France Players sack PSA???

efb · 15-10-2015 9:16pm #1

Reports in France that Phillipe Saint Andre has been ousted and the players are coaching themselves this week. Play All Blacks Saturday! - Jackman's Twitter

http://rugbylad.com/rugbyladblog/the-french-rugby-team-have-apparently-gone-on-strike/

15-10-2015 9:23pm

Yeah just read about that.

Apparently the players are taking responsibility for different parts of the training this week and leading workouts where they naturally have a lot of expertise and passing those skills along to the rest of the squad.

One French newspaper managed to get a picture of Pape's training workshop earlier:

dubal · 15-10-2015 9:25pm

gutted I'll be at the game so

Dubal

efb · 15-10-2015 9:29pm

http://indo.ie/TsvDy

Indo running with it

Richard Hillman · 15-10-2015 9:43pm

And they say the romance has gone from French rugby

kuang1 · 15-10-2015 9:47pm

Was hoping for this. Going to both cardiff games myself. I'll be happy to roar on our euro neighbours....do I have a blue shirt though?

ThisRegard · 15-10-2015 9:49pm

efb wrote: »

Reports in France that Phillipe Saint Andre has been ousted and the players are coaching themselves this week. Play All Blacks Saturday! - Jackman's Twitter

Isn't this rumoured to happen practically every year or two in French rugby?

Celly Smunt · 15-10-2015 9:51pm

BREAKING PSA: "Qu'ils mangent de la brioche!!"

Stheno · 15-10-2015 9:53pm

Didn't this also happen in 2011 with Livrement?

ThisRegard · 15-10-2015 9:54pm

Stheno wrote: »

Didn't this also happen in 2011 with Livrement?

More or less, yes. But with him wasn't there a history of ill feeling leading to that point?

case885 · 15-10-2015 10:01pm

Is it going to change much this late anyway? PSA still picks the team and makes the substitutions.

ThisRegard · 15-10-2015 10:03pm

How? If he's sacked, what's left for him to do?

aimee1 · 15-10-2015 10:10pm

france are 5-1 with ladbrokes

5/6 for france +14

aimee1 · 15-10-2015 10:10pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

How? If he's sacked, what's left for him to do?

tv interviews

15-10-2015 10:12pm

As much as I think Noves is a vastly superior coach I wonder will we be sitting here in 4 years posting the same thing after the pool stages!

rrpc · 15-10-2015 10:12pm

ThisRegard wrote: »

How? If he's sacked, what's left for him to do?

Sacked by the players. That means he continues to act as coach, but it's just acting.

case885 · 15-10-2015 10:14pm

ThisRegard wrote:

How? If he's sacked, what's left for him to do?

Where does it say he's been sacked? Players rebelling doesn't mean he's sacked.

efb · 15-10-2015 10:27pm

Plus a change...

Legion2008 · 15-10-2015 10:29pm

So if the players are just rebelling then what happens with regard to subs? If the guy on the field doesn't want to come does he just ignore the call?

case885 · 15-10-2015 10:41pm

Legion2008 wrote:

So if the players are just rebelling then what happens with regard to subs? If the guy on the field doesn't want to come does he just ignore the call?

You would have to come off if there's a substitution being made, the ref wouldn't continue until you go off.

locum-motion · 15-10-2015 10:53pm

efb wrote: »

Plus a change...

Is it possible that what you meant to say was "Plus ça change..."?

rrpc · 15-10-2015 10:56pm

locum-motion wrote: »

Is it possible that what you meant to say was "Plus ça change..."?

No I think he meant to say"Plus a change of head coach after the world cup" but his computer crashed.

Christy42 · 15-10-2015 11:03pm

No really what happens with the subs? It isn't like any of the players will be able to signal back what should happen easily. They can make the plan before hand and tell him who to pick but can't see how the subs aren't still aren't called by him.

This is becoming a world cup tradition for them. I am just happy it happened after our match as they have some serious talent and could potentially be a very deadly team if they start playing with a plan.

Nonmonotonic · 15-10-2015 11:05pm

ThisRegard · 15-10-2015 11:08pm

case885 wrote: »

Where does it say he's been sacked? Players rebelling doesn't mean he's sacked.

You know what I mean. The players are not going to take any notice of him.

marco_polo · 15-10-2015 11:13pm

locum-motion wrote: »

Is it possible that what you meant to say was "Plus ça change..."?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EuXdhow3uqQ

Al_Coholic · 16-10-2015 1:01am

ThisRegard wrote: »

Isn't this rumoured to happen practically every year or two in French rugby?

not just rugby but seems to happen in other sports too.
they are almost as worse as the dutch for in fighting.

efb · 16-10-2015 2:27am

It doest seem to like the 5 on c...

16-10-2015 7:31am

The subs question is fairly legit. Who decides who comes off and when? Who decides the starting XV?

Redgirl82 · 16-10-2015 8:11am

New World Cup, same story from France. Don't honestly care as they won't get to World Cup final so we don't have to worry about meeting them there

If they do meet Ireland again, I would not like to be Pape.....

Moflojo · 16-10-2015 8:16am

Best. World Cup. Ever.

total former · 16-10-2015 8:20am

None of the mainstream media outlets in France seem to be running this explosive story. It may not actually be true.

rrpc · 16-10-2015 8:26am

total former wrote: »

None of the mainstream media outlets in France seem to be running this explosive story. It may not actually be true.

There's a headline in L'Equipe "Revolution de Salon" that seems to suggest the same story, but it's behind a paywall.

Hangballlouie · 16-10-2015 8:28am

rrpc wrote: »

There's a headline in L'Equipe "Revolution de Salon" that seems to suggest the same story, but it's behind a paywall.

That's about a new barbers in Paris. I've heard good things.

vienne86 · 16-10-2015 9:13am

Well Lievermont got the same treatment in the last World Cup, and France reached the final, and should have won it IMO.

I watched that final in France and the French were describing Lievremont at 'one croissant short of a full breakfast'.

I can't see that happening to Guy Noves. Ever.

ThisRegard · 16-10-2015 9:19am

Back in 2011 it was Tonga who beat them. Getting beaten by Ireland hardly deserves the same reaction. There must have been a lot of unease already.

ulster_Beef · 16-10-2015 9:21am

Best news Ive heard.

I stuck a tenner of France to win

wawaman · 16-10-2015 9:25am

ThisRegard wrote: »

Back in 2011 it was Tonga who beat them. Getting beaten by Ireland hardly deserves the same reaction. There must have been a lot of unease already.

I heard a french journalist say that this defeat has been taken alot harder than the tonga one purely for the fact that they have had their eye on the ireland game for 3 years and still didnt turn up on the day

aimee1 · 16-10-2015 10:13am

ulster_Beef wrote: »

Best news Ive heard.

I stuck a tenner of France to win

€20, 5/1

Few friends have gone big for france +14 at 5/6

Turnipman · 16-10-2015 10:51am

Redgirl82 wrote: »

If they do meet Ireland again, I would not like to be Pape.....

But if they don't meet Ireland again then you would?

Strange logic.

case885 · 16-10-2015 10:54am

ThisRegard wrote:

You know what I mean. The players are not going to take any notice of him.

Maybe not for training but he'll still have the final say when it comes to squad selection.

Synode · 16-10-2015 11:02am

case885 wrote: »

Maybe not for training but he'll still have the final say when it comes to squad selection.

Highly unlikely if they've mutinied

case885 · 16-10-2015 11:04am

Synode wrote:

Highly unlikely if they've mutinied

Who picks the squad and decides on subs?

Synode · 16-10-2015 11:14am

case885 wrote: »

Who picks the squad and decides on subs?

The players themselves

total former · 16-10-2015 11:18am

Thierry Dusautoir has come out and rubbished this story.

"On a préparé ce match en équipe, avec les coaches. On a commencé cette Coupe du monde en équipe, avec le manager. Et on continue en équipe. Le reste ne m'intéresse pas.

"We have prepared for this match as a team, with the coaches. We started this World Cup as a team, with the manager. And we are still a team. The rest doesn't interest me."

Pudsy33 · 16-10-2015 11:19am

The selection point is interesting. Which poor soul is the guy who has to tell Basteraued that the players don't think he should play.

case885 · 16-10-2015 11:37am

Synode wrote:

The players themselves

PSA would still be in charge in the eyes of the Officials, he'd have the final say.

stadedublinois · 16-10-2015 12:23pm

I'm not sure what to make of this. The original story seems to have come from the Nouvel Obs (which I didn't even know had a sports section, generally sports journalism is left to the specialist press in France) and picked up by the foreign press.

Neither l'Équipe or Midol (the rugby paper) say anything about it. Midol do talk about Dusautoir and PSA having a discussion on the helicopter ride to London but it seems more like the team is trying to build a them against us mentality rather than 'sacking' the coach. They make it sound like Parra talked his way into the team.

stephen_n · 16-10-2015 12:39pm

stadedublinois wrote: »

I'm not sure what to make of this. The original story seems to have come from the Nouvel Obs (which I didn't even know had a sports section, generally sports journalism is left to the specialist press in France) and picked up by the foreign press.

Neither l'Équipe or Midol (the rugby paper) say anything about it. Midol do talk about Dusautoir and PSA having a discussion on the helicopter ride to London but it seems more like the team is trying to build a them against us mentality rather than 'sacking' the coach. They make it sound like Parra talked his way into the team.

I really hope so, think if you have a chance of beating NZ, Para has to be on the pitch.

total former · 16-10-2015 12:40pm

stephen_n wrote: »

I really hope so, think if you have a chance of beating NZ, Para has to be on the pitch.

?? The team has been announced, Parra is in it.

iroced · 16-10-2015 12:55pm

Don't wet yourself guys

. There is no revolution. Neither there was in 2011.

All these lazy sensationalistic talks are coming from our catastrophic 2010 football World Cup in South Africa where our players refused to train because of the Anelka's situation. L'Equipe, the monopolistic sports journal in France, went on a vendetta against Domenech, our coach. They made him pay several years of disregard for the press (his infamous "vous n'êtes que des relais" hard to translate, he meant they just relay the information people are OK to give them, they know nothing, they are basically useless). And made this headline from a restroom leak (basically Anelka talking to Domenech) "va te faire enculer sale fils de pute" fully written. "Go fùck yourself dirty son of a bitch". Can you imagine this headline on the Irish Times after an Ireland defeat from Sexton to Schmidt for example? The country would be put to fire and the sword. That's what happened in France.
In the end, contrary to what everyone not in the know think, the least to blame were actually the players. Our federation, our politicians, all the people who let the crazy situation regarding our coach develop (he was in an open war with the media, that should have never happened in the first place) were the real guilty ones. All the people (e.g. Platini, Houiller) who confirmed Domenech at the head of Les Bleus in 2008 after a catastrophic Euro and his infamous marriage proposal after our knocking out of the competition, were more guilty too. And in the end this L'Equipe-Domenech vendetta was ridiculous: serving your own interest rather than the country's one :rolleyes:.

Anyway, since this "infamous" WC, every time one of our national squad is struggling (even momentarily) and there's some reactions from the players, people quickly wave the big "revolution" word. That's ridiculous. These people must have never played any kind of sports even at a very low level not to know what can go on in the restrooms. It even happened to our handball team for one of the rare competition they didn't win over the last 10 years (twice Olympic champion, thrice World champion, thrice European champion) :rolleyes:...

So. Coming back to this RWC. Some players are not happy with our results, with the way we played? Woaw :eek:?! But that is craaaaaaaaaaaazy ?! We're not happy that we lost 24-6 to Ireland? Really? I naively thought they would have celebrated this defeat in night clubs for at least 3 days :rolleyes: ?!

Midi Olympique showed a picture of Maestri "shouldering" PSA titling it "Coup d'épaule". By the way, I'm not sure but I'd not be surprised if there was a deliberate link with the famous J.J. Annaud movie "Coup de tête". You'd need a bit of French culture though to fully understand that. Nothing near any hint of a revolution or a mutiny.

Anyway, heard yesterday in Super Moscato Show on RMC (you can search for the podcast online, the 5 to 6 pm part), Jacques Verdier (head of Midi Olympique), Bernard Laporte and Thomas Lombard talking about everything related to our team in this WC. No talk of revolution. Nothing dramatic. Papé was invited and notably gave his take on the SOB incident. Very far from the "internet wetting midinettes' fantasies" (:p). Very sane and anti-dramatic talks. Now of course he said the players are fired up for the Quarters and have a huge desire to regroup and show they can do much better than what they've shown so far. Of course there were talks between players, with the staff. He also mentioned that for him, Michalak, Mas and a couple more it's their last WC so they don't want to end their career en bleu in such a bad way.

France Players sack PSA???

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