My 1986 Mercedes 190 'Cosworth'

kop77

as per title I'd like to present my 1986 Mercedes 190 'Cosworth' 2.3 16v

I've had here for 5 years now and it's almost ready for road....:)













fully refurbed rear subframe... just a sample of the work done to her,

Red Kev

Very very nice, love the 190.

Well wear !

miece16

love the boxy shape

Dades

Fabulous interior!

Is she not a real Cosworth?

dar_cool

Class, will be worth all the effort in the end. Surely they are going to sky rocket in price soon like the e30 m3's

kop77

Dades wrote: »

Fabulous interior!

Is she not a real Cosworth?

Yep, its a real Cosworth alright,

some lads get their knickers in a twist over of the whole Cosworth thing because it isnt on the tax book hence the...... 'Cosworth' :pac:

dar_cool

Also cheap tax next year which is a huge bonus. Some serious cars coming into the 56euro tax over next few years

Tigger

want

ba_barabus

What year is it?

skibum

ba_barabus wrote: »

What year is it?

"My 1986 Mercedes 190 'Cosworth'"
have you read the title of the thread....

Love the car, it is really the dog's boll!x....

Seweryn

kop77 wrote: »

Yep, its a real Cosworth alright,

some lads get their knickers in a twist over of the whole Cosworth thing because it isnt on the tax book hence the...... 'Cosworth' :pac:

Very nice car, enjoy it .

It isn't and never was such a thing as a Mercedes-Benz Cosworth and I don't think any "tax book" would ever have that mentioned. The Cosworth nick name came from the UK, as the company helped in development of the engine head, which was then improved in the 2.5-16 model.

What it is, it's a 190E 2.3-16. Great car!

kop77

Seweryn wrote: »

Very nice car, enjoy it .

It isn't and never was such a thing as a Mercedes-Benz Cosworth and I don't think any "tax book" would ever have that mentioned. The Cosworth nick name came from the UK, as the company helped in development of the engine head, which was then improved in the 2.5-16 model.

What it is, it's a 190E 2.3-16. Great car!

I thought Dades was asking was if it was a real Cosworth or a 190 Cosworth replica as there are a few out there..... but mine is a true Cosworth (W201034)

yes Cosworth is a nick name that came about following the development of the car and as with all good nick names, its now and will always be known as the Mercedes-Benz 190E Cosworth,

many would also argue that the 2.3-16v engine was never improved upon as you were saying, the 2.5-16v has a 'softer' cylinder head and prone to giving a bit of trouble,

the 2.3-16v is the preffered engine among enthusiasts such as myself but the 2.5-16v is not to be sneezed at either, especially of you own a Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16v Evo,

but that's a story for another day!

RNMK

Smashing Cosworth you have there,

best fo luck with her,

Seweryn

kop77 wrote: »

many would also argue that the 2.3-16v engine was never improved upon as you were saying, the 2.5-16v has a 'softer' cylinder head and prone to giving a bit of trouble,

the 2.3-16v is the preffered engine among enthusiasts such as myself but the 2.5-16v is not to be sneezed at either, especially of you own a Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.5-16v Evo,

but that's a story for another day!

I would probably also prefer the older engine. However, the 2.5 model has a much better cam chain drive system, as it has got a double row chain, not a single one as in the 2.3.

Both are great anyway. At the end of the day whichever you find in a better shape is the one to go for .

RustyNut

Just wow.

rob555mark

what kind of horsepower she got.

kop77

Seweryn wrote: »

I would probably also prefer the older engine. However, the 2.5 model has a much better cam chain drive system, as it has got a double row chain, not a single one as in the 2.3.

Both are great anyway. At the end of the day whichever you find in a better shape is the one to go for .

very true... but if you maintain them they should never give trouble, in theory anyway:D

my timimg chain was replaced by the previous owner at 120k along with new tensioners, cam gears etc. which cost him nearly 2 grand back in 2004,

with 160k now on the clock I'm good for a while,

kop77

rob555mark wrote: »

what kind of horsepower she got.

I'll know better in a few months as the cylinder head is coming off for an overhaul, the 16 valves will be replaced or reconditioned and shimmed etc.

that should make a big difference,

Dr Turk Turkelton

I'm pretty sure Wheeler Dealers done one of these on an older episode.

edit: yeah, season 3 episode 5/6.
If I can remember it was a fairly detailed episode too.

boardsuser1

Dr Turk Turkelton wrote: »

I'm pretty sure Wheeler Dealers done one of these on an older episode.

they sure did,but it was no where near as impressive as this :cool:

ba_barabus

skibum wrote: »

Love the car, it is really the dog's boll!x....

Apologies I don't know what I was thinking. Is there an airbag fitted? The steering wheel looks like an airbag is fitted.

Car looks smashing BTW

ht9zni1gs28crp

Looks beautiful, that engine bay is glorious! I looked for one of these for a long time in the UK before I got the E28 but struggled massively to find anything in decent stock.

tc20

That is fantastic kop77, great job.
You say you've had it 5 years, what condition was it in when you bought it?
Who did the restoration/rebuild if you don't mind sharing?

kop77

tc20 wrote: »

That is fantastic kop77, great job.
You say you've had it 5 years, what condition was it in when you bought it?
Who did the restoration/rebuild if you don't mind sharing?

it was in good nick when I bought it but needed a nice bit of work to get to where it is now,

I did most of the work myself except for any welding etc which was done by a guy in Stradbally Co Laois called Robbie Innes, who I would highly recommend.

there was some rust at the jacking points, which is common with the 190's and me being me I had the sills replaced on both sides instead of patching them up,

red oxide primer and cavity waxed insides of each sill so should last another 30 years!

I got the rear windscreen removed to get a new rubber fitted,

rear subframe came out for an over haul, new shocks, springs, droplinks ARB bushes and drive shaft coupler,

front suspension got the same treatment but I replaced the 2 wishbones rather than just the bushings,

engine and gearbox came out and I done the following;

heater matrix flushed,
new clutch, flywheel & bearing,
new slave cylinder,
new rad hoses and all hose clamps replaced,
exhaust manifold was polished,
cam cover, intake manifold, sump and engine pulleys were powder coated,
new injectors & sleeves fitted,
power steering box overhauled,
fitted new expansion tank, windscreen washer tank, radiator and cowling
got the starter and alternator reconditioned (for the laugh):)
new battery, plugs, leads & ignition coil
new bonnet insulation as the old one was getting brittle,

the interior is mint so I just upgraded the speakers and little things like replacing the handbrake button and 2 of the heater knobs because they had some scratches,

which reminds me... I did have the dash out to replace some of the bulbs behind the heater knobs!

none of this really needed to be done bar the rust treatment but the winters are long! :pac:

tc20

ahh,now that's a labour of love :cool:

MercMad

Fantastic car, wonderful work. I gave up looking for a 2.3 manual, too many dogs out there and they seem to rust worse than standard 190's. Nearly bout a 2.5 auto but it's just not the same to drive at all. Is your Irish reg originally ?
The values will sky rocket soon enough !

Myrddin

Absolutely stunning car, gorgeous :cool:

beertons

That's a fantastic looking motor.

Lellostag

That's a fantastic looking car, well done!!!

Donnelly117

One of my favourites!! More pictures please!!!

w124man

kop77 wrote: »

rear subframe came out for an over haul, new shocks, springs, droplinks ARB bushes and drive shaft coupler,

front suspension got the same treatment but I replaced the 2 wishbones rather than just the bushings,

:pac:

Did you use Meyle, Lemforder or MB parts?

Bus Boy

Credit it to you. Always had a soft spot for these and it looks fantastic.

kop77

w124man wrote: »

Did you use Meyle, Lemforder or MB parts?

It has H&R springs and shocks,

MB ARB bushes, drive shaft couplers but Lemforder parts after that,

Seweryn

kop77 wrote: »

It has H&R springs and shocks,

MB ARB bushes, drive shaft couplers but Lemforder parts after that,

I would say for the main components like steering and suspension joints, bushes, etc. Lemförder is the most Cost-worth option.

PukkaStukka

That car is s€x on wheels. Absolutely gorgeous!

tc20

Seweryn wrote: »

Lemförder is the most Cost-worth option.

I see what you did there

w124man

kop77 wrote: »

It has H&R springs and shocks,

MB ARB bushes, drive shaft couplers but Lemforder parts after that,

Lemforder are good, Meyle are junk! I'll wager you will have issues with the H&R springs though!!

John_Rambo

Very sinister looking cool car.

kop77

my Merc will be 30 years old soon... and I'll be making an appointment to finally get her VRT'd which funnily enough is about the same time that I'll be finished restoring it and able to drive it to the NCT centre!!!!

I've been told that I'll have to produce an invoice from "the fella I bought it from up North" which won't be a problem either... he's very nice chap!

anyway... I'm just wondering which centre I'd be better off going to, Kilkenny, Naas or Tullamore



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Ogogo

Hey OP, very very nice. But come on....... you cant just post up a couple of photos and leave it at that. Do treat us to more photos during the restoration. I love the detail in the engine bay.

kop77

Oh okay then...

kop77

whippet

that is a lovely motor .. deserves to be treated right.

My father in law has a 2.5 '88 one in gold and I've made sure my missus has dibs on it. In the last 12 months it has been put through a major tidy up and he is using it as a daily driver at the moment.

The BBS wheels are lovely on it, my FIL's one has solid AMG ones on it and I never really like them, but i'm not sure if they would be as nice against a gold body.

kop77

kop77

Ogogo

Thats fantastic. Some proper car porn. I hope you get many years of pleasure from your lovely motor. Well done.

AndyBoBandy

Absolutely stunning work,

she looks better than showroom condition.

I'd love to have the balls to take on a project like that.

jca

AndyBoBandy wrote: »

Absolutely stunning work,

she looks better than showroom condition.

I'd love to have the balls to take on a project like that.

And the money:pac: Fab car in fairness.

ianobrien

Pass the drool bucket......

Harry Palmr

So you've rebuilt the car basically!

Used to have a bog standard 2.0E in 040 black which alas was a manual shift and rather spoilt the overall vibe.

tc20

Harry Palmr wrote: »

So you've rebuilt the car basically!

^ what he said. Great to see such fantastic work kop77, that is just wonderful :cool:
I miss my humble W201, i'll have another in a heartbeat. A Cosworth version is the dream