Living Wage

barry181091

Just saw this on RTE News.

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2015/1008/733219-lidl-living-wage/

Even more reason to shop there compared to Dunnes/Tesco!

Maybe now all big employers will follow suit!


Fcuk Dunnes anyway :mad:

jamesbere

What about the dying wage

mickmackmcgoo

It's all very well paying 11.50 an hour but will all employees get 39 hours a week . That's when it's actually a living wage. It's no good having 30 hours at 11.50 . This is a big problem for people working in retail. Very few actually get 39 hours

kneemos

barry181091 wrote: »

Just saw this on RTE News.

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2015/1008/733219-lidl-living-wage/

Even more reason to shop there compared to Dunnes/Tesco!

Maybe now all big employers will follow suit!


Fcuk Dunnes anyway :mad:

Fcuk Dunnes as a rule.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

It's all very well paying 11.50 an hour but will all employees get 39 hours a week . That's when it's actually a living wage. It's no good having 30 hours at 11.50 . This is a big problem for people working in retail. Very few actually get 39 hours

Exactly. And the CEO of Lidl said this morning that most were on 30 hours. 80% of their staff were already over the Living Wage rate.

In fairness to Dunnes their Sales Assistants rate runs to 12.31 per hour for some staff.

Toyotafanboi

barry181091 wrote: »

Just saw this on RTE News.

http://www.rte.ie/news/business/2015/1008/733219-lidl-living-wage/

Even more reason to shop there compared to Dunnes/Tesco!

Maybe now all big employers will follow suit!


Fcuk Dunnes anyway :mad:

Tescos employess are on €9.50 for their first year then move up to €11.75 in year two, so i'd imagine tesco have considerably less than 20% of their current workforce earning less than €11.50 per hour.

But yeah, go Lidl, a great bunch of lads, giving their staff money.

The Backwards Man

Where's my Lidl Joe? Where's my Lidl?

mad muffin

I prefer Aldi

LDN_Irish

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

Tescos employess are on €9.50 for their first year then move up to €11.75 in year two, so i'd imagine tesco have considerably less than 20% of their current workforce earning less than €11.50 per hour.

Unless things have changed it the last couple of years then this isn't correct. Between 2008-2012 Tesco staff started on around 9.37, after 18 months this went to around 9.74 and after another 18 months it went to 11.25. So it was 3 years before you'd see close to 11.50.

seamus

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

It's all very well paying 11.50 an hour but will all employees get 39 hours a week . That's when it's actually a living wage. It's no good having 30 hours at 11.50 . This is a big problem for people working in retail. Very few actually get 39 hours

30 hours on €11.50 an hour is better than 39 hours on €9 an hour. In the latter scenario you earn an additional €6 for doing 9 hours extra work.

Give me less hours any day.

BGozIE

Joan Burton jumping in there saying others should follow suit...when the current coalition came to power in the downturn, they tried to lower minnimum wage.

What an ole bag...

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

LDN_Irish wrote: »

Unless things have changed it the last couple of years then this isn't correct. Between 2008-2012 Tesco staff started on around 9.37, after 18 months this went to around 9.74 and after another 18 months it went to 11.25. So it was 3 years before you'd see close to 11.50.

Sales assistants in Tesco go to 12.47

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1

seamus wrote: »

30 hours on €11.50 an hour is better than 39 hours on €9 an hour. In the latter scenario you earn an additional €6 for doing 9 hours extra work.

Give me less hours any day.

But the reference was with regard to the Living wage. The Living Wage rate is predicated on a 39 hour week. Of course its better than minimum wage but that's a different creature altogether.

j8wk2feszrnpao

They fully merit what they get, be it Aldi or Lidl, the employees are excellent in my experience.
Tesco/Dunnes staff scan items as slow as an asthmatic ant carrying heavy shopping (thank you Blackadder for that one), I love the way that the Aldi/Lidl staff breeze through items.

Greyian

BGozIE wrote: »

Joan Burton jumping in there saying others should follow suit...when the current coalition came to power in the downturn, they tried to lower minnimum wage.

What an ole bag...

Didn't the current coalition restore the minimum wage to €8.65/hour, after FF had reduced it to €7.65/hour?

kneemos

Greyian wrote: »

Didn't the current coalition restore the minimum wage to €8.65/hour, after FF had reduced it to €7.65/hour?

The minimum wage has never been reduced.

Mr. teddywinkles

seamus wrote: »

30 hours on €11.50 an hour is better than 39 hours on €9 an hour. In the latter scenario you earn an additional €6 for doing 9 hours extra work.

Give me less hours any day.

At least it would give you the time to get another part-time job

mickmackmcgoo

seamus wrote:

30 hours on €11.50 an hour is better than 39 hours on €9 an hour. In the latter scenario you earn an additional €6 for doing 9 hours extra work.

The idea of the living wage is to give minimum weekly income of 450 euro ,that's what constitutes a living wage . 30 hours at 11.50 doesn't meet that

seamus

Greyian wrote: »

Didn't the current coalition restore the minimum wage to €8.65/hour, after FF had reduced it to €7.65/hour?

Yes. FF reduced it by a euro and the current government restored that euro after they were elected.

Funny how skewed some memories are.

The Backwards Man

kneemos wrote: »

The minimum wage has never been reduced.

Maybe you were out that day, but it was reduced in 2010 by FF.

Greyian

kneemos wrote: »

The minimum wage has never been reduced.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/1210/295369-budget/

http://parfreymurphy.ie/new-min-wage/

questionmark?

kneemos wrote: »

The minimum wage has never been reduced.

Yes it was. FF/Green coalition reduced it and FG/Lab restored it. Then again don't let facts get in your way.

Streetwalker

Still seems like it would be very hard to live on that sort of money to me. Average Mortgage is 1400-1500 a month in Dublin anyway that wage if you where lucky enough to get 40hrs a week would hardly cover it. Actually after taxes it wouldn't cover it at all.

OneOfThem

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

The idea of the living wage is to give minimum weekly income of 450 euro ,that's what constitutes a living wage . 30 hours at 11.50 doesn't meet that

Helps though? Pick up one shift of part time work somewhere else a week (Which you have the time free to do if you're on a 30 hour week there) even at minimum wage, and you're hitting the target?

jimgoose

A move in the right direction. It's a pure solid fcukan disgrace in this day-and-age on the tip of Western Europe that a grown man or woman can put in a sold 39 hours and not have enough to live properly. :mad:

seamus

Streetwalker wrote: »

Still seems like it would be very hard to live on that sort of money to me. Average Mortgage is 1400-1500 a month in Dublin anyway that wage if you where lucky enough to get 40hrs a week would hardly cover it. Actually after taxes it wouldn't cover it at all.

A €200k mortgage over 30 years at current rates is €900/month.

Notwithstanding the fact that someone doing 40 hour weeks on minimum/living wage wouldn't be buying a home anyway. That would easily cover a double room in a houseshare. Or rent on a decent apartment for two earners.

kneemos

OneOfThem wrote: »

Helps though? Pick up one shift of part time work somewhere else a week (Which you have the time free to do if you're on a 30 hour week there) even at minimum wage, and you're hitting the target?

Problem is as I gather is stores have constantly changing hours and some sort of hours everyday,so you can't even sign on for a day off.

SEPT 23 1989

Thats a living wage if you live with your parents how could you live and rent on that money in Dublin?

gimmick

I couldn't care less what Dunnes or Tesco pay people tbh.

Perhaps had people studied more and applied themselves as teens they would not be relying on such rubbish as a "living wage".

No doubt these same people will be complaining that the prices of fags are increased again in next weeks budget.

Maguined

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

The idea of the living wage is to give minimum weekly income of 450 euro ,that's what constitutes a living wage . 30 hours at 11.50 doesn't meet that

There will always be an inherent difference between part time and full time jobs. What you are asking for is to remove part time jobs and replace them with full time which is unrealistic as part time jobs serves a purpose and many people need them.

kneemos

Maguined wrote: »

There will always be an inherent difference between part time and full time jobs. What you are asking for is to remove part time jobs and replace them with full time which is unrealistic as part time jobs serves a purpose and many people need them.

Part time with realistic hours are what's needed.Two or three hours seven days a week is rediculous

wp_rathead

gimmick wrote: »

Perhaps had people studied more and applied themselves as teens they would not be relying on such rubbish as a "living wage".

.

Rather Harsh

Haznat

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

The idea of the living wage is to give minimum weekly income of 450 euro ,that's what constitutes a living wage . 30 hours at 11.50 doesn't meet that

Even if you are coming out with €450 you lose about €70 of that in tax.

We'll see how committed to this the government are in the next budget. Anyone making below the living wage should be paying nothing.

healthy_cynic

munstermagic11 wrote: »

They fully merit what they get, be it Aldi or Lidl, the employees are excellent in my experience.
Tesco/Dunnes staff scan items as slow as an asthmatic ant carrying heavy shopping (thank you Blackadder for that one), I love the way that the Aldi/Lidl staff breeze through items.

yes if only they could arrange things so more than two checkouts were open , might reduce the quees from twenty down to ten

lidl staff are great , all three of them

healthy_cynic

Streetwalker wrote: »

Still seems like it would be very hard to live on that sort of money to me. Average Mortgage is 1400-1500 a month in Dublin anyway that wage if you where lucky enough to get 40hrs a week would hardly cover it. Actually after taxes it wouldn't cover it at all.

i dont think people who work in lidl or on living wage are meant to be home owners , home owership is not a right

Haznat

healthy_cynic wrote: »

i dont think people who work in lidl or on living wage are meant to be home owners , home owership is not a right

Homeownership is now cheaper than renting in Dublin. Where do you suggest they live?

healthy_cynic

Haznat wrote: »

Homeownership is now cheaper than renting in Dublin. Where do you suggest they live?

it might be on paper but the banks dont lend ( the amount needed to buy in dublin ) to those on that kind of money unless they have a huge deposit

living and owning are two different things , renting in dublin is not as expensive as potrayed , its far cheaper than in many other european capitals when you consider the average income

Maguined

kneemos wrote: »

Part time with realistic hours are what's needed.Two or three hours seven days a week is rediculous

Not for many college students and some families with children who cannot work full time but still need a part time job for some income. It is not a companies fault if someone who wants to work a full time job is applying for a part time role. It is probably not that persons fault if they cannot find a suitable full time job either but you cannot simply get rid of the role part time jobs offer to the market.

OneOfThem

kneemos wrote: »

Problem is as I gather is stores have constantly changing hours and some sort of hours everyday,so you can't even sign on for a day off.

Ah right.

What's the advantage to the stores to have things like that?

I mean I can get if they had a highly volatile dealy in terms of how busy they were day to day/week to week or whatever,. But surely supermarkets are one of the more consistent types of business in those terms? Which days/hours/months are busy or slow is fairly consitent and predictable?

So what do they get out of it?

The Randy Riverbeast

Some people are really over estimating what a living wage is meant to cover. If I'm not eating steak and lobster while living in a 5 bed in Dublin with my merc out the front am I really living?

KeithTS

gimmick wrote: »

I couldn't care less what Dunnes or Tesco pay people tbh.

Perhaps had people studied more and applied themselves as teens they would not be relying on such rubbish as a "living wage".

No doubt these same people will be complaining that the prices of fags are increased again in next weeks budget.

What if I told you that due to familial circumstances and the international economic downturn that some people were/are not able to afford to go through education as it's not as free as you'd think.

Perhaps some young people may have the best of initentions but don't have the support they need to get them on the track to 3rd level education. Perhaps they grew up in areas without universities or ample job opportunities.

Perhaps migrants have come to this country to better themselves or are fleeing a bad situation in their home country and are more qualified than a lot of others working in highly paid industries and are working in these places to tide them over and perhaps your blind and ignorant views are an insight into how the more privelaged in our nation look down on others if they don't meet their high moral standards of having a "good" job.

These jobs are required, you may go out on a weekend and piss on the floor in a MacDonalds and would be rather annpoyed if somebody didn't clean it up. People working in stores etc dealing with the likes of you deserve more credit than I do sitting here at my cushy desk!

Haznat

healthy_cynic wrote: »

it might be on paper but the banks dont lend ( the amount needed to buy in dublin ) to those on that kind of money unless they have a huge deposit

living and owning are two different things , renting in dublin is not as expensive as potrayed , its far cheaper than in many other european capitals when you consider the average income

I'd love to know where renting is cheaper if you remove super capitals like Paris and London.

FishOnABike

gimmick wrote: »

I couldn't care less what Dunnes or Tesco pay people tbh.

Perhaps had people studied more and applied themselves as teens they would not be relying on such rubbish as a "living wage".

No doubt these same people will be complaining that the prices of fags are increased again in next weeks budget.

Do you expect all shops to be stocked by self driving forklifts and have nothing but automated checkouts?

Streetwalker

seamus wrote: »

A €200k mortgage over 30 years at current rates is €900/month.

Notwithstanding the fact that someone doing 40 hour weeks on minimum/living wage wouldn't be buying a home anyway. That would easily cover a double room in a houseshare. Or rent on a decent apartment for two earners.

Where would you get a house in Dublin for 200k?

Streetwalker

gimmick wrote: »

I couldn't care less what Dunnes or Tesco pay people tbh.

Perhaps had people studied more and applied themselves as teens they would not be relying on such rubbish as a "living wage".

No doubt these same people will be complaining that the prices of fags are increased again in next weeks budget.

I don't follow you or what you are getting at Have you got some sort of stats or are you making a sweeping statement? You say "no doubt" so you must have hard evidence?

Streetwalker

healthy_cynic wrote: »

i dont think people who work in lidl or on living wage are meant to be home owners , home owership is not a right

So only people who earn big money are "meant" to be home owners.

seamus

Streetwalker wrote: »

Where would you get a house in Dublin for 200k?

http://www.daft.ie/dublin/houses-for-sale/tyrrelstown/6-mount-eustace-rise-tyrrelstown-dublin-1062706/

Streetwalker

seamus wrote: »

http://www.daft.ie/dublin/houses-for-sale/tyrrelstown/6-mount-eustace-rise-tyrrelstown-dublin-1062706/

Thanks for that.

asherbassad

mickmackmcgoo wrote: »

It's all very well paying 11.50 an hour but will all employees get 39 hours a week . That's when it's actually a living wage. It's no good having 30 hours at 11.50 . This is a big problem for people working in retail. Very few actually get 39 hours

Ah sure, you're right. Pay them 8.65 an hour for 30 hours instead of 11.50 an hour for 30 hour so.

osarusan

asherbassad wrote: »

Ah sure, you're right. Pay them 8.65 an hour for 30 hours instead of 11.50 an hour for 30 hour so.

You must have worked very hard to miss the point so completely.

the evasion_kid

Not a hope of most of them following suit, sure aren't the government spoiling them with cheap labour