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Raw 12/10/2015 *Spoilers*

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,264 ✭✭✭Ridley


    I quite enjoyed the Kane phone segments.

    But the cancer awareness stuff is mostly being worn by heels..?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭Stereomaniac


    There's definitely not as much of an emphasis on it this year as there was other years gone by. Remember they actually had pink versions of wrestlers' unique t-shirts a few years?


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,037 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    Actually a lot of matches on that show compared to some other weeks but so little that was memorable.

    Was the Diva's tag match botched at the end? seemed really weird how long after Paige and Nattie having issues that Brie pinned Charlotte. Cole tried to blame it as a distraction that caused the defeat afterwards but it was so long before the pin it really just seemed like Brie (the lesser Bella tbh) beat the champ clean with a top rope dropkick.

    next week at least we should have Taker, Brock and did I see HBK promoted for it?

    Brock on the podcast will be interesting too, wonder how much they will touch on Brock and Austin's own past and what happened re a mania match in Texas when Heyman was on the podcast with Stone Cold.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    So have people been watching Raw lately or what's the story? I watch the whole lot, pre-show beforehand too. I'm just curious to know is anyone actually going to tune out, stop watching.

    Yesterday was the first time in months; and only because this week I'm in a good time zone for it, and even then only because I'll be going to the Hell In A Cell PPV so I'm interested in what's happening.

    Was annoying listening to it dubbed in Spanish and trying to figure out what guys were actually saying underneath the dubbing though. :D


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 23,037 Mod ✭✭✭✭Bounty Hunter


    Actually something that annoyed me this week was that Dolph Ziggler was there and the commentators even noted what happened to him last week but there was absolutely no follow up. Apparently you (New Day in this case) can beat Dolph up backstage in a 3 on 1 assault and even the man himself will let it slide.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭Moneymaker


    Skipped RAW this week. Fast forwarded through it after work. Christ this show is bad.

    Reigns being hung out to dry and he absolutely **** the bed big time poor guy had no chance infront of that crowd with such a **** script, Rusev jobbed out in 3 minutes seemingly out of spite, a typical bull**** Cena match, Rollins being pinned clean yet again despite having help from every heel on the roster. The divas, good lord the divas.

    They deserve every ****ty low rating they get.

    It astounds me this same company produces NXT.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 30,020 ✭✭✭✭CastorTroy


    Was just thinking that the only reason the WWE acknowledged the engagement has nothing to do with the fact that they got engaged or the fact that it was reported. I think that in typical WWE fashion these days, they just did it to show that news sites are talking about them.
    They're like the Orphans in the Warriors showing people how great they are because the press writes about them. Reeeal lame


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,741 ✭✭✭The White Feather


    Normally I read just the headlines online about Raw then watch it when I get home.I was wondering maybe it was ruining the enjoyment for me so this week I read nothing and just put on Raw when I got home.I thought the show started out well with the opening segment but everything went downhill from there.One annoying thing was when both Ambrose and Randy stopped and almost froze while they waited for New Day to appear.Its like "ok our spiel is over, Act 2 can begin" tho I liked the way at one stage Ambrose interrupted Orton while they were going back and forth.

    Like you Moneymaker, I felt sorry for Reigns as he was really trying his best but he needs to turn heel. He doesnt get the reaction WWE keeps hoping he will get.

    Another standard boring Cena promo saying nothing new.

    Rusev made to look like a complete chump. At least block her slap!

    Rollins then pinned clean? :confused: :eek: I couldnt believe it.No protection for him at all.

    The only plus is that matches are getting longer it seems to me. Storylines are non existent though.I am typing this having just watched Raw and I can only remember Rusev getting slapped as the only thing storywise that happened and maybe Kane getting a win over Rollins while the Authority was away. A 3 hour show and thats it?

    Usually this leads to a 20 min Authority promo next week about how they are back and going to punish kane.You have to wonder were they off tv so they can say they are not on when the rating are low.

    With these horrible Raws and
    Playboy dropping nudes,
    everything has gone wrong!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭Stereomaniac


    Yesterday was the first time in months; and only because this week I'm in a good time zone for it, and even then only because I'll be going to the Hell In A Cell PPV so I'm interested in what's happening.

    Was annoying listening to it dubbed in Spanish and trying to figure out what guys were actually saying underneath the dubbing though. :D
    What country are you in watching it in Spanish, have you been in Mexico or something if you're going to be close enough to go to Los Angeles for Hell In A Cell? I often wondered what it would be like to hear what the show is like from the Spanish announcers' perspective, and whether or not when the English speaking tables introduce them if they are doing the exact same thing only in Spanish, "Por supuesto junto a nosotros aquí en el ringside tenemos nuestros colegas que emiten en Inglés , Michael Cole , la lucha libre Dios JBL y el Salón de la Fama , El Rey , Jerry Lawler" or something to that effect. Not looking to poke holes in your above statement now, but is it as simple as just watching Raw for you and becoming interested in what's happening because you have watched it? I hear people saying all the time they aren't interested in what's happening, so they don't watch it. But if you are able to pick up interest in something again when you watch a bit of it.....it doesn't make sense to me. Anyway, I'm quite antisocial so I watch everything.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,820 ✭✭✭grames_bond


    I usually "watch" raw in the background on a tuesday morning when I am in work but not even doing that could get me to get through it straight this week, was taking breakxs from it like a mad man!

    The reigns promo was so awful it took away from one of their most serious feuds going - he wqas like a bad stand up comedian who couldn't deal with hecklers, weak responce then stright back on script is hurting everyone!

    Champ losing clean again - joy!

    US Challenge used to be great for the surprise, now its the likes of ziggler - they have run out of ideas.

    Rusev is properly, for all intents and purposes, buried (and I hate using that word)

    Thank f*ck for The New Day!!


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  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    Wait, I skipped through most of the Rusev segment...did they reference his engagement to Lana?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,820 ✭✭✭grames_bond


    Lord TSC wrote: »
    Wait, I skipped through most of the Rusev segment...did they reference his engagement to Lana?

    Yeah they announced it and put up the TMZ article and then summer rae talked about it in the ring before totally emmasculating him!

    well and truly f*cked!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,016 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Lord TSC wrote: »
    Wait, I skipped through most of the Rusev segment...did they reference his engagement to Lana?

    Oh yeah, he was squashed in 3 mins by Ryback and then emasculated by Summer.She revealed to the live crowd he was engaged to Lana for a month and slapped him silly, making Rusev look even worse and making the whole angle over the last 2 months a confusing waste of time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭Stereomaniac


    But are you not all as glad as I am that that aspect of the storyline is probably finished now? Rusev might turn babyface and then reunite with Lana on-screen I think. Well, I hope.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,016 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    But are you not all as glad as I am that that aspect of the storyline is probably finished now? Rusev might turn babyface and then reunite with Lana on-screen I think. Well, I hope.

    While the angle may be over, I fear spiteful Vince will bury Rusev.

    He might be the next Joke dancing Forgeiner if Vince has his way


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,166 ✭✭✭Stereomaniac


    Realistically, people were saying that about him almost a year ago, when the rumor that he was being prepared to be fed to Cena was starting to get kicked around. Wait and see I guess.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 42,934 Mod ✭✭✭✭Lord TSC


    Jaysus. Speeding through, I saw Rusev get beaten, Summer enter the ring and then was like "Nope, next segment please". Saw the slap later, but didn't realise it was basically tanking their own stories.

    Yes, I am happy the stupid story is over, but there's easier ways to jettison the angle. Having Rusev break up with Summer after she costs him a match and saying he misses Lana, he was a champ with Lana, wants her back etc etc....that ends the angle, and keeps Rusev sympathetic. Reading about this now....its typical WWE. Spiteful and vindictive.

    They always seem to wonder why they can't create new stars; doesn't help when they stick them in a dead end angle, and then end it in the worst way possible. Idiots.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 632 ✭✭✭VampiricPadraig


    Every storyline in WWE in the past year has been awful!

    The only redeeming thing that RAW ever has is The New Day.

    Bray v Roman = Thought it was over a couple of week ago. I fast forward at every Bray v Roman segment.
    Diva's = Just let Becky fight against everyone. She is the only one that matters to me :P
    Rusev = <boring foghorn>
    IC = Wait, there is another belt going around?
    John Cena = John Cena
    New Day = Rocks
    Kane / Seth = Ooo...a spooky demon...zzz...

    Come on WWE, y'know what you need to do.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,016 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    Every storyline in WWE in the past year has been awful!

    The only redeeming thing that RAW ever has is The New Day.

    Bray v Roman = Thought it was over a couple of week ago. I fast forward at every Bray v Roman segment.
    Diva's = Just let Becky fight against everyone. She is the only one that matters to me :P
    Rusev = <boring foghorn>
    IC = Wait, there is another belt going around?
    John Cena = John Cena
    New Day = Rocks
    Kane / Seth = Ooo...a spooky demon...zzz...

    Come on WWE, y'know what you need to do.



    Bray v Roman = I agree. It has been driven into the ground, has any promo by Bray ever had a point???? I wouldn't mind if their matches were good, but they have been boring or nothing special.


    Diva's = Poor booking has KO'd any chance these girls had at an actual change in the division.

    Rusev = Couldn't disagree more, while hes been booked horribly since losing to Cena (something I also disagree with btw) he could have been the nexy big heel star if booked correctly. This guy made lemonade with lemons and still managed to do well. Now they are jobbing him out, out of spite. Shocking.



    John Cena = Hes been on fire this year, while still booked too strong, hes having a stellar year.

    New Day = Rocks! I agree


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    while New Day are good, I still think they lost a bit of their edge by being pushed as faces first.
    they should have been heels first in place of Bo Dallas, who was completely wasted when they had him drop his streak against R ****ing Truth!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,016 ✭✭✭✭beakerjoe


    while New Day are good, I still think they lost a bit of their edge by being pushed as faces first.
    they should have been heels first in place of Bo Dallas, who was completely wasted when they had him drop his streak against R ****ing Truth!

    I think they are perfectly good and growing with (over) confidence by the week.

    On Jerichos pod cast they noted they wanted to be heels from the off but Vince saw them as faces. Ah Vince.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭Moneymaker


    beakerjoe wrote: »
    While the angle may be over, I fear spiteful Vince will bury Rusev.

    He might be the next Joke dancing Forgeiner if Vince has his way

    Despite all of that though Rusev's talent shines through. The dude is fantastic and it's really, really pathetic to see him treated like he is.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 23,346 ✭✭✭✭J. Marston


    This is pretty hit and miss but 2:11 made me laugh out loud...



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    What country are you in watching it in Spanish, have you been in Mexico or something if you're going to be close enough to go to Los Angeles for Hell In A Cell?

    Close enough to Mexico, yeah. There is a direct flight, quite cheap. I have friends in LA as well so an excuse to visit. Plus Undertaker, Lesnar, Hell in a Cell, should be a great spectacle live. Although admittedly if I was watching at home I wouldn't be mad to see them wrestle again.

    I often wondered what it would be like to hear what the show is like from the Spanish announcers' perspective, and whether or not when the English speaking tables introduce them if they are doing the exact same thing only in Spanish, "Por supuesto junto a nosotros aquí en el ringside tenemos nuestros colegas que emiten en Inglés , Michael Cole , la lucha libre Dios JBL y el Salón de la Fama , El Rey , Jerry Lawler" or something to that effect.

    They do their own commentary but then they also dub when people are doing promos; so they are kept very busy. When the cameras are on the English-speaking commentators they dub that as well. Poor lads never get a break. They dub everything in an excited, overly-dramatic way, like they don't try to copy the emotions of the people speaking which makes it quite funny. They use the word lucha a lot so obviously they aren't banned from using the Spanish word for wrestling. :D Can't imagine Vince being too happy with his "unique brand of sports entertainment/soap opera" being described as Lucha though.

    The Spanish announce team are only introduced on PPVs but anyway everything you see on camera is the exact same, so the Spanish announce table aren't shown on Raw; and they show the English-speaking guys just when they are shown everywhere else, just being dubbed.

    I was waiting for the Spanish announce table to break so I could hear their reaction. :D
    Not looking to poke holes in your above statement now, but is it as simple as just watching Raw for you and becoming interested in what's happening because you have watched it? I hear people saying all the time they aren't interested in what's happening, so they don't watch it. But if you are able to pick up interest in something again when you watch a bit of it.....it doesn't make sense to me. Anyway, I'm quite antisocial so I watch everything.

    Depends if it's a good episode of Raw. I can't say anything last Monday made me get back into it again, other than the fact the four old legends are on next week, which isn't a good sign at all. So if it wasn't for that and the fact I am going to HIAC, I would have no interest at all; so no, I wouldn't say I am able to pick up interest again just like that.

    RAWs are too long and a chore to watch, although I usually enjoy the PPVs when I watch them.

    Me and a friend have a tradition of always watching the Rumble together again and every year at that point I get interested again because RAW becomes good, and usually I last for four or five months before coming bored again. The sad thing is that the reason I am interested in this period is because of all the old legends. But it's only because they are pushed and positioned as stars.

    All the current guys that I like they have ruined. Seth Rollins was my favorite, and while I still enjoy his PPV matches, on RAW he's lost his last 19 matches or something so it's hard to take a guy seriously after that. He's been doing the same thing over and over on RAW since WrestleMania. Rusev was another favorite, so they broke him up from Lana and put him in boring midcard feuds. Owens, Ambrose and Cesaro are being positioned very much as mid-carders. Bray Wyatt has a great gimmick but these writers don't know how to make him interesting.

    The weird thing is my favorite full-timer right now is John Cena, something I never thought I'd say. I'd be disappointed if he doesn't have a match at HIAC.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,253 ✭✭✭✭Rjd2


    Close enough to Mexico, yeah. There is a direct flight, quite cheap. I have friends in LA as well so an excuse to visit. Plus Undertaker, Lesnar, Hell in a Cell, should be a great spectacle live. Although admittedly if I was watching at home I wouldn't be mad to see them wrestle again.



    They do their own commentary but then they also dub when people are doing promos; so they are kept very busy. When the cameras are on the English-speaking commentators they dub that as well. Poor lads never get a break. They dub everything in an excited, overly-dramatic way, like they don't try to copy the emotions of the people speaking which makes it quite funny. They use the word lucha a lot so obviously they aren't banned from using the Spanish word for wrestling. :D Can't imagine Vince being too happy with his "unique brand of sports entertainment/soap opera" being described as Lucha though.

    The Spanish announce team are only introduced on PPVs but anyway everything you see on camera is the exact same, so the Spanish announce table aren't shown on Raw; and they show the English-speaking guys just when they are shown everywhere else, just being dubbed.

    I was waiting for the Spanish announce table to break so I could hear their reaction. :D



    Depends if it's a good episode of Raw. I can't say anything last Monday made me get back into it again, other than the fact the four old legends are on next week, which isn't a good sign at all. So if it wasn't for that and the fact I am going to HIAC, I would have no interest at all; so no, I wouldn't say I am able to pick up interest again just like that.

    RAWs are too long and a chore to watch, although I usually enjoy the PPVs when I watch them.

    Me and a friend have a tradition of always watching the Rumble together again and every year at that point I get interested again because RAW becomes good, and usually I last for four or five months before coming bored again. The sad thing is that the reason I am interested in this period is because of all the old legends. But it's only because they are pushed and positioned as stars.

    All the current guys that I like they have ruined. Seth Rollins was my favorite, and while I still enjoy his PPV matches, on RAW he's lost his last 19 matches or something so it's hard to take a guy seriously after that. He's been doing the same thing over and over on RAW since WrestleMania. Rusev was another favorite, so they broke him up from Lana and put him in boring midcard feuds. Owens, Ambrose and Cesaro are being positioned very much as mid-carders. Bray Wyatt has a great gimmick but these writers don't know how to make him interesting.

    The weird thing is my favorite full-timer right now is John Cena, something I never thought I'd say. I'd be disappointed if he doesn't have a match at HIAC.


    Good post.

    Nothing wrong with the Cena observation, he is the only guy on the roster that feels like a star and while I hate to say it, his matches do actually feel like PPV main events.

    This is the problem when you are so obsessed with even stevens booking and your writers are ****e. :mad:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,949 ✭✭✭A Primal Nut


    Exactly, Cena is the only one they really go out of their way to protect and always present as a star, and he feels like one. Well they at least try with Reigns but that's a whole other story.

    They say all these things about Rollins being the big star and yeah they've given him a long run with the belt, but I think if they were serious about him they wouldn't book him to lose so much. He's lost 16 of his last 17 televised matches.


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