts his hand on Strowman's shoulder, ''but so too do my warriors''. She takes this as a threat and says that he will not receive a title shot anytime soon if that is how he wants to do business. He responds furiously by saying ''this won't be business, this will be warfare''. He then slips back into his calm demeanour and chuckles ''besides, you said anytime soon?''. He begins to sing. ''Tiiiime is on my side''.
Apart from the flaws Ive pointed out already, my only other problem so far is teh lack of weekly progression. What happens from here to the next PPV? What does Bray and his minions do from now until then..... I would fear the big gaps in between storyline progression would not only stall the angle, but it would the fans may forget about this storyline by the time the next phase begins and it wouldnt have the same impact with this kind of patchy, gappy build.JuneFatal 4 Way kicks off with an eponymous match for the WWE Tag Team Championship. This match is hard hitting and sees one stand out team put the rest of the roster on notice, namely Luke Harper and Erick Rowan. Now known as The Reapers, they are more hard hitting than ever before and have seamless chemistry. They beat The New Day, The Primetime Players and Tyson Kidd/Cesaro to claim the first gold for the Wyatt Family.
Ive no problem with this,maybe a small minor gripe with the tag team belts not being on The New Day, but Its not a big deal. Harper and Rowan are a decent team and Ive no problems with them being elevated.Bo Dallas is going up against 'The Man That Gravity Forgot' Neville midway through the show. They've been having a little series up to this point but Bo is at 0-4 (or Bo and 4, as he calls it.) With each match they have, Dallas gets a little closer to victory but is beaten each time. He gives a good account of himself on this occasion but comes up short with a pinfall loss, even though his foot appeared to be on the ropes. After the match he gets on the mic and starts to do his Bo-lieve schtick. Halfway through it, he stops his cheeriness and says he can't go on like this anymore. He says the cryptic words ''I need my shepherd, come and guide me''. The commentators are speculating what this means as we go to our next video package.
Maybe Im wrong about Adding Bo to the mix, but just because he's a real life brother to Wyatt, I feel he wouldnt be a great fit to the group. Its an interesting idea and one that is at the very least fresh, but Id have my worries about Dallas being taken seriously as hes been used as a more of a comedy jobber since going to the main roster. Maybe Im wrong but Id have my doubts.The main event of the PPV is in full swing. Ambrose and Reigns have been working well as a team throughout the match but have also come to blows inevitably. Rollins has been trying all sorts of shenanigans like sitting in the timekeepers' area and hiding under the ring. The closing sequence sees Dean Ambrose sending Roman Reigns to the outside to a waiting Randy Orton, who had been catching a breather. The two throughbreds get into it. Reigns looks set to spear Orton by running across the two announce tables only for Randy to counter it with a modified RKO, destroying the furniture. Rollins sneaks in to the ring and clocks Ambrose with the Title. 1.....2..... Blackout. They Wyatt Family hit the ring and cause absolute destruction. It's reminiscent of the Nexus debut when they destroyed the ring area. They're all there Bray Wyatt, Luke Harper, Erick Rowan, Braun Strowman. Chaos is reigning and Wyatt gets on the mic. ''She's Here''. Out comes a hooded figure who we assume to be the personification of Sister Abigail leading a sheep mask-wearing individual in a boiler suit.
They enter the ring. Wyatt says that Sister Abigail has given him back his Prodigal Son. She's returned his White Sheep and bestowed upon him the new Face of Destruction in the form of the Black Sheep Braun Strowman. He says that she has one more gift to give. ''We truly are Family'', says Wyatt. Each one of them says the word Family. Wyatt then thanks Sister Abigail for her latest gift and the one he treasure most, his Sacrificial Lamb. Once again, they all say Family. She removes her hood and the sheep mask comes off the so-called Lamb.
It's Bray's real life sister Mika in the guise of Sister Abigail and his real life brother Bo Dallas finally joining him.
This reveal would be a let down as no one knows who Mika is. While its all good having real life family members, I feel adding these guys to teh mix would truly add little to the group. Bo is a a comedy jobber and would take time to truly regain any sort of credibility and Mika is extremly inexperienced. She wouldnt be camera ready now let alone back in June. Having such a green performer in a prominant postion would be an unwise choice and a let down.
Im all for Wyatts army to grow but this isnt the way. These additions would be a let down and would fail to add anything meaningful to the group besides teh reallife family connection.The next night on Raw sees the return of HHH. He's not in the mood of festivities, however. He takes off his blazer and rolls up his sleeves. ''Bray Wyatt you son of a bitch, you want to declare war?!'' He fumes that the cage couldn't keep the Wyatts out at Extreme Rules. The numbers at Fatal 4 Way couldn't keep them at bay. He says that they're gonna be met head on. ''I know I can't keep you out, I can damn well keep you in. You want a war? You got one. Prepare for War Games''
Whos teh face and heel here? Hunters cvoming off as a face but Seths still a slimey heel? Im really unsure what way Ive to percieve Bray and his Crew as well as Steph and Hunter.
Also youve announced War games, nice touch but wheres teh rest of teh build up to the PPV and the match? Hunter declares war and thats it? what happens in between? Theres a huge void of build up which I think you should have at least drawn out a summary.
One other gripe is that Gimmick matches should be used to end or blow off a feud, not be teh first real match inthe feud. I know current WWE feuds can operate this way sometimes, but it doesnt mean its the right move. A match like this should be the match to end all feuds, not begin it.JulyFrom here Team Authority is assembled comprising of HHH, Seth Rollins, Sheamus, Rusev and Kevin Owens.
There can be some descension between Mr Money in the Bank Sheamus and Seth Rollins, the current Champion. All of which angers HHH. Kevin Owens is just the pain in the ass he always is but as he's a prize fight Rusev has done business with the Authority on and off and wants to climb the ladder again so is has sworn his allegiance to the top brass.
Where did Owens come from? How has he debuted? Has he just arrived? Hesa Prize Fighter? How do we know that since he is supposed to be feuding with Cena now and explaining these things us, Yet here he is thrust into this angle with no build up?August and beyond
SummerSlam would be around the corner with some fresh direction. Seth Rollins vs Bray Wyatt could be a great main event with two lads in their 20's. You could potentially mix it up with Wyatt vs Lesnar for a match we've never seen. Even a fan made graphic gets me excited for that one
Sadly I dont give Bray as much credit as you. Hes a bore to watch in teh ring, his matches are slow and plodding, making them a struggle to get through. His matches should eb short and sweet and he cant do that at Main Event level. He would bring down Rollins and Brock IMO
From a storyline point of view, Bray versus either guy, while fresh, is hard to imagine currently.
Bray (IF HES A FACE, IM STILL CONFUSED FROM YOUR BUILD UP) versus slimey heel Seth doesnt work ...not a hope.
Bray versus face Seth Rollins is hard toimagine, mainly because Seth cant go from being a had everything handed to him heel to top face that quick without looking ridiculous.
Bray versus Brock, couldwork but it only work with plenty of outside shenanigans, as without them Id feel that its simply too one side for Brock not to win.I feel this storyline works on quite a few levels.
I sadly dont, its very hard to imagine whos teh face and whos the heel in this story, and regardless of who it is, I would have a hard time cheering for either party as the good guys. Both would lack huge credibility in that department.
Bray as a face wouldnt get over, Bray as a heel isnt a top star. Hes damaged so much in the last year with lazy booking and little charcter progression that Id find it hard to belive to see him being positioned succesfully at the top of the card.
My answer would make a star out of a man the fans were only dying to see be the new top heel when he debuted only for WWE to feed him to Cena and cut his legs out. In my scenario, I give him the rocket he so sorely needed and he would be the heel star WWE so badly need.
It doesnt,it just positions him there, I feel theres so much damage done to him that he would fail to get over.It gets Bray Wyatt over as a major star, something he should have been a long time ago.
While it does go a long way to fixing this, Wyatt is just so badly damaged that his charcter has go away heat and literally bores the masses. It would never full achieve overness to which you imagine.It fixes the damage done to him following the nonsensical losses to John Cena and Undertaker at consecutive WrestleManias
-It gets the crowd cheering for him, something they've wanted to do for a long while.
Something They havent done since his feud with Cena ended.... 1that would be just under a year from when your storyline begins.... That time is long gone and WWE missed teh boat on that one and sadly the damage has been done and the brand of Bray Wyatt is beyond repair at this stage.
As soon as his entrance has ended, the slience begins. In early 2014, the crowd would buzz.... in early 2015....silence. Time has passed Bray Wyatt by sadly.His entrance pops a crowd fairly hard still even though they give him crap to work with.I've seldom seen a heel/tweener as over as he has been with crowds chanting and singing along with his words.
MITB Dolph Ziggler was arguebaly more over, look at his face turn......
Again in 2015, hes not over anymore.... the buzz(ard) is gone. The time for a good storyline for him was after his Cena feud in 2014, since then its just been down hill. The fans dont care about him anymore.
You look back at Takers late ninities run with Rose tinted glasses. He wasnt that over, WWE were in trouble and it was Austin and Rock that saved things, not Taker. He wasnt as big a deal as people remember him to be in the late 90's as face.Push him to a face leaning tweener with a dark side, like Taker was in the late 90's.-It introduces freaking War Games!!! Here's a fresh concept for WWE.
Its not fresh, its been done before by WCW. Any fan with a network sub can check that out.
Thats an opinion,not fact. While its a cool concept, to say it will 100 percent draw is a huge over statement.It would 100% draw.It's got the novelty of being new and nostalgic all at once.
Ah so you admit its not fresh. Thank you.A great opportunity financially and creatively.
How is it? Surely creating a big cage cost money.... and having two rings means less tickets to sell in the arena. Sounds like a big expense with no guarenttee of being a finacial success. Its a risk IMO, esp with the competitors inside. Would the Wyatt misfits really be a main event draw? I doubt it.
-It's a chance for the likes of Rusev, Harper, Kevin Owens to mix it up in the main event. Owens vs Wyatt would be great.
You would also have Dallas and Harper and Strowman in there, stinking up the joint.
Also Bray Wyatt v Owens..... Owens is a great wrestler but Bray would bring him down IMO.Likewise Rusev. It also gives the talented Bo Dallas a fresh start and lets fans see him interact with his brother, which they've often pined for.
Have people pined for it? Really? I feel he'd be a fish out of water when coupled with these guys, esp after being a joke comedy jobber for the last year.
In summary, Your angle, will something different, isnt going to set teh WWE alight like you may wish. Its litered with flaws, unrealistic expectations and ultimately lacks a solid build with a lacklustre pay off.
My angle has much more potential to be a winner in my eyes and elevates a star who WWE were dying to get behind at the time, rather than a man whos buzz dies a year too late.0 -
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It's a bit of a flakey reason for Vince's return to kick off your massive summer angle. He agrees they've been succesful but wants to stop them. It's all wishy washy.
With the short term aim to get Vince back into power and give Hunter a reason to go for Vengence, the ends justifies the means here.
.I think that's grand and so would most other IWC fans but I can't imagine they'd ever allow Cena to look that weak. They wouldn't even let Rollins beat him clean and he was WWE Champion. Needed outside help. Even at that they made him drop the strap back to Big Match John a month later.
Thats the problem, WWE are afraid of making Cena "look weak".
I thought Vince was pro-Authority in general and therefore anti-Cena? To be honest, all the indy talent scouting stuff is far to close to inside terms and they barely acknowledge ROH exists as it is. It's practically their biggest competition in the US. Great for all the fantasy bookers on Wrestlezone etc sure but in reality I don't see it, defo not if Vince is involved. Tripper touches on it in a miniscule fashion down at NXT but on the main show and with Vince himself, I don't see it.
Again, more online speak. Not gonna happen. Not in Vince's lifetime. Vince has come to me to kick start this summer angle and Cena would not look week here. Owens however would look strong and a star can be born. WWE cant depend on Cena always and are in need of new stars. Cena can eventually return and go toe to toe with owens sometime down the road in a much bigger match than their first two, just because Owens would be a bigger star.
Just because Vince doesnt see it as a good angle, doesnt means its not. Vince is out of touch and probably incapable of booking a hot angle himself in reality in this day and age. If I was pandering to Vince, I'd have Braun Strowman booked as a mega face to squash all comers. Imnot pandering to Vince though, Ive written an angle that could actually be a hot angle for the Summer of 2015.
.Vince is 70. He can't bump at all anymore. 10 years ago he tore both of his quads merely walking to the ring at Royal Rumble 2005. Sad, but true
Vince still works out and has been booked in plenty of matches and angles since 2005. In a safe pair of hands like Owens, on a padded area with Tables, Owens takes the most of the Bump anyway.
After all Mae Young took the same kind of bump and she was even older. Vince does business and hes in shape. A bump like this would be fine for him.So basically we have a near murder happen on a PG show? Vince is gonna die is he? I'm sure the kids will love that, and the sponsors.
Vince takes a big move, hes kayfabe injured. The kids would love it, I know I loved these angles as a child. I was loving Jake Roberts and Savage as a wee lad and Id imagine fans of all ages would lap it up.
Its not murder, its a wrestling attack. It happened plenty of times down the years. Sure Vince blew himself up in 2008, when the show was already going down the PG route. This angle isnt half as bad as that, yet it would be a great way to build drama, excitement and suspense.
The sponsors are funny folk, we dont know how they would react to be honest. The didnt react to Xavier Woods being put through a table did they in recent episodes? It would just be a bigger verison of that excpet.As the man that killed Vince McMahon?! Come on man, that will never fly. Jumping the shark here I'm afraid.
Your clutching at strwas here, Im very happy to let the voters decide that. In my opinion its must see TV and a great way to esblish a true heel in a day and age when WWE are having trouble creating a new top stars.I like it... except the whole coffin thing. It's tasteless, but not in a good way. It's just crass. They type of thing that would make parents switch off for the sake of their children
Hes a heel, a bad guy and eventually he has to do bad things to get that point over. It build him up as a prick and people will pay to see him get his eventual comeupance. i suppose you think Sasha making Izzy cry at Takeover was in bad taste too?
Its a TV show with characters, Owens is a bad guy and little things like this ram that point home.Reads like a script from the writers of Eastenders. Where's the action? The same thing you called me out on you're actually guilty of. It's just moaning and moping and talking. Sounds like dreary TV.
It build the story and builds the tension between Hunter and Owens. Keeping them apart will make people pay to see them tear each other apart on PPV. One thing WWE is guilty of is blowing through angles and fights too soon, this solves that problem.
You simple had gaps with no action...story.... progression.... you just had voids of nothing in between matches.A ruse or a Russo? Because that's what this all sounds like, wheelchairs and swerves. Again, more of this ''kill him'' stuff that's not gonna be acceptable in this current climate.
Oh please, its general story telling and building of a big angle with a dramtic twist at the end.
Look at WWE programming. Its hard to watch even though the wrestling is still top notch. People need good storylines to get them invested and this storyline angle gets people intriged and interested.The biggest issue here is that you've wasted the main event of the biggest match of the year sans Mania on a swerve angle. There's literally no match and no physicality in the main event on the 2nd biggest event of the entire year. Not good enough, you might get away with it on a B-show, not Summerslam.
Well Brock and Taker still happens and Seth V Roman happens earlier at Summerslam so its still a stacked card. Its a story driven angle and Vince wanted a big angle and he got it. I sacrifice one match on the card, to fuel the rest of the years stories and matches.
Its not good enough for who? You?, lets be realistic here, people would tune in and still get a big pay off and a big card and people wont cancel? If they arent gonna cancel after Roman winning teh Rumble in Jan they they wont now.
People may be slightly annoyed ast first at no HHH v Owens match, but will be satisfied at the storyline swerve and they will be interested in what follows and they will tune in.Some of your stuff is good but I think turning Rollins is missing a trick, he's a fantastic slime ball heel. I'd love to see him and Owens on the same page actually. Similarly, turning Steph is a big no no. She's the number 1 female baddie there is. She's believable in her role and sometimes I wonder if she's even acting.
Rollins may be a perfect slime ball heel, but being a slime ball heel isnt main event material. Fans hate the way hes booked thus far and Owens would be far better option as the main event heel if allowed to. Rollins can work as a main event face much better than a main event slime ball heel.
Regarding Steph, while she is a good heel, I personally am sick of her as an Authority Figure. She has go away heat at this stage and with Hunter in power alone Id write her out after Summerslam. Shes put herself over far too much and Id suggest she is gone after the Summerslam angle.Some of what you say here is true, as in the lack of direction and the character stagnation. That's why I feel this is the perfect candidate for an overhaul.
You've not given him an overhaul though, you've just tried to position him higher up the card. People dont want him there. Maybe in 2014 when he was hot, but his brand and character is so damaged that while it may work to a degree, It would be no better than Seths slimeball heel run.Let's give him direction, let's flesh out his character. You seem to think he needs change, so do I.
But wheres teh change, hes still teh same old Bray Wyatt. No change, still has go away heat!Just because he's stalled a bit, does that mean we write him, and his family off just like that? To be honest, that makes you part of the problem more so than him. This era of instant gratification is so annoying.
Instant? Ive persoanlly given him a year to progress, from summer 2013 to Summer 2014.... then I gave up as he began to truly bore me. Hes stagnate so much that I dont care,I just roll my eyes.
When Brays music or horror graphic appears I expect 2 things..... A long winded rambling go no where promo..... or an attack on someone that rarely happens for a real reason. Im just not entertained by him and its hard to get behind the character after 2 years of littleor no story/character progression. Hes the wrong man to push for a big succesful summer angle.What if we gave up on the Ringmaster or Rocky Maivia?
Rocky changed dramticly in a year and was repackaged as a cool slick heel.
Austin was repackaged within 6 months as an completely different character.
Is Bray is repackaged? No
Is Bray turning? I honestly dont see a clear turn.
Has Bray changed at all? No.
Hed still be the same guy he was in 2013.... And Im done with that guy as are most of the WWE universe.Stars can go grow and explode with a little tweaking. Austin and Rock did and became mega stars after being duds when they came in. Both went on to be major face-leening tweeners and full on anti-hero style babyfaces. I'm proposing that with Bray et al.
Your living in a fantasy land of you think your angle achieves an Austin or Rock type run for Bray. Pure dillusion!I seem to remember everyone and their mother marking out for the Shield vs Wyatt Family scenario.
It was over a year ago.... It would happen now. Poor WWE booking has killed any chance they had. The allure of Bray has passed the fans by kind sir.So maybe they've all lost their appeal? Nah, it's creative direction.
They never really had a direction and they have suffered as a result to become the go away heat magnets/ p!ss break.Look at Dean, he lost something like 8 PPV matches in a row in 2014. Roman was rammed down our throats and rejected. Neither of those things have anything to do with Bray Wyatt.
Being paired with Bray hurt Dean so much, the lack of a decent storyline for these two in their feuds did nothing to help either man and both suffered. I think the lack of any real direction for any one that feuds with Bray ultimatly hurts them.
Back in jan/feb 2014.... arguably yes.In fact, I'd say both were at their hottest when feuding with the Family.
In singles compitition ? Id say They were hottest before feuding with Bray and both men stalled as a result of a long boring feud with Mr Wyatt.Also, the Shield vs Wyatts feud showed that a faction based power struggle really can whet the appetites.
Both factions were well established when they began feuding and both arguably two hot teams at the time.
I find it hard for you to recreate the magic of The Wyatts in the summer of 2015 against a mix of superstars who dont regulary team together.The crowd were without doubt going nuts for that and there's no reason why they couldn't again.
The Wyatts are reason enough for the crowd to groan and moan lose interest. You really over estimate the drawing power of Bray Wyatt in 2015.
He doesnt get cheered anymore, fans rarely sing along with him anymore to my knowledge and if anything he makes fans tune out.
Know your audience Omack!The lines were blurred in that it was two heel faction going head to head, with one side (The Shield) definitely leaning towards the face side. My scenario has a similar dynamic only this time it's the Family who will be shifting sides.
That happened natutally, its very hard to do that as youve said it, esp with a damaged team popularity wise like Bray and his Family. I wouldnt buy it. I wouldnt get behind them like I got behind the Shield.
One of the reasons The Shield were so popular was the in-ring talent was so good. The Wyatts have no one of Seth or Ambroses capabilities. Harper is good, but him aside Its a huge void.First things first, kayfabe-wise the Deadman is ageless.
I still see him as an aging veteran. Maybe thats just me.It's there in the name sure. Losing to Undertaker at Wrestlemania, you're seriously gonna use that as a stick to beat someone with? My as well write off Jake Roberts, Randy Orton, Shawn Michaels (x2) and HHH (x3)!
They didnt face Undertaker in 2015 when the Deadman is at his most fagile. After Brock almost killed him at WM30 and the match he and Bray put on at WM31, Taker looked a shell og himself and in kayfabe eyes, should be easy pickings for a man of Brays skills. Many speculated that Taker shouldnt be wrestling and he didnt look great and then by beating Wyatt, he killed a lot of Brays momentuem with that Loss.
Bray looked weak in defeat and it hurt him bad. Fact
If you remeber the segment correctly. Brock burst everyone. He was threatened with suspension if he didn't cease. He then F5'd the life out of the cameraman and was 'fired' by Steph. He then walked out of his own accord. He didn't vanish. Stephanie is in the ring giving out over the Mic stating her dominance and the lights go out. Again, it's easy, not complicated to follow.
You didnt say Brock walked out though, re-read it. Its complicated if parts are missing.You want me to write every miniscule detail? Should I include verbatim promos and call play by play spots? You said the phrase 'some sort of filler'. Who wants to read fluffed out filler? I've included the major points of the angle here. I'm showing the most entertaining and relevant aspects of the programme, not what Luke Harper had for breakfast.
I would just liek to know what happens in between some angles,like youve outlined below. It helps me get a better picture of what to expect and connect some of the dots about how you build up certain parts of the angle. If anything it helps your cause more so I and voters can understand tour plan better and judge it accordingly.Obviously you could have Harper and Rowan putting the tag division on notice and establish themselves as the Reapers. Have them absolutely obliterate Los Matadores, give them credit for putting the Usos on the shelf. Get themselves in the tag title hunt as I've set them up for later on. Bray continues with his crowd pleasing promos and gets over the Time Is On My Side tune like he did in NXT, the audience absolutely loved that. As it's kind of against the spirit to post more media in rebuttals, I'll implore people to remember the Wyatt Family's so-called Chapter Closing segment in NXT before they debuted. Goosebumps type of energy in the arena.
First The audience ate that up in 2014, when was teh last time the fans ate up a Bray Wyatt promo? I cant remeber the last time one of his rambling speechs held my attention.
The NXT fans arent a great comparison to the main roster audience anyway, two different kettles of fish.
I would feel bored if Bray and his family progressed in such a manner and it would be a hot angle as a result.My story had a post match Rollins laugh on stage clutching his title belt and speaking into a microphone gloating only to be interrupted by the unmistakable screeching sound of the Wyatt Family. When the lights came on we saw Wyatt, Luke Harper and Erick Rowan outside surrounding the cage. The crowd were going nuts. Kane and Big Show prepared to meet them on either side of the cage they were climbing, when up through the dead centre of the canvas comes this massive man mountain Braun Strowman
I got that part.... but what happens next? Did Braun attack, where did Randy go? Its not a big deal as I assume they just all ended up attacking kane and Show....
But that in itself turns me off, a brawl between Kane and Show and other big lumbering guts..... no thank you. ZZZZZZZZZZzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Its not crowd pleasing, its hard to watch TV.As stated in my previous paragraph, the crowd would be onside at this stage with the sing-a-long cult syle stuff that's going on. I was in London last year for Raw and Bray was extremely over. The cell phone lights, the taunts, the signature moves, all of it widely cheered. I think with more subtle pandering and audience participation., that would grow by the week.
Theres no proof of that. Bray for all intents and purposes was still done the same shtick and its hasnt gotten him more over, its gotten stale.As for staleness? This reinvigerates everything and thus remedies your concern, in my opinion.
I disagree Sir, what you have outlined just bring Wyatts character in a similar direction to where he is now.... Rammed down peoples throats and positioned at a high place in the card even though the majority of fans are sick of him doing teh same shtick week in ...week out!You're right, it does lack a proper ending. That's because it's setting up a bigger angle. That's the nature of the business these days.
But its just more of the same from Wyatt..... Fand eventually need a pay off sometime..... Youve no bigger able in place.The visual of Strowman coming up through the canvas in the Black Sheep mask would be pretty fantastic and would generate excitement and intrigue in a show closing PPV moment, rather than midway through a generic Raw.
Braun Strowmans appeal lasted one day in WWE. Hes a lumbering inexperienced guy who has no long lansting appeal. Your angles appeal would wear off pretty quickly.He's pandering, but subtly and with a slow build, the best way to do it.
While Ive no problems with a slow build, one involving Bray Wyatt is not one I want to see. A slow build is perfect with the right characater. Bray is simply at a stage of making me tune out and his slow, pandering, rambling nonscene is enough to make me do something else or tune out all together. He certainly wouldnt make me buy a PPV in 2015.
.As you said, it's fresh and at least gives him a shot. I'm not planning on turning him into a world beater though. Like all the great stables, there's definitely a place in the crew to be filled
My problem is your crew is just not worth watching in 2015. Im done with The Wyatt Family and I think a change for all involved would do them good, esp Bray and Luke Harper.
TIt adds a little Bo Dallas has been summoned to be the Sacrificial Lamb. This is the role he will assume. We won't be challenging for the World Title anytime soon. He is pretty much what his name would indicate - he's the sacrificial one who the stable leader sends out to soften up the opponents. Frequently a lower midcarder who's a good worker that just doesn't have what it takes to advance into the upper echelon of wrestling. Therefore, being associated with the stable and having some of its heat rub off on him is his best bet. Think Heath Slater in Nexus.
So you've added a jobber to the group..... Why would I or anyone care? It adds nothing significant to the group and for no real reason other than being realife brothers with Bray..... Whats the point?
Of course Im assuming, shes never been in front of a big live crowd so lets throw her to 10k plus crowds as a faction figure.... good luck with that one.As for Mika. How do you know she's not 'camera ready'? Are you just assuming?She looks to have great chemistry with Bray and Bo on their Instagram. She could be the next Lana charisma wise for all you or I know.
She could be the next Barbara Bush for all you know. Its a huge risk that most likely wouldnt pay off.Adding family adds legitimacy. Look at the Hart Foundation in 1997. Mika isn't specifically intended to be a major star from a scripting point of view by the way, she's there initially to put a personification to the Sister Abigail character and to give depth to the Wyatt Family.
Please, thats like adding Diane Hart to the Hart Foundation in 97 so. You achieve nothing significant with this.As you said, they currently lack fleshing out and are stale and directionless.
Them and teh majority of the roster. Id pick so many others to kick start main event careers than Bray and his boring lackeys.This adds more layers and gives a fresh and real element.
You can label it fresh all you want, I label it uninteresting. It ultimatly does little for the group by in large.
.If she turns out to be unsuccesful, you don't need to use her much further. On the contrary, she could be fantastic in the role and we have yet another fantastic character based female rather than another cookie cutter Barbie
Have you seen NXT lately, Asuka, Bayley, Sasha Banks..... WWE has far better non cookie cutter females that have a better upside than the green inexperienced Mika Rotunda.Again, I don't know why you're confused. Bray, backed by his Fireflies, is waging war on the heel Authority. HHH is still solidly heel, that dynamic hasn't shifted, the Wyatt's have.
But we have no real reason to see any chaacter changes to The Wyatts. Why would I or anyone be sympathic or encouged to cheer for them ? Ive no reason to get behind them with your story, except for them randomly "waging war" on Hunter and co. Its a bit short sighted.As you've said, blow offs aren't confined to specialty matches anymore.
Yes,But Im against this and thinik it hurts the storyline progression in most cases.We have TLC, Hell in a Cell, Extreme Rules all just as PPV's in their own right. This would be new though, as far as WWE goes, with a nod to nostalgia also. A really unique situation fro any aspect of the business in 2015.
Its just another Elimination Chamber/HITC type event, it wouldnt genrate anything to special unless it had a better set of comptitors and storline leading up to it. I wouldnt care for the match if Braun, Bray AND Rowan were involved.Kevin Owens debuted in May 2015. HHH hasn't returned til after that in my booking. He's recruiting. No reason Owens can't have the exact debut he had with Cena. This actually would put the Authority on notice and have him as a major prospective candidate. Also, around the time he debuted, Owens was in five separate feuds. FIVE! HE was at odds with Hideo Itami, Finn Balor, Samoa Joe, Alex Riley and John Cena. That's without considering his verbal assaults on Sami Zayn week in week out. KO is a multitasker if that's what you're worried about. If he can feud with 5 people as is what happened, he can go between Cena and this angles no problem. He's already shown that.
Fair enough, not what Id do but then thats why we are debating
, He was already being asked alot of between NXT and his MR call up, I would think this would be far too much for him to take on, esp in a dangerous match enviromentIf anything, he actually stands out from a lot of the roster in-ring. His arsenal is pretty varied and unique. Take for example his running body block. That looks devastating. A man his size with that agility is pretty great. He was formerly known as the Army Tank with the Ferrari Engine in his Nexus days. It was a fitting moniker. Some of his other moves like his brutal uranage and drop suplex are spectacular, as is his theatrical finisher. It's a shame you don't give him credit in between the ropes. I do and so do many others. He won the PWI Match of the Year Award in 2014 at Payback vs John Cena. Earlier that year, he was one of the only shining lights from the controversial Royal Rumble event in Pittsburgh. His match with Daniel Bryan was rated as highly as 9.5/10 in some publications. You'll say Bryan was the reason for that I'm sure but it takes two to tango. Additionally, he was one of the most popular combatants in the Rumble itself. Also worth mentioning that Bray Wyatt was voted the No.6 wrestler in their 500 in the same year.
I just dont see it personally, Bray can work a solid match but his matches from mid - 2014 have bored teh life out of me no matter what the situlation. Hes gotten stale and you can quote all the 2014 facts you want, my eyes dont lie..... Bray has gotten stale since Cena and his matches have slowly done nothing for me since his last match with Cena. And I see no end to the trend.There's no face Seth. Not at all. I don't see why Wyatt vs a slimy heel is hard to imagine? Brock did it fairly handily didn't he? You adding 'not a hope' at the end doesn't add a thing to your argument nor does typing in all capital letters, which is akin to shouting online
The Slimey heel doesnt work for me and Brock and Seth did the best the could but it didnt do much for me personally. Add boring go away Bray into the mix and its a recipe for losing viewers.
I think I just need to get the point across that your argueing in vein. You choose teh dead duck in Bray Wyatt, a year past his sell by date. Hes not going to Draw as a main event face in my opinionBray v Brock : Can work, as you've said, and would work.
i disagree that it would work. id find it a waste of some of Brocks dates.I'd like to see it and so too would plenty online from what I can see. Brock vs Strowman could be something unreal looking visually.
It would be a hard watch in reality mate, I wouldnt pay for it.Harper could go with him. He's murdered Dallas already as we've seen. Some good stuff could go on. Bray vs Heyman on the mic could be decent too.
I wouldnt mind Heyman v Bray, mainly due to Heymans involvement. My interest wouldnt go much further sadly.I disagree. Bray is WAS already over with a good portion of the audience
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Bray was over.... hes not hald as over as he was in 2014. It could change, but not with your build Im afraid. Its just positioning a stale charcte rhigher up the card, I dont want to see that. I belive you'd have to start Bray from scracth, start again in order to give him any chance to get over as a main event face/tweener.
.P and has appeal from a merchandise point of view
I dont doubt that, but not to the extent you imagine sadly.He's a great character based wrestler.
He was in 2013..... How hes has been handled since his feud with Cena suggests that he is damaged too much to get over to that degree you wish.No reason he couldn't kick on like Jake the Snake did. Not saying he's on his level (who is) but there's appeal there.
I like Windahm rotunda, hes a hard worker and a solid guy with tons of potential. Hes just been handled so bad since 2014 that I dont think your positioning of him will get him any more over than he is and certainly not to a level he was in 2014 january.To hark back to my earlier references, can you imagine The Ringmaster coming in and then headlining WrestleMania three years later? If they gave up on him back then, we'd never have gotten the Rattlesnake. Owens is great but it's too early just yet to make him the top star in WWE.
In your scenario your essentailly giving us Bray Wyatt as he came in,except as a face.
Its a kind to giving to strapping the rocket to The Ringmaster. Bray needs retooling and an overhaul, not to be placed higher up the card.
I know, but Im not writing off Winham Rotunda, Im writing off Bray Wyatt!I've covered this already. You're just banging the same drum over and over. You want to write off a talent saying it's too late for him. That's preposterous to be quite frank.The Connecticut Blueblood Hunter Hearst Helmsely never becomes a 13 time World Champion. Took him a good few years to hit the top of the card. He wasn't particularly over when he came in. He's a non entity if you're in charge.
I get that and I agree, but you are infact trting to push Bray in similar Fashion.
Give Windham Rotunda a chance, have him change up his charcater..... Not push his stale one. You want to talk about Jumping The Shark earlier...... Bray jumped the shark and Windham Rotunda needs a change. Right now he needs a revamp, not a mega face push!
,Except he was. He main evented Wrestlemania 13 and won the title
Only because Shawn lost his smile! He was a hot shotted to that position in light of Michaels "injury"
Read the bolded bit. It's fresh for WWE. Don't be obtuse. There's an audience for it.
the same audience who already tune in for TLC/Elimination Chamber/ HITC pay per views..... no new audience. Anyone that wants it already watched the product.As I said, it ticks both boxes which makes it novel. That's unique. It's what's known as a unique selling point, essential in any business. Disappointed with your posting style there tbh.
It wouldnt be a fantastic difference to Hell in the Cell, it would just appeal to the same audience IMO.WWE acquired WCW's intellectual and physical assets in 2001. The cage is already built,
How do you know they still have it? How do you know WWE picked taht cage up? How do you know taht it wasnt scrapped back then. Vince likes his original ideas, it be a hard sell to Vince.Strowman is an enforcer above all else, not everyone can be Dean Malenko.
Hes not even Khali at this stage yet.... Hes too green man.I like parts of your storyline but some parts really rub me up the wrong way. Using death/killing/coffin talk is a strict no go in this era
Please, its basical heel 101, something todays heels forget to do.What if a talent passed away in the mean time while they're talking about things like that? Remember the Chris Benoit/Mr McMahon storyline death coincidence?
Mentions of death would be quietly removed. The angle would play out as palnned.
The Benoit case doesnt happen every year.All the inside speak and jargon isn't gonna hold the attention of children and casual fans either in my opinion.
It worked for CM Punk, didnt it! He got super over
,As I said, on message boards etc Kevin Owens is a massive hit and rightly so
One thing Bray isnt sadly. When Bray debuted, there was a buzz about him, but while it did last for a while, without the character progression or any real storyline developments in any of his feuds, Bray began to suffer as a character.
Tackling Brays character is a year too late, if your proposed angle had started after the Cena feud, with a few tweeks it could be a hot summer angle. Sadly Bray has declined in the year that followed and his character and persona have suffered to the point were he has gained XPac levels of go away heat.
.but I do think you're possibly overrating his mass appeal
I suggest your doing the same with Bray.
My summer long arc gives us a massive angle and would in my opinion draw very well with fresh new star born. Your angle just throws a stale Bray Wyatt charcater into the main event scene and i think in his current form he would bomb.
While I like the worker who plays Bray Wyatt, a man who is great creatively and not too bad in the ring, I feel the character of Bray Wyatt and his have been damaged beyond repair and wouldnt achieve the success needed to pull off a hot summer angle. I feel the angle has some great points to it, but sadly the addition of the stagnate Bray character would be the wrong fit at this stage of his characters lifespan.
The addition of War Games, while not really bad, but it would fail to capture a new audience that isn't already catered for (via Hell in the Cell etc) needed for a big hot summer angle and I feel it could be used in better circumstances.
The addition of Mika and Bo add little to the storyline and in the long term the characters wouldn't be used to a great degree after their initial reveal which would be a let down in hinsight.
The positioning of Bray into such a high end angle is not what is needed to pull off a big summer angle. I feel Bray would be better used if he was to under go a complete revamp and change of direction.
My idea simply elevates a star who the WWE universe would happily accept as the next top heel star and judging by the reaction of his initial Cena win, if this was to be capitalised upon, he could easily be a big deal in WWE. and my angle would not only place him there, but his own talents would keep him there if he was booked correctly afterwards.
KEVIN OWENS AS A STAR IN SUMMER OF 2015 IS POSSIBLE......... Bray Wyatt as the next top face is sadly a big reach that isn't possible in his current form considering how badly hes been booked before hand as a character.
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