VW dieselgate, check if your car is affected

reklamos

All cars registered in Ireland can check if they are affected by entering reg number into link below:
http://www.campaigncheck.ie

finalfurlong

My 152 2 litr jetta clear.jetta pre this year had the 1.6 105 bhp engine same as passats-this is the one that people are worried about.

mathie

2012 Tiguan

Dear Customer,

Please be advised the Type EA 189 engine built into your vehicle with the licence plate number xxx you submitted, is affected by software that causes discrepancies in the values for oxides of nitrogen (NOx) during dynometer runs. Your car is safe from a technical standpoint and roadworthy.

We are very sorry to have broken your trust and are working at full speed to find a technical solution and we will cover the cost relating directly to this repair.

We will be in touch with you directly to explain what steps are required. We'll do the necessary work at our cost.

Yours faithfully,
Volkswagen Group Ireland.

Grab All Association

Girlfriends Golf

Dear Customer,

Please be advised the Type EA 189 engine built into your vehicle with the licence plate number 10TNxxxx you submitted, is affected by software that causes discrepancies in the values for oxides of nitrogen (NOx) during dynometer runs. Your car is safe from a technical standpoint and roadworthy.

We are very sorry to have broken your trust and are working at full speed to find a technical solution and we will cover the cost relating directly to this repair.

We will be in touch with you directly to explain what steps are required. We'll do the necessary work at our cost.

Yours faithfully,
Volkswagen Group Ireland.

lau1247

Dammit, mine is affected also, so they can fix it by means of software update. Obviously performance will be affected (By how much is not yet known). From customer standpoint we are being misled about the product performance, is VW group going to offer any compensation for the car owners?

dashoonage

The mammys golf made the cut. I look forward to drinking all the VW dealers coffee and eating their biscuits while they remap....id also like to test drive a golf r please...the mammy is thinking of upgrading from the 110bhp she has...she says it lags a bit overtaking.

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lau1247 wrote: »

Dammit, mine is affected also, so they can fix it by means of software update. Obviously performance will be affected (By how much is not yet known). From customer standpoint we are being misled about the product performance, is VW group going to offer any compensation for the car owners?

The whole thing was very poorly explained. I'm not sure there is one clear source of info from a European perspective.

In the USA it is an issue as the nox levels were manipulated. The EU has historically not cared about nox or particulates to any serious degree. These engines would fly through EU nox testing without the defeat device.
Unless the same defeat device also fiddled emissions to an extent that it affected European test results then they will be removing a technically illegal piece of software (but one which makes no difference in the EU) without any remapping.

If the same piece of software manipulated CO2 emissions then we are into a different league in the EU. Tax and fraud implications, and the possibility of detuned engines for owners.

Either way it has shown the test methods and limits (less CO2 at any expense) to be a farce. Possibly why this has been fudged in Europe and will be fixed with a magic wand with no clear explanation, as you were it's all fixed now alakazam alakazoo!

RedorDead

lau1247 wrote: »

Dammit, mine is affected also, so they can fix it by means of software update. Obviously performance will be affected (By how much is not yet known). From customer standpoint we are being misled about the product performance, is VW group going to offer any compensation for the car owners?

How do you know this or are you simply assuming based on what you read/hear?

Spudmonkey

lau1247 wrote: »

Dammit, mine is affected also, so they can fix it by means of software update. Obviously performance will be affected (By how much is not yet known). From customer standpoint we are being misled about the product performance, is VW group going to offer any compensation for the car owners?

My 1.6 TDI is affected

Dear Customer,

Please be advised the Type EA 189 engine built into your vehicle with the licence plate number xxxxxxx you submitted, is affected by software that causes discrepancies in the values for oxides of nitrogen (NOx) during dynometer runs. Your car is safe from a technical standpoint and roadworthy.

We are very sorry to have broken your trust and are working at full speed to find a technical solution and we will cover the cost relating directly to this repair.

We will be in touch with you directly to explain what steps are required. We'll do the necessary work at our cost.

Yours faithfully,
Volkswagen Group Ireland.

This crowd estimated a drop in 15hp. I think this was a 2 litre test engine. If its a 1.6 I'm not sure its as easy as saying a drop of 12hp or more but it may not be too far out. I'm thinking my 105bhp might be down to ~90.

traco

I just checked my 2010 Superb 2.0 CR 140 and its come back as not affected???

I was sure it would be and wonder if the fact that its a UK import may mean their database is not correct. It does confirm all the correct car details.

Could it also be due to the fact that the C02 on this model is higher than the same engine in the VW versions from the same year and therefore differnt ECU software?

Now I'm really curious?????

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Spudmonkey wrote: »

My 1.6 TDI is affected



This crowd estimated a drop in 15hp. I think this was a 2 litre test engine. If its a 1.6 I'm not sure its as easy as saying a drop of 12hp or more but it may not be too far out. I'm thinking my 105bhp might be down to ~90.

There's a lot of pseudo science going around and a lot of guesswork (ranging between educated guesswork and pure imagination), but that video they are using as a base for that article is disastrously unscientific and illogical.

They were on the right track to test on a 4 wheel dyno in 4 wheel mode and 2 wheel mode but they just did it wrong and made some strange conclusions.

Redgirl82

My A6 is affected.....:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:

Tweaky

2014 Skoda Superb affected

MargeS

So what is the issue really? Why bother getting the software updated? Will the NCT check to see if your car is one of those affected?

Henry Ford III

Will these software changes render a 1.6tdi Superb's performance at a similar level to the old glacially slow 75bhp 1.4 petrol Golf?

techie

My car also has the EA189 engine and my dealer contact has told me that all that will be involved is a Software change.

He assures me it will be sooner rather than later.

Drummerboy08

The fix is at best 3 months away as it needs to be road tested and then approved for use.

The idea of that site is to capture customer details of the cars affected in order to build an accurate database of who to contact, while also giving customers an indication of whether or not their car is affected.

Also, until it is actually confirmed that there is a drop in performance either in power or fuel consumption can people stop this madness of blindly guessing in the dark? It does no one any good.

FR85

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Will these software changes render a 1.6tdi Superb's performance at a similar level to the old glacially slow 75bhp 1.4 petrol Golf?

If it does then it's not the product you bought and I feel you should be able to send the car back as the arse will fall out of the market for your model and you'll be left at a loss. I personally wouldn't be standing for it.

dar83

Did it for the larf....

VW Group Ireland wrote:

Vehicle Not Impacted by the EA189 Campaign

Thank you for taking the time to check your vehicle. Your vehicle is not impacted by the EA189 campaign due to you being awesome and not driving the devils juice. Continue on your road to winning at life.

Which was nice.

Drummerboy08

No petrol engines are affected Dar!

Larbre34

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Will these software changes render a 1.6tdi Superb's performance at a similar level to the old glacially slow 75bhp 1.4 petrol Golf?

Is it not like that already?
Nobody knows precisely what the power output change will be, but Id say the 64bhp 1.9 SDI in a VW Bora would be a closer comparison.

You can always get it remapped back up again after the fact and keep schtum.

overshoot

FR85 wrote: »

If it does then it's not the product you bought and I feel you should be able to send the car back as the arse will fall out of the market for your model and you'll be left at a loss. I personally wouldn't be standing for it.

I was going to click the submit question thing about this... the realised it only takes your name, email and has no box to actually ask anything...

dar83

Drummerboy08 wrote: »

No petrol engines are affected Dar!

That was half the joke.

Deedsie

My 2.0 litre golf is affected. Hopefully it won't discourage people from buying as I have the car up for sale. Annoying.

_Kaiser_

For fun I threw mine in and my Euro 5 spec A6 clear as expected.
I can't really see why anyone here would WANT this patch if it's going to cut performance seeing as the issue it addresses isn't tested by NCT or impacts tax bands.

dieselbug

MargeS wrote: »

So what is the issue really? Why bother getting the software updated? Will the NCT check to see if your car is one of those affected?

The issue is pollution, estimated in the states between 12 and 102 deaths as a result of illegal emissions (according to Wiki)

Good point about nct, they only do a visual check on the emissions controls and the opacity test which is no more than a electricial visual test. No analysing of exhaust content, similar to US and most others I would think.

MargeS

I for one, won't be running to VW for a software update until I know for sure it will be affecting my yearly motor tax cost.

mik_da_man

dar83 wrote: »

That was half the joke.

Tried my car and it's not applicable too if that makes you feel any better

Truckermal

mik_da_man wrote: »

Tried my car and it's not applicable too if that makes you feel any better

The 1.9 PD isn't affected. ..

Bigcheeze

Anyone who doesn't want it done will probably need to avoid the VAG dealer network for servicing as it'll probably be done automatically then.

lau1247

RedorDead wrote: »

How do you know this or are you simply assuming based on what you read/hear?

I don't know this in the sense of a solid source but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that if they have to resort to tinker with the software to pass tests, there will always be a compromise to performance when that software is patched. Otherwise they don't have to do it in the first place.

There is no magic solution, to me either the performance suffer or the MPG suffer after the patch.

Mr Velo

Bigcheeze wrote: »

Anyone who doesn't want it done will probably need to avoid the VAG dealer network for servicing as it'll probably be done automatically then.

Won't NCT know?

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Mr Velo wrote: »

Won't NCT know?

No they won't know or care about nox emissions or co2.

mickdw

lau1247 wrote: »

I don't know this in the sense of a solid source but it doesn't take a genius to figure out that if they have to resort to tinker with the software to pass tests, there will always be a compromise to performance when that software is patched. Otherwise they don't have to do it in the first place.

There is no magic solution, to me either the performance suffer or the MPG suffer after the patch.

You are right of course. Something has to give or else they would never have used the dodgy software.
Alternatively it could all be cost related and the fitting of an adblue system could be the answer.
They would have to offer free top up and servicing for life of car though.
What would a retrofit involve though?

RedorDead

mickdw wrote: »

You are right of course. Something has to give or else they would never have used the dodgy software.
Alternatively it could all be cost related and the fitting of an adblue system could be the answer.
They would have to offer free top up and servicing for life of car though.
What would a retrofit involve though?

I dont see how output, torque or co2 emissions would suffer by simply removing a piece of software that for all you or i know - may not even work on Irish cars?

The software is there to lower nox when in test cycle. Everything else at this stage is simply a guesstimate.

Padkir

My 2010 A4 is affected.

techie

RedorDead wrote: »

I dont see how output, torque or co2 emissions would suffer by simply removing a piece of software that for all you or i know - may not even work on Irish cars?

The software is there to lower nox when in test cycle. Everything else at this stage is simply a guesstimate.

Could the same software bring down the Co2 though?

gctest50

Bigcheeze wrote: »

Anyone who doesn't want it done will probably need to avoid the VAG dealer network for servicing as it'll probably be done automatically then.

that'll be the new thing - just wait for it

insurance co. : " Have you updated your car to the latest firmwarez at Official Dealer ? " - "Please provide certificate of same "

& "Altering said firmwarez will render your insurance null n void n stuff "

the old " low-tech solution to a high-tech problem " - if you crash, they'd get the ECU data read

This would spell the end to the dirty-diesel-VW-boy-racer cars too



Bosch will be happy
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RandomAccess

RedorDead wrote: »

I dont see how output, torque or co2 emissions would suffer by simply removing a piece of software that for all you or i know - may not even work on Irish cars?

The software is there to lower nox when in test cycle. Everything else at this stage is simply a guesstimate.

There are a few ways to look at this, and you are considering option B.

Option A: VW tweak the engine so it never exceeds the NOx figures the engine was declared as emitting.

Option B: VW remove the lie, and the engine spews the true high NOx emissions that it really always has done outside of the lab.

Option C: VW tweak the engine so that it doesn't exceed the national standard level of NOx even though this figure may be significantly higher than the originally specified figure the engine was sold with.

I get the impression from reading various media that the media/people expect VW to 'fix' the problem, option 'A'
I don't see how they can manage option A in software without compromising on other areas such as Co2 or MPG, just based on what I've learned.

The Guardian (UK Newspaper) have some pretty good coverage of the scandal.
Though they did mention that the ea189 was a 2.0 litre engine, and now it seems that the code refers to a family of engines including 2.0 1.6 and 1.2 .

thadg

just wondering why people are going to take there cars in to get the software done?

we have 2.0 version engine, it definitely wont be going in, it hasn't given an ounce of trouble in the last 5 years, who knows what problems this software will cause??

will the engine now have to run hotter to burn these nox emissions?

if so the car would end up being heavier in fuel and would probably be down on power.

why would anyone want to change the runnings of there car if this is the case.

I wont be anyway

KaiserLu

Mine's an import and when I typed the Irish reg in it says it can't find it-am I out of the woods?

For Forks Sake

KaiserLu wrote: »

Mine's an import and when I typed the Irish reg in it says it can't find it-am I out of the woods?

Put the VIN into the UK site just to double-check I'd say: http://info.volkswagen.com/gb/en/home.html?iframe=true&tab=check-own-car#check-own-car

RandomAccess

I'd wait until some independent groups have tested the Cars before and after the change.
YouTube will have a few tests of them.

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RandomAccess wrote: »

YouTube will have a few tests of them.

For everyones sake I hope they are better than some of the codology thrown out for youtube hits so far!

KaiserLu

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Put the VIN into the UK site just to double-check I'd say: http://info.volkswagen.com/gb/en/home.html?iframe=true&tab=check-own-car#check-own-car

Just checked. It's affected. FFS.

The tax man

Yesterday my 2015 Superb was not affected, today it is.

thadg

The tax man wrote: »

Yesterday my 2015 Superb was not affected, today it is.

thought it was only up to 2014 engines

ianobrien

Just checked the machines at home. The 2014 Leon FR isn't affected, the 2011 140PS Octavia is.

mickdw

I'm getting alot of glitches on the checker page.
I've got the result back with random reg numbers that I had not inputted - possibly a number that someone else had just entered.
I got varying results too as to whether a car is effected or not.

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mickdw wrote: »

I'm getting alot of glitches on the checker page.
I've got the result back with random reg numbers that I had not inputted - possibly a number that someone else had just entered.
I got varying results too as to whether a car is effected or not.

You need to simultaneously hold "Scroll Lock", "N" , "O", "X" and "9" to get the desired results.

one man clappin

My car is affected, 2010 Golf 1.6 import.
I am also having problems with the DPF recently, just wondering could the DPF problem be related to this software issue?