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165,000 Miles - Is it too much?

  • 14-10-2015 11:37pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭


    Is this too much on a 2006 car?

    Is there just problems waiting to happen or if the car was minded would it be ok and it would all depend?

    Reading that it depends on the car and same year with 50,000 miles could turn out to be a worse car.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,794 ✭✭✭Jesus.


    Anything over a million and a half and I'd check if the timing belt was changed :P


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    Way too little information. What car and what engine?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭chops018


    Way too little information. What car and what engine?

    2006 Audi A3 1.6 engine.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,761 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    If you currently own the car I would keep it, if your thinking of buying it I would only buy it with a service history showing regular oil changes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭chops018


    If you currently own the car I would keep it, if your thinking of buying it I would only buy it with a service history showing regular oil changes.

    So if it was serviced regularly then it may be ok up to 200,000 miles? Or is it just a car with problems waiting to happen?

    Head is fried - it was absolutely lovely to drive, and it is lovely inside out. Has long NCT and a few months tax. Deal agreed. But this is the only thing starting to put me off.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,541 ✭✭✭Leonard Hofstadter


    If it's yours hold onto it till it drops. If it's the standard 1.6 (with a five speed gearbox), I wouldn't buy one with that kind of mileage as the gearboxes are a bit soft in them and it's done well to get that far. If it's the 1.6 FSI with the six speed gearbox then the mileage wouldn't put me off so long as it had service history and regular oil changes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,761 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    chops018 wrote: »
    So if it was serviced regularly then it may be ok up to 200,000 miles? Or is it just a car with problems waiting to happen?

    Head is fried - it was absolutely lovely to drive, and it is lovely inside out. Has long NCT and a few months tax. Deal agreed. But this is the only thing starting to put me off.

    Does it have a service history?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭chops018


    If it's yours hold onto it till it drops. If it's the standard 1.6 (with a five speed gearbox), I wouldn't buy one with that kind of mileage as the gearboxes are a bit soft in them and it's done well to get that far. If it's the 1.6 FSI with the six speed gearbox then the mileage wouldn't put me off so long as it had service history and regular oil changes.

    The gearbox felt fine to me when I was test driving it.

    Great price on the car and as far as my inspection went (albeit I've a limited knowledge) everything seemed ok - the engine was very clean, no apparent leaks, clutch and gearbox seemed fine, timing belt will be included in the sale which I've to organise to do myself, inside of the car was very clean and the engine itself was very quiet, electrics all seemed to work fine too.

    Don't know what to do now. I was delighted heading home after being very impressed with it's driving and thinking about how I couldn't wait to collect it tomorrow until it dawned on me to work out the mileage (270,000km), for some reason I kept telling myself it was only 120k or 130k when inspecting it.

    Would you chance it?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭chops018


    Does it have a service history?

    Just said that they regularly serviced it. No actual history. I will ask tomorrow.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 84,761 ✭✭✭✭Atlantic Dawn
    M


    I've driven cars with 200k miles plus on them and they were fine but you have to consider the major components like clutch, gearbox, suspension etc are at a stage where they have either just been replaced or will need to be, if you get it and these jobs have already been done you will have less to worry about. I'd bring it over some speed bumps and listen for rattles and issues.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭chops018


    I've driven cars with 200k miles plus on them and they were fine but you have to consider the major components like clutch, gearbox, suspension etc are at a stage where they have either just been replaced or will need to be, if you get it and these jobs have already been done you will have less to worry about. I'd bring it over some speed bumps and listen for rattles and issues.

    Had it over speed bumps on the test drive. No rattles from what we could hear, and it wasn't pulling off when breaking hard etc.

    Seemed to be running very well but the guy said he's had it two years and there was no mention of the stuff you said in your post being done.

    A few of the older one's I was looking at (2001,2002 and 2003) have 140,000 miles and 150,000 miles and they were only a bit cheaper than this one, and they didn't even have tax or nct. So I was thinking of going with the newer one which seems to be running smooth and has a few months tax and almost a year NCT.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    chops018 wrote: »
    The gearbox felt fine to me when I was test driving it.

    Great price on the car and as far as my inspection went (albeit I've a limited knowledge) everything seemed ok - the engine was very clean, no apparent leaks, clutch and gearbox seemed fine, timing belt will be included in the sale which I've to organise to do myself, inside of the car was very clean and the engine itself was very quiet, electrics all seemed to work fine too.


    Would you chance it?

    So when was the belt done last? I hate that kinda **** when buying cars 'oh it needs brake pads but they're included with the car!' Why weren't they fitted?

    It just seems like the car wasn't properly services and they knew potential buyers would ask About the belt so they bought one to include. Whoopdeedooo, you now have a €60 belt! If they want to sell then get them to knock another €250 off the price to cover getting the belt fitted, if they don't agree then walk away. There are plenty of cars for sale, why buy one that has high mileage and hasn't been properly serviced.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭chops018


    So when was the belt done last? I hate that kinda **** when buying cars 'oh it needs brake pads but they're included with the car!' Why weren't they fitted?

    It just seems like the car wasn't properly services and they knew potential buyers would ask About the belt so they bought one to include. Whoopdeedooo, you now have a €60 belt! If they want to sell then get them to knock another €250 off the price to cover getting the belt fitted, if they don't agree then walk away. There are plenty of cars for sale, why buy one that has high mileage and hasn't been properly serviced.

    When did I say it hasn't been properly serviced?

    He is selling the car, why would he be bothered getting the belt done? (Genuine question - I wouldn't on a car approaching 10 years old, he is already at his bottom, for the year and the tax and nct it's very cheap, although with the mileage it could turn out not to be :( it seems a risk tbh, and I've to decide if I wanna chance it).

    Most of the second hand one's I've been looking at 2001-2004 seem to all have mileage above 130,000.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 127 ✭✭Wedgie


    In 2012 I bought an eleven year old Toyota Tarago with 420,000kms on the clock. Sold it two years later with 458,000 on it. Had a previous one with 380,000 miles on it. People think I'm crazy.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭wandererz


    OP, A search on AutoTrader.ie shows 06 Audi A3, 1.6L, 145,683M, for €5,250.

    I am assuming that the vehicle you're interested in is less than this price.

    Personally i would be looking at lower mileage vehicles to be on the safe side. If a diesel then probably OK at this mileage.

    Still need to consider what is likely to go wrong in the first 6-12months of purchase at this mileage & age.

    I posted another thread about a 06 Bmw 320D with only 35,000miles and in as new condition. Responses were around 7.5K for that vehicle.
    With 35,000miles miles on the clock i would expect another 6 years at least to 100,000miles and before problems start to set in.

    I have a 04 Jag X-type that i bought with 90,000miles and one owner. Paid €3,500 including €500 VRT. Two and a half years later it has 113,000 miles and still drives like a dream. Only problem was a starter motor and brake caliper. It's well serviced and trouble free. For the price paid and the motoring experience gained it was well worth it. Would i buy one with 165K though? Not at all.

    If you're starting with 165,000 miles already how long do you intend to own it and at what mileage per year?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭chops018


    wandererz wrote: »
    OP, A search on AutoTrader.ie shows 06 Audi A3, 1.6L, 145,683M, for €5,250.

    I am assuming that the vehicle you're interested in is less than this price.

    Personally i would be looking at lower mileage vehicles to be on the safe side. If a diesel then probably OK at this mileage.

    Still need to consider what is likely to go wrong in the first 6-12months of purchase at this mileage & age.

    I posted another thread about a 06 Bmw 320D with only 35,000miles and in as new condition. Responses were around 7.5K for that vehicle.
    With 35,000miles miles on the clock i would expect another 6 years at least to 100,000miles and before problems start to set in.

    If you're starting with 165,000 miles already how long do you intend to own it and at what mileage per year?

    Thanks for that reply.

    I would be looking to have it for 2-3 years at least. Potentially longer. I would hope to get near the 2 years major problem free.

    Yes this car is much, much cheaper than the one you posted above. And as I said the majority of the Audi's in my price range I am looking at seem to be over 140,000.

    The thing that is making me think I should chance it is that I bought a BMW 316 petrol in early 2013 with 155,000 miles on it (so just about 12 years old car) and I drove it for two and a half years and put 15,000 miles on it before any problems set in. And even at that the only thing that went on it was the starting motor. I bought it for €900 and sold it for €550.

    This car will be 10 years old come January and it is only 10,000 more miles on it than the BMW had when I bought it and I got a great run out of it and maybe if I sorted the starting motor I could have got another year out of it.

    Then again, I could have just got lucky.

    Wouldn't be huge mileage. When I was driving the BMW I was doing 300-400 miles a week. Nowadays and for the foreseeable future (use public transport mostly) I would probably cut that mileage in half to 200, and if I wasn't heading anywhere at the weekend then maybe even only 100 miles a week to be honest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,789 ✭✭✭wandererz


    At the very least, get a VAG scan tool and ensure that there are no error codes showing.
    Other than that, check the usuals and ensure it has been serviced regularly.
    Even better if you can get a mechanic to look over it as well.

    I may be a bit biased but i remember a friend of mine with an A4 some years ago spending over €1900 getting a suspension type problem diagnosed (and mis-diagnosed several times) before being fixed. It turned out to be a money pit.

    So, check:
    - Servicing intervals (and what was done. Service manuals and then Receipts help)
    - Brake servicing (calipers/pads/ brake cables etc. including brake fluid changes/flushes)
    - Suspension servicing/changes (at this mileage you would expect that shocks/springs/ engine mounts etc would have been changed at some point/s, preferably recently)
    - Investigate any potential ABS system problems with these vehicles (if there are, they could be costly)
    - Aircon/Heating system functions & when last serviced (aircon replenishment & thermostat replacement).
    - Starter Motor, Alternator etc (when last replaced)
    - Timing belt/Chain etc, (when last replaced)
    - Spark Plug replacement (when last replaced)
    - Battery replacement (when last replaced)
    - Open up and check Air Filter and especially Pollen Filter
    - Electrics - check it ALL - including lights/radio etc. (one example is BMW's radio display problem. It only manifests itself when there is heat or the car is warmed up. So a general test drive from cold doesn't flag it up. The fix costs hundreds. Note: this is just an example of being caught out afterwards even though it doesn't apply to your vehicle. You don't notice it, the seller doesn't mention it.)

    Another example is the Jag that i bought. The fuel gauge showed 1/4 tank or more and i simply drove it home from Cavan/longford until the yellow light came on and the digital display showed a low fuel situation. The fuel gauge was stuck at 1/4 tank and never moved.
    Seller did not tell me this. I could have been stuck in the middle of nowhere.

    It is indeed a case of buyer beware with secondhand vehicles. The seller is simply interested in shifting his vehicle.


    Ensure that you get onto the forums for this vehicle and check what problems are being experienced. Get to know these forums inside out BEFORE you purchase. Otherwise you will get to know these forums post purchase for all the wrong reasons.

    Lastly, don't take anyone's word on any of the above. Unless they have paperwork/receipts etc. then just assume that they are lying.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    I'd find another one tbh.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,982 ✭✭✭Caliden


    If it had a decent service history it might be worth it but if it costs 5250 like a previous poster has said I would look for another one. That's way over priced for a 2006 A3 petrol.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭chops018


    It's €2,950.

    I wouldn't pay more than €3,000 for that mileage.

    Also I'd be keeping it for a few years so I know when I go to sell it again no matter what mileage is on it that I won't be getting a whole lot for it.

    Going up for it soon so I've around an hour to change my mind.

    Still thinking of taking the chance as with any second hand car you never know. Also the BMW I had there was huge mileage on that and I got great value on it. That was only €900 though..... Bigger risk here.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,688 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    Including the timing belt with sale is a real chancers style. Is an attempt to cover off the fact that the belt is long long overdue and also to fool you into thinking that the labour is only a minor detail when in fact the labour will be quite significant.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭Toyotafanboi


    If you've not paid a deposit, i'd be leaving.

    €3k is a good budget to get a decent car with, you have far better options.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭chops018


    If you've not paid a deposit, i'd be leaving.

    €3k is a good budget to get a decent car with, you have far better options.

    Paid €50 deposit so not much.

    Tbh there is feck all Audi A3's with tax and nct like this one around.

    As I said most of the 01-04 ones I've been looking at all have over 140,000 miles and no tax and less than 3 months nct. All looking for near €2,000. Similar risk there surely?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭Toyotafanboi


    High mileage in itself is not strictly a bad thing although it is directly proportional to wear on the car.

    Having no service history but claiming they did the servicing themselves and needing a timing belt and them handing you the part but not fitting it are massive alarm bells.

    I wouldn't touch it. That car is in the autumn of it's life. You don't want to spend €3k to get the worst of whats left.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭Toyotafanboi


    Don't know where you're located, but donedeal shows plenty of choice in Audi A3's in decent, NCT'd shape. There are even a few facelift 04- models in your budget.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    OP, has a mechanic viewed the car? The 1.6 A3 can have significant issues that are hard to detect. Also, at €5k, its very overpriced for the work that is needed, let alone the car itself. I looked at about 10 for a friend a few years ago and all of them had issues.

    Think of it this way, if I wanted to maximize my profit, I'd service and have the car in pristine condition. By doing so, you're proving you have an interest in the car and some iota of ownership. If I want a quick sale, I'll probably buy the cheapest parts I can and make it look like a bargain. Its psychological pricing.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭chops018


    I never said it was €5k.

    Where are people getting this figure?

    Obviously I would never pay that much for a car with that mileage. Regardless of whether it was perfectly mechanically or not.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    chops018 wrote: »
    When did I say it hasn't been properly serviced?

    He is selling the car, why would he be bothered getting the belt done? (Genuine question - I wouldn't on a car approaching 10 years old, he is already at his bottom, for the year and the tax and nct it's very cheap, although with the mileage it could turn out not to be :( it seems a risk tbh, and I've to decide if I wanna chance it).

    Most of the second hand one's I've been looking at 2001-2004 seem to all have mileage above 130,000.

    Where did you say it was properly service though? It has no service history and the timing belt is overdue.

    Look it's very clear you want to buy the car, you've a counter-answer for everything anyone advises. So buy it and hopefully it'll not end up costing a fortune. I personally wouldn't touch it with that mileage and no service history, besides the mileage on the engine you I have to remember that 160k miles is going to put considerable wear in suspension and brake parts.

    One thing I would advise though if you do plan to buy it is to go for a final test drive before committing to it and finds rough lane or road to drive it on and listen for clunks and knocks from the suspension that wouldn't be audible on smooth roads, if all is good then at least you know there's nothing immediate needed.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭chops018


    Where did you say it was properly service though? It has no service history and the timing belt is overdue.

    Look it's very clear you want to buy the car, you've a counter-answer for everything anyone advises. So buy it and hopefully it'll not end up costing a fortune. I personally wouldn't touch it with that mileage and no service history, besides the mileage on the engine you I have to remember that 160k miles is going to put considerable wear in suspension and brake parts.

    One thing I would advise though if you do plan to buy it is to go for a final test drive before committing to it and finds rough lane or road to drive it on and listen for clunks and knocks from the suspension that wouldn't be audible on smooth roads, if all is good then at least you know there's nothing immediate needed.

    Yes. I do very much like the car, and so I am trying to find a reason to counter answer everyone who is advising against it.

    I did indeed have another look this morning - never took it down a bad/rough road but I did take it over ramps etc. we couldn't hear anything anyway.

    Discussed it with my friend who's a mechanic and while he couldn't come he said that mileage wouldn't bother him if it was serviced and the miles were put up on a motorway and not back roads or city. They told us their brother is a mechanic and they always serviced it and looked after it, they also said the clutch was done last year (obviously could be a lie). No actual service history but any of the cars I ever had I never kept a history so I will have to take their word (maybe I should start doing this myself with my cars).

    Apologies to any posters if they felt I was rude or counter answering. As I said I really liked the car, it's clean, has NCT and tax and is lovely to drive. From inspection we can't see anything wrong and after the mechanic I know said don't worry too much about miles if you think it was looked after, and also with the price of €2900 and a 2006 model car I felt it was worth the risk. I didn't buy it to sell it, I went from having a BMW for two and a half years to a Clio, and while I don't want a big 2.0 litre again I also don't want a 1.2 like the Clio (nothing wrong with it but I should have never went down that small), the 1.6 seems a good compromise so here's hoping it's not a money pit and works out ok.

    Thanks to everyone who took time to respond - be it what I wanted to hear or not, it was appreciated.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,004 ✭✭✭ironclaw


    chops018 wrote: »
    Discussed it with my friend who's a mechanic and while he couldn't come he said that mileage wouldn't bother him if it was serviced and the miles were put up on a motorway and not back roads or city. They told us their brother is a mechanic and they always serviced it and looked after it, they also said the clutch was done last year (obviously could be a lie). No actual service history but any of the cars I ever had I never kept a history so I will have to take their word (maybe I should start doing this myself with my cars).

    My entire commute is motorway, until I hit the local lane that makes the Dakar rally look like a walk in the park :pac:

    But on a serious note, unless you have a mechanic physically inspect the car, I cannot stress enough how much you should not part with cash. Every single alarm bell is ringing here:

    - No book history
    - No inspection by a mechanic
    - Hearsay and Verbal contracts

    I'd consider myself pretty handy with cars, but I'd always seek a second certified opinion regardless of the cost. €50 spent now could say €1000 later.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    You'd be better off with a lower mileage fresher example tbh. Those a3 with that petrol engine don't take too kindly to high miles imo, especially if they haven't been well looked after.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 73,520 ✭✭✭✭colm_mcm


    Good luck trying to prove that a petrol a3 was bought/used for motorway driving.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭Toyotafanboi


    Sitec wrote: »
    That's not true. If a car is on the motorway most of the time it's going to have a lot less wear than a car in the city or on crap roads.

    Yes it is.

    high mileage is directly proportionate to wear on the car.

    if a car has done 165,000 miles, even if they are the all important "motorway miles", it has still done a lot more work than an identical car with lower mileage.

    the engine has ran for longer, probably at a higher rate of RPM, the wheel bearings have spun that much further, the radio has been played that much longer, the wipers have been wiped more and the driver seat has been farted on more. every pump, every pulley, every movable item has been moved more.

    the only thing motorway driving really saves is the clutch and even a non car person can probably spot a dodgy clutch during a test drive.

    a proper, free flowing motorway in Ireland is pretty much non existent anyway, so we are only conning ourselves with the "motorway miles" myth. the first 10 miles of my motorway commute each day are spent between first and third gear, clutch accelerate, clutch brake etc etc crawling up to the Jack Lynch tunnel. i'm sure lots are the same.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,917 ✭✭✭✭Toyotafanboi


    Sitec wrote: »
    A car will cruise on the motorway no problem sub 2000rpm. Much less wear than being used 5 or 6 times a day when the engine is cold. Fair enough about wheel bearings but I wouldn't be too worried there a cheap fix. I don't understand why the wipers, radio or seats would have more wear (smell more like farts:D). The motorway car will cover the kms much faster than a car in city or on b roads so less time is spent clocking up the kms.

    A work colleague drives from Portlaoise to Dublin and back 5 days a week. The car he had up to this year had clocked up 220k kms over 4 years. The only thing the car ever got outside of servicing and tyres was an EGR cooler replaced under warranty and one set of brake pads.

    and a piece of string is 6 inches long. your logic is a bit skewed, yes motorways are quicker but people on them are usually traveling further which still equates to more wear. the mileage equates to a certain time spent in the car, and i know that 60,000 miles on a motorway @100kmh only takes half the time 60,000 miles around town takes @50kmh but the reality is any car with 165k miles on it will certainly be starting to show signs of wear.

    i do Cork to Waterford 5 days a week, petrol Celica. 180 miles a day, takes 4 hours a day, 3500rpm in 6th gear, engine screaming.

    first ten miles like i say are stop start to get through the Jack Lynch, then bottleneck into Castlemartyr, Killeagh, bit of messing around Youghal and the less said about Dungarvan Roundaboutcity the better. i also have to pull out onto the motorway with pretty much a cold engine which i'm pretty sure the car doesn't thank me for either.

    i'm sure if a cowboy was selling my 155k on the clock Celica he'd tell someone it was all motorway miles. commuter miles indeed but Motorway, forget about it. The road between Castlemartyr and Killeagh is like a freshly ploughed field at best and Castlemartyr itself is like trying to navigate the surface of Mars, how there isn't more accidents is beyond me.

    now i'm not saying every commute in Ireland is quite as abusive on the car as mine, but "motorway miles" is to be taken with a pinch of salt, much the same as "lady owner, call Frank".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,532 ✭✭✭JohnBoy26


    Sitec wrote: »
    My logic isn't skewed, we're comparing like for like cars that covered the same miles. One 90% motorway vs one 10% motorway I'm sure you would see a massive difference in car condition after 165,000 miles.

    I bet you wouldn't.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,088 ✭✭✭sean1141


    If you like it and think it's in good condition and well priced buy it.. cars don't just give problems when they reach certain millage or a mechanic won't be able to tell you how long you will get out of it before it needs major repairs..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,381 ✭✭✭vintagevrs


    Part of the on board computer on many cars is a driving timer. It shows the amount of hours the car has been driven for and this can be used as a good indicator of how much use the car has, along with the millage. I have no idea what volume of hours would be seen as high though as a measure on it's own, but you can use this with the millage to determine average speed. If the cars average speed over the course of it's life is 30kph, you can be sure it hasn't spent it's days cruising motorways.

    A car with 100k miles on the motorway vs a 100k miles doing the school run is going to be in much better shape, and also have fewer hours running wearing out all the parts, radio volume knob and fabric fart absorption included.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭La Fenetre


    There's less to worry about in a petrol motor, and that mileage has certain advantages, in that most things that need doing around the 100-130k miles mark have probably been done. I'd consider a car like that, if I wasn't going to doing big miles on it myself, but only if it's a tight drive, is clean and tidy, and looks to have been well looked after. It's pot luck though, so make sure the price reflects that, and the fact the belt has to be changed.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,570 ✭✭✭The Sidewards Man


    Alot of the racing gear will be getting tired, buy it cheap or move on.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,235 ✭✭✭✭Cee-Jay-Cee


    Sitec wrote: »
    A car will cruise on the motorway no problem sub 2000rpm.

    The OP is asking about a 1.6 petrol A3. Cruising at 120kmh on the motorway will have the engine turning at roughly 3500-3800rpm.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,440 ✭✭✭The Rape of Lucretia


    chops018 wrote: »
    Just said that they regularly serviced it. No actual history. I will ask tomorrow.

    No actual history = not serviced regularly to me.
    By regularly, they could mean serviced every 50000 miles whether it needed it or not.
    I mean, what are the going to say : "No, no service history. We never serviced it. Worked out cheaper that way, but you can have it serviced yourself if you are into that kind of thing".
    Walk.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 736 ✭✭✭La Fenetre


    Always take what a previous owner claims with a large pinch of salt. Inspect the car thoroughly, or get someone to help you do so. Most second hand cars, are nearly always going to need varying amounts of money spent on them, as the previous owners nearly always avoid getting any work done in the last few months before selling them. Most cars in Ireland, especially older high mileage ones, do not have any service history, that does not automatically mean all of them were not serviced or looked after. I've also seen plenty rough Irish cars with fully stamped service history as well. A thorough inspection is key, service history or not, and treat each car on its own merits, and then value it accordingly.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 410 ✭✭megafan


    With a high mileage car you have to be sure it has had regular servicing which should be logged by reliable dealer and if it is a high spec model & you start to have issues with non-service parts (electrics etc?) that’s where big expense may arrive…. Steer clear unless you know previous owner/history….


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,213 ✭✭✭PrettyBoy


    chops018 wrote: »
    Just said that they regularly serviced it. No actual history.

    I'd run a mile. Not a hope would I spend €3k on a car with such high mileage without a complete service history - I can't believe that you're seriously considering a car with no history whatsoever. You're taking a big gamble. There's plenty of better cars out there within your budget.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,088 ✭✭✭sean1141


    megafan wrote:
    With a high mileage car you have to be sure it has had regular servicing which should be logged by reliable dealer and if it is a high spec model & you start to have issues with non-service parts (electrics etc?) that’s where big expense may arrive…. Steer clear unless you know previous owner/history….

    I bought a car with close to 140k miles on it with not one bit of service history.. 40 thousand miles and 2.5 years later it's still going strong with only service parts, a window regulator and 2 bushing replaced..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,907 ✭✭✭✭CJhaughey


    I bought mine with 230k miles on it, no service history.
    3 years and 100k miles later its still fine, you have to spend money on cars to keep them right, not attending to small things can lead to a lot bigger problems down the line.
    Shocks are one thing that should be replaced regularly, they lose effectiveness and wear other components out like droplinks and ARB bushes because they move so much more.
    I'd go on condition not mileage.
    If the car drives fine and feels good then go with your gut feelings.
    A bad car is a bad car and at this end of the market a lot is just luck on your part.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭chops018


    Hi guys.

    I just thought that I'd update this for those who are interested.

    Went ahead with the car, and as I said already, it is a smashing car to drive.

    Paid €2,900 for it.

    I had to spend around €600 on it for the following:

    - Timing belt (seller provided this, just had to get my dad's mechanic to do it)
    - Tensioners
    - Water pump
    - Break pads on the back
    - New tyres
    - Service


    All in all I am happy as it still has some tax on it (till February I think), and it's NCT'd until next June. Suppose total comes in around €3,500 to have it fully sorted and even some of the things we got done didn't actually need to be done right away but my dad always says you should have everything sorted on it before driving it around.

    My dad's mechanic(s) said I got a good deal and that they cannot see anything major wrong and it seems in good condition.

    Happy enough so far tbh, and here's hoping it keeps running well.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,688 ✭✭✭✭mickdw


    chops018 wrote: »
    Hi guys.

    I just thought that I'd update this for those who are interested.

    Went ahead with the car, and as I said already, it is a smashing car to drive.

    Paid €2,900 for it.

    I had to spend around €600 on it for the following:

    - Timing belt (seller provided this, just had to get my dad's mechanic to do it)
    - Tensioners
    - Water pump
    - Break pads on the back
    - New tyres
    - Service


    All in all I am happy as it still has some tax on it (till February I think), and it's NCT'd until next June. Suppose total comes in around €3,500 to have it fully sorted and even some of the things we got done didn't actually need to be done right away but my dad always says you should have everything sorted on it before driving it around.

    My dad's mechanic(s) said I got a good deal and that they cannot see anything major wrong and it seems in good condition.

    Happy enough so far tbh, and here's hoping it keeps running well.

    Just reading through this thread again and seeing your comments re having had a bmw and putting that together with the way you appear to ignore everyone, are you the guy that used to be called arleitis or something close to that?
    Did you also buy a 1.4 vw bora against all advice?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,458 ✭✭✭chops018


    mickdw wrote: »
    Just reading through this thread again and seeing your comments re having had a bmw and putting that together with the way you appear to ignore everyone, are you the guy that used to be called arleitis or something close to that?
    Did you also buy a 1.4 vw bora against all advice?

    You must be thinking of a different person. I never asked for advice before about a Bora, on this account, or any account for that matter (it's against the rules of Boards.ie to have more than one account).

    Also, I didn't ignore everyone, there was varying opinions from people.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,738 ✭✭✭✭Squidgy Black


    Well wear OP, bit of a gamble to take alright with the high mileage and ambiguous service history, but if it works out ok you're laughing.


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