Lucinda looking for an unpaid intern.

lazygal

http://www.lucindacreighton.ie/join-our-team/

You'll need your own laptop.

circadian

lazygal wrote: »

http://www.lucindacreighton.ie/join-our-team/

You'll need your own laptop.

Bring your own malware infected laptop for use supporting someone in politics. This could be interesting.

I suppose they're alright for security though because no-one gives a toss about Renua.

budgemook

Good opportunity for a student looking to pursue a career in politics.

The laptop thing is silly though for reason mentioned above.

gandalf

Well for someone interested in getting into Politics this would be an good opportunity.

Agreed on the BYOD part. It wouldn't cost too much to supply the intern with a laptop suitable for the work.

Armchair Andy

Whatever happened to an honest days pay for an honest day's work in this country? Seems the working class are expected to work for nothing yet again.

twowheelsonly

Armchair Andy wrote: »

Whatever happened to an honest days pay for an honest day's work in this country? Seems the working class are expected to work for nothing yet again.

Forget the laptop, the most telling statement in this has to be

"Please note that the position cannot be made permanent, but may be extended in duration".

Does she have nobody in her own family willing to work for free or did they all tell her where to get off ?? Maybe family are only 'suitably qualified' when there's a nice wage packet attached :rolleyes:

gandalf

Armchair Andy wrote: »

Whatever happened to an honest days pay for an honest day's work in this country? Seems the working class are expected to work for nothing yet again.

LOL I doubt this will be going to a working class person.

AnonoBoy

Jaysus - she wouldn't even do the Jobbridge thing so someone could keep their dole?

jimgoose

They don't half be in awe of themselves, do they. A slap of a three-week-dead haddock, she'd want. :pac:

OldGoat

If I had the available time I'd stick in an application. The opportunity to see the inner workings in the corridors of power, of seeing Politics at work firsthand is very tempting.

PopePalpatine

Armchair Andy wrote: »

Whatever happened to an honest days pay for an honest day's work in this country? Seems the working class are expected to work for nothing yet again.

I guess it's in line with their "fock the scobes" economic policies.

Menas

You could not be paying me enough to spend more than a minute with Lucinda!

lawred2

PopePalpatine wrote: »

I guess it's in line with their "fock the scobes" economic policies.

Yeah I would imagine politics would be right up there as a career choice amongst the scobes

kneemos

Seems to be looking for students in fairness.
Not a bad opportunity if you're into that sort of nonsense

SterlingArcher

Now now people, you are all being wayyy too cynical..

Don't you know power is a lot like real estate. It’s all about location, location, location. The closer you are to the source, the higher your property value

Ave Sodalis

gandalf wrote:

LOL I doubt this will be going to a working class person.

Why? Can someone from a working class background not go into politics?

kneemos wrote:

Seems to be looking for students in fairness. Not a bad opportunity if you're into that sort of nonsense

It's a terrible road to go down. The line gets more and more blurred until employers start claiming that staff don't know enough to be paid and are there to learn. Then nearly everyone is a "working student" regardless of experience. It happened in other industries and there is absolutely nothing that can be done that's effective, despite the laws it's breaking. I would hate to see other industries/jobs going the same way.

seamus

BYOD (Bring-Your-Own-Device) is popular amongst the notoriously cheapskate US companies, but they're discovering it's more hassle than it's worth.

In any case, the requirement for your own laptop is a not-so-subtle way of saying that they're looking for a recent UCD or Trinners grad with their own brand new parent-supplied MacBook air. Not a latchkey kid who's just left Ballymun Comprehensive.

No doubt you will also be expected to tog out in a freshly-pressed suit every day.

JustTheOne

Armchair Andy wrote: »

Whatever happened to an honest days pay for an honest day's work in this country? Seems the working class are expected to work for nothing yet again.

Would they not be getting the 188 a week?

Isn't it better to be doing something with yourself and gaining experience than sitting at home going insane?

gandalf

sup_dude wrote: »

Why? Can someone from a working class background not go into politics?

Of course they can, its just I don't think they would be considered the right fit for Lucinda and buddies

The only reason they are looking for an Intern is because she no longer has the FG mothership full of YFG drones to take up a position like this.

It's a terrible road to go down. The line gets more and more blurred until employers start claiming that staff don't know enough to be paid and are there to learn. Then nearly everyone is a "working student" regardless of experience. It happened in other industries and there is absolutely nothing that can be done that's effective, despite the laws it's breaking. I would hate to see other industries/jobs going the same way.

Generally I agree with you where a standard job is concerned. However for someone who wants to get into Politics this is an excellent opportunity to learn the ropes from the inside and to make an awful lot of very useful connections early on in your career.

This is not a Jobbridge stacking shelves, making sandwiches or changing tyres. This is an opportunity to get a turbo boost for a career in Politics or related to Politics.

Ave Sodalis

JustTheOne wrote:

Isn't it better to be doing something with yourself and gaining experience than sitting at home going insane?

JSB/JSA are for people actively seeking work. Bit hard to do when you're already unavailable for work.

The Corinthian

OldGoat wrote: »

If I had the available time I'd stick in an application. The opportunity to see the inner workings in the corridors of power, of seeing Politics at work firsthand is very tempting.

And disappointing in reality.

TBH, as has been said, it is an interesting opportunity for someone who wants to get into and make contacts in politics, but it's also very telling.

Most parties, when looking to fill such unpaid roles, can draw from the youth wings of their ranks, as this is often a first step in rising within the party and eventually getting onto a ticket for many young, aspiring, would-be politicians. That Creighton needs to seek someone from outside of the Renua political 'machine' would point to limited membership and grass-root support.

The BYOD criteria is pretty dumb though. Also very telling when a party leader cannot get their own party to fork out 300 Euro for a cheap laptop.

Armchair Andy wrote: »

Whatever happened to an honest days pay for an honest day's work in this country? Seems the working class are expected to work for nothing yet again.

You're forgetting the Dole, where you get paid for doing nothing - that too is not getting an honest days pay for an honest day's work. And, socioeconomically, the two are probably related, truth be told.

The Corinthian

gandalf wrote: »

This is an opportunity to get a turbo boost for a career in Politics or related to Politics.

My feeling is it might be if it were with another party...

Ave Sodalis

gandalf wrote:

Of course they can, it just I don't think they would be considered the right fit for Lucinda and buddies.

Sorry, I genuinely wasn't sure what your post meant!

gandalf wrote:

This is not a Jobbridge stacking shelves, making sandwiches or changing tyres. This is an opportunity to get a turbo boost for a career in Politics or related to Politics.

I'm finding Jobbridge are looking for fairly qualified people, but maybe that's just my area. There's tech jobs, programming jobs etc all under Jobbridge here that I would have thought would have needed a degree, or at least many years experience.
Even at that though, isn't that a good reason to have at least some extra pay, because it's not just stacking shelves?
A third thing is that the industry (equine) that do have many "working students" aren't Jobbridge and often claim what you have there. Except they're lying. You're stuck at the bottom and are used as slave labour until you quit/are forced to leave.

uck51js9zml2yt

Lots of keyboard warriors here. Is anyone going to back up their disgust and email her?

gandalf

sup_dude wrote: »

Sorry, I genuinely wasn't sure what your post meant!

I wasn't suggesting that someone from a working class background wouldn't be able or capable for a position like this. What I was saying is from meeting the woman and seeing the types that she has surrounding her it's more likely that a Trinners or UCD Grad from an affluent area would be the choice that they would make.

I'm finding Jobbridge are looking for fairly qualified people, but maybe that's just my area. There's tech jobs, programming jobs etc all under Jobbridge here that I would have thought would have needed a degree, or at least many years experience.

Jobbridge is a majorly abused system and in reality if people are well qualified they should be brought in on a starting wage and not this system which may or may not result in a job.

Even at that though, isn't that a good reason to have at least some extra pay, because it's not just stacking shelves?

That's my point. Shelves have to be stacked in the stores anyway. The jobbridge positions were replacing paid positions. That was a major supermarket btw who were named and shamed and withdrew the positions afterwards. People do not need to be "trained" for months to do a job like this.

Fukuyama

JustTheOne wrote: »

Would they not be getting the 188 a week?

Isn't it better to be doing something with yourself and gaining experience than sitting at home going insane?

It's not JobsBridge so unfortunately they wouldn't.

The premise of "gaining experience" is often touted around when it comes to internships. In most cases outside of the IT/science fields the poor sod ends up being an unpaid admin lackey/slave.

They had a fair few in my old job. Manning inboxes. Answering phones. Doing the post. All under the guise of gaining experience in the "industry" but in reality they got next to nothing. After the first week they were trained up and had another 5 months of mule work. They weren't even getting their dole as it wasn't JobsBridge so effectively they were losing money hand over fist to be someones slave.

An unpaid internship might be grand if you have rich parents and still live at home. Many graduates are in shared housing and can't ask mammy and daddy to support them for 6 months while they go stuff envelopes or answer phones.

I'd love to see a website set up to publicly name and shame every single company that posts up stupid Jobsbridge/internship ads that are so obviously just a free labour scam with zero chance of a job at the end.

It's ridiculous that qualified people earn less than someone who left school and worked for Dunnes. I don't mean that in a snobby way either. Just in a basic economic sense. No wonder droves of graduates (myself included) would step on a plane the first chance they get.

recylingbin

Just submitted my cv

Please can I work for you for nothing while you cream it in and live on the taxes of those who actually work.

OldGoat

The Corinthian wrote: »

And disappointing in reality.

TBH, as has been said, it is an interesting opportunity for someone who wants to get into and make contacts in politics, but it's also very telling.

Most parties, when looking to fill such unpaid roles, can draw from the youth wings of their ranks, as this is often a first step in rising within the party and eventually getting onto a ticket for many young, aspiring, would-be politicians. That Creighton needs to seek someone from outside of the Renua political 'machine' would point to limited membership and grass-root support.

Been there, done that. Scrambling around a rat infested warehouse and nailing banners to staves was not the insight into local politics I hoped it would be.

Another way to view her advert is her being transparent rather than just handing the job to a friend/family/foot soldier and facing the ire of opposition calling her out on crony-ism.

Don't get me wrong here, I'm not standing by her politics but the chance to get on the inside of any party in the House really appeals to me must be ringing bells in every political student in college at the moment.

Penn

Rural Ireland wants a hand up not hand outs!

The position is unpaid and will last for an initial duration of three months, starting immediately. Please note that the position cannot be made permanent, but may be extended in duration.

#Renua

Acacia

The Corinthian wrote: »

You're forgetting the Dole, where you get paid for doing nothing - that too is not getting an honest days pay for an honest day's work.

Except you don't get the dole for doing nothing- you get it for actively seeking work. In theory, anyway. Of course, people abuse the system- but to say people get paid the dole to 'do nothing' is not true.

The dole is an income support for those who cannot find work. It's not a payment, or a living wage. The dole office is not paying you to 'do nothing'- it's providing you with an income when you can't get paid work and are seeking employment. To suggest otherwise supports the myth that all dole recipients are sitting around all day 'doing nothing' and getting paid for it.

You can't just go into the social welfare office and claim it for 'doing nothing'. You have to be a job-seeker. There is a difference there, despite some people taking advantage of the system. That's why you have to fulfill the requirements of being fully available for work while in receipt of JSA or JSB.

In any case, the existence of the social welfare system does not excuse the existence of internships, although it comes in quite handy for employers looking to justify their internship schemes- "Sure, the unemployed are sitting around all day- better give them something to do!"- when they could just pay them for the work that would be done as part of an internship.

I appreciate that the Social Welfare department themselves, in supporting private companies' exploitation of the unemployed by allowing them access to free labour via internships, have confused the entire issue as one is not actively seeking work when they are 'interning' for 40 hours a week stacking shelves, but I don't think it's fair that the unemployed should be punished for Social Welfare's incompetence.

Dr.Internet

Good, our higher ups could do with a few more slaves

they should start drafting people for slaveships

We could sell them to other countries

Profit $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

allibastor

Thought you were not allowed an intern if there was no possibility of full time employment at the end?

osarusan

allibastor wrote: »

Thought you were not allowed an intern if there was no possibility of full time employment at the end?

It's not jobbridge.

How common are political internships in Ireland?

I'd have thought that there would be plenty of people keen to get involved with this (who would already be involved with the party at youth level), but of course, Renua doesn't have the pull that other parties do.

Fukuyama

allibastor wrote: »

Thought you were not allowed an intern if there was no possibility of full time employment at the end?

Supervalu seem to have no bother employing shelfstacker interns. So something tells me the chances of regulations ever being enforced are slim to none.

Internships are a free for all, wageless, job market right now. And many old farts see them as a chance for graduates to "prove themselves" - despite the fact that they never had to work for quite literally nothing back in their day.

At least pay them €8.65 per hour. Give the person some form of dignity and allow them to pay for food, a single room, bus ticket and clothes ffs.

The Corinthian

Acacia wrote: »

Except you don't get the dole for doing nothing- you get it for actively seeking work. In theory, anyway. Of course, people abuse the system- but to say people get paid the dole to 'do nothing' is not true.

Well, not really. It's a social payment, so it's not an actual 'wage' for seeking employment - we're presumed to be doing that if we need money regardless and the condition that we do for Dole is simply a condition of eligibility, rather than what we are paid to do. Seriously; paid to look for a job? Think about it.

It's a social right, not a wage. It's almost a semantic point, but important nonetheless.

I certainly did not mean to suggest that people on the Dole don't bother looking for a job, only that technically they're not actually paid to job seek and some, as you've accepted, indeed do not.

Principally, I cited the Dole, not to attack it, but because of the comment I was responding to - bellyaching about an honest day's pay for a honest day's work - the 'worker' is not always on the short end of the stick and just as there are companies that abuse the internship system, there are workers who will abuse the Dole.

I appreciate that the Social Welfare department themselves, in supporting private companies' exploitation of the unemployed by allowing them access to free labour via internships, have confused the entire issue as one is not actively seeking work when they are 'interning' for 40 hours a week stacking shelves, but I don't think it's fair that the unemployed should be punished for Social Welfare's incompetence.

The shortcomings of the JobsBridge scheme are a bottomless can of worms. I left Ireland before it's introduction and have seen well organized internships abroad (indeed, these already existed in Ireland before JobsBridge - apprenticeships, deviling, etc). To me JobsBridge is the usual half baked scheme dreamed up by some moronic civil service committee who were more interested in getting people off the live register than creating something useful. Reminds me of the Student Summer Jobs scheme that was introduced in a rush twenty-odd years ago which ended up being utterly abused and scammed.

As the expression goes; an Irish solution to an Irish problem.

imitation

OldGoat wrote: »

If I had the available time I'd stick in an application. The opportunity to see the inner workings in the corridors of power, of seeing Politics at work firsthand is very tempting.

I would say George Lee thought the same but he was gone like a shot after a few months, and that was with a healthy salary !

Fukuyama

Admin

Based in KINGSCOURT Ref. INTE-979747
Description
The intern will gain practical experience in dealing with customers in person and over the phone and handling and balancing a till and office administration e.g. scanning and filing and working in a team environment. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following: Customer service and services the credit union provides. Learning the company policies and procedures. Training in credit union activities to cover customer care, loan structure and delivery. On completion the intern will have attained skills in customer interaction, working as a team, working with figures and experience in a large number of areas to do with office administration.

Sales Assistant

Based in DUBLIN 17 Ref. INTE-979730
Description
The intern will gain practical experience in retail sales. The successful candidate s daily tasks will include general sales, processing sales orders on computer, dealing with customers on a face to face basis, assembling customer orders for shipping. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following : - sales, computer systems, manual handling and forklift training. On completion the intern will have attained skills in sales, people skills in relation to communication with customers and other sales team members, computer skills in relation to software packages.

IT Engineer

Based in CORK CITY Ref. INTE-979735
Description
The intern will gain practical experience in IT customer support role. Shadowing Senior Engineers, helpdesk support, taking & logging calls, onsite work, fixing PCs, printers, changing hard drives, data backup. Service and maintenance support for clients. The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following: PCs, printer & server maintenance. On completion the intern will have attained skills in: PCs, printers & server maintenance. Team work. Customer care. Organisational skills.

I'm not sure which is worse:

A) Taking advantage of work hungry, desperate graduates who will mostly be in their early 20s

Taking advantage of experiences, qualified people who are stuck on the dole and are forced to be someones overqualified slave

C) Taking advantage of unqualified people, most likely working class, denying them even basic jobs like Sales Assistants. These jobs are often used to finance getting out of a poverty trap by going to college. But no. They can't even get paid work to support themselves to go to college just so they can, wait for it, end up as position A - a graduate forced to do an unpaid internship where they'll learn nothing.


Really introducing high value skills into the workplace, these internship things.

€14.99 ticket to London is the better option for graduates.

c_man

i bloody hate the concept of unpaid internships. I'm glad the places I've worked in have paid interns something (above minimum anyways). Putting myself in their shoes, I honestly don't see how I would have managed an unpaid position having to move up to Dublin for example. My family aren't well off and could never have floated me (nor would I ever, ever ask).

Treat people decently ffs. If you can't afford to give a student/grad E8.65 an hour then you've got big problems and a fresh face ain't gonna turn things around.

c_man

Fukuyama wrote: »

€14.99 ticket to London is the better option for graduates.

They'll never make it over there without Sandwich Artistry skills. Better train up before getting the plane

Sandwich Artist

Based in TUAM (URBAN) Ref. INTE-971808

Description
The intern will gain practical experience in customer service, sandwich preparation, health and safety within the work place and inventory control and stock ordering The intern will receive formal/informal training in the following health and safety food hygiene practice, POS training and stock control. On completion the intern will have attained skills in customer service, online courses within Subway, Food preparation, health and safety and Food hygiene.

Skills Requirements
A willing to be part of a team and to gain customer service skills

Please Note:
This is an Internship. An allowance of €50 per week will be paid in addition to your current Social Welfare payment.See eligibility criteria above.

Department
Subway Tuam

jobsbridge

conorhal

Armchair Andy wrote: »

Whatever happened to an honest days pay for an honest day's work in this country? Seems the working class are expected to work for nothing yet again.

Probably the same thing that happened to political activism, idealism and a vocational engagement with democracy. does everybody expect be a 'hunderd grand quangocrat' in return for democratic engagement?
I knew we'd rue the day we started paying county counsellors, next people will be refusing to vote unless paid to do so.

myshirt

The worst one is doing a Jobbridge in a Dealz store.

Everything in there is worth €2.

Except you.

awec

Seems like a really good opportunity for someone wanting to get into this sort of work.

At least she is being honest and up front about it with regards to it not being ever permanent and being unpaid. Better than pretending that there is a job waiting at the end of the three months.

myshirt

What about a chap from a poorer background trying to make a go of things and better himself, what if he wanted to do this?

He can't. And that's appalling. It's more of this 'closed to the elite' culture of the political class. No equality of opportunity.

There are already significant barriers for young men from poorer backgrounds wishing to advancing oneself, and now perpetuated by a politician that is for a new fairer Ireland? Bull.

Pay the lad ffs.

Fukuyama

myshirt wrote: »

What about a chap from a poorer background trying to make a go of things and better himself, what if he wanted to do this?

He can't. And that's appalling. It's more of this 'closed to the elite' culture of the political class. No equality of opportunity.

There are already significant barriers for young men from poorer backgrounds wishing to advancing oneself, and now perpetuated by a politician that is for a new fairer Ireland? Bull.

Pay the lad ffs.

If it's in Leinster House then it'd be shoes, shirt, slacks and tie at a minimum. Equivalent office wear for females. All can be expensive. 5 days a week. Factor in travel, lunches, supporting yourself (rent, foot, clothes, bills) and maybe going the cinema/pub once a week to stave of isolation - nobody from a working class background could do this.

Definitely not without very understanding or wealthy parents.

OldGoat

myshirt wrote: »

What about a chap from a poorer background trying to make a go of things and better himself, what if he wanted to do this?

He can't. And that's appalling. It's more of this 'closed to the elite' culture of the political class. No equality of opportunity.

There are already significant barriers for young men from poorer backgrounds wishing to advancing oneself, and now perpetuated by a politician that is for a new fairer Ireland? Bull.

Pay the lad ffs.

He can't? Why not?

Fukuyama

OldGoat wrote: »

He can't? Why not?

3 months. No pay.

Young, working class graduates don't have three months of living expenses saved up. Particularly when in three months they'll still be looking for paid work and not be entitled to the dole.

osarusan

c_man wrote: »

They'll never make it over there without Sandwich Artistry skills. Better train up before getting the plane



jobsbridge

any chance that's a p!sstake?

The successful applicant will be trained as a Sandwich Artist

you have to register as a company for Jobbridge though, so it's probably genuine.



EDIT: No, definitely real:

https://www.mysubwaycareer.com/Home/JobDescriptions?clt=en-US

The Sandwich Artist® greets and serves guests, prepares food, maintains food safety and sanitation standards, and handles or processes light paperwork. Exceptional customer service is a major component of this position.

The joke has become reality.

conorhal

osarusan wrote: »

It's not jobbridge.

How common are political internships in Ireland?

I'd have thought that there would be plenty of people keen to get involved with this (who would already be involved with the party at youth level), but of course, Renua doesn't have the pull that other parties do.

Most people involved in political parties are unpaid members, in fact most pay a membership fee to become involved. It's an act of volunteerism by folks that want to be involved in the democratic process so I don't see what the problem is with looking for a voluneteer to intern on a political campaign. Perhaps RENUA are advertising what most parties would offer to a party activist because, as you say, the don't actually have that many members?

seamus

osarusan wrote: »

The joke has become reality.

To be fair, it's not a criticism of JobsBridge, it's the actual job title that Subway give to their bread stuffers.

It just makes it even funnier that it's being called that in an internship.

osarusan

seamus wrote: »

To be fair, it's not a criticism of JobsBridge, it's the actual job title that Subway give to their bread stuffers.

I know, that's what I meant.

This is the joke people made years ago - a sandwich artist or a sandwich technician, or similar.

Paramite Pie

Fukuyama wrote: »

3 months. No pay.

Young, working class graduates don't have three months of living expenses saved up. Particularly when in three months they'll still be looking for paid work and not be entitled to the dole.

I'm working class and I worked up 6months of living expenses working in Dunnes after I left college. It's possible, and this was in the very midst of the recession in 2008/9. If ya save the piss-up money it can be done.