Brendan Rodgers sacked.

Rayne Wooney

murpho999 wrote: »

Van Gaal is only better insofar as that he is working at the moment.

He has done nothing in his time at UTD to show he is better than Klopp.

He's achieved the goal that was set to him to be fair

And he is achieving the goals for this season too

yabadabado

Fair play to Liverpool if Klopp is the next manager,his reign at Dortmund might have ended on a low but for a few seasons they played excellent football and he would be on the list of many clubs when looking for a manager.
He is the calibre of manager FSG should have tried to get when they were replacing Kenny,it still seems incredible they went with Rodgers.He was unproven and are Liverpool in any better of a position after his tenure ?

If Klopp is given time and a decent transfer budget is available then it will be very interesting to see what he can do with the club.Exciting times ahead for Pool fans,the change probably should have taken place in the summer but thats neither here nor there.

Streetwalker

If only they'd go away and stop embarrassing themselves.

Agent Coulson

With Moyes and now Rodgers getting sacked this will put an end to so called young British managers getting a shot at a big club.


I don't think top clubs will experiment again with unproven at the top level managers.

MightyMandarin

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

No I didn't, stop making stuff up

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I wanted Van Gaal as well, the club needed to stabilise and Van Gaal was a better option than Klopp for doing so. Klopp or Guardiola after Van Gaal for long term

Right.

Utopia Parkway

In fairness whether you like Liverpool or not he'll certainly add some excitement to the PL. Also seems like he didn't feel he was too good for Liverpool after all.

MightyMandarin

Agent Coulson wrote: »

With Moyes and now Rodgers getting sacked this will put an end to so called young British managers getting a shot at a big club.


I don't think top clubs will experiment again with unproven at the top level managers.

Hopefully this means more of them will go abroad. Say what you want about English managers, but they don't have a terrible record at foreign clubs; even Steve McClaren dominated the Eredivisie with Twente for a number of years.

I think British managers could do with a bit more experience in different types of leagues, such as slow-paced games in Italy. It might mean they are better prepared for EL/CL games which will benefit them at top English clubs.

K-9

bucketybuck wrote: »

Of course every appointment is a risk, and I don't say Liverpool shouldn't take that risk.

I just roll my eyes a little at the gushing praise Klopp gets from all quarters. He is as likely to be the next David Moyes as he is to be the next Mourinho, I just think people should have a little perspective on the guy.

Er, let's not go overboard now.

GLaDOS

Liverpool's best appointment since Benitez if it happens.

Rayne Wooney

MightyMandarin wrote: »

Right.

So are you going to show me the post where I said that I would prefer Van Gaal to Klopp in March 2014 or not?

It's like saying I would prefer Torres to Suarez in 2009, Suarez is obviously the better player likewise Van Gaal is the better manager now and better suited for what United need.

Do Liverpool fans honestly think Klopp is a better manager than Van Gaal based on their careers so far?

murpho999

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

He's achieved the goal that was set to him to be fair

And he is achieving the goals for this season too

Yes, they looked very good yesterday. So Utd are now just content to get top 4 now instead of winning titles. Becoming a smaller club so.

K-9

TheDoc wrote: »

He is also a manager who has some clearly positive ties with players he has worked with, and players clearly want to play for him. Could be an added bonus for Liverpool if Klopp arrives, for an avenue to some players that otherwise would be massively unrealistic.

Similar to how Van Gaal's relationship with Memphis was a major advantage in that deal taking place, who knows what player(s) Liverpool could attract with the proposition of Klopp being at the helm.

This, will do no harm at all for prospective signings.

Rayne Wooney

murpho999 wrote: »

Yes, they looked very good yesterday. So Utd are now just content to get top 4 now instead of winning titles. Becoming a smaller club so.

It's a marathon not a sprint, we are 2 points off first in third. The goal is to challenge and we are

City and Arsenal lost to West Ham

magma69

K-9 wrote: »

This, will do no harm at all for prospective signings.

I don't see the Klopp factor having much of an impact of enticing players tbh. Nearly all players go where the money is.

K-9

SlickRic wrote: »

it's not surprising that many Utd fans are saying Klopp's overrated. it's football tribalism at its least subtle. many can't see a good appointment for what it is when it involves a club they hate.

the narrative in many people's heads is that 'Liverpool are shíte'. Therefore, the extension of that is that they can't get a proven, top quality manager.

i just hope those now denouncing Klopp can even take a second to step back, be objective, and say to themselves that this would be a top quality appointment. you don't have to admit it. you don't have to post it. i wouldn't want you to sully yourself by having to say anything remotely positive about anything Liverpool has done.

I just hope you're honest with yourself, even for a moment.

it'd be sad if your hate was so deep that even that was impossible.

Its shock to hear it is possible.

Couple of the more normal United fans I know just didn't think Klopp would be an option when talking about replacements.

johnny osbourne

if it wasn't for demba ba

Morzadec

K-9 wrote: »

Its shock to hear it is possible.

Couple of the more normal United fans I know just didn't think Klopp would be an option when talking about replacements.

I don't see why it's being viewed as such a shock.

The guy is out if a job. Also he has never managed an "elite" team before. Someone like Ancellotti might have been surprising in this respect.

Also Klopp had great years at Dortmund, a club and a challenge similar to Liverpool/Liverpool's situation in many ways, but a bigger step up in terms of global fanbase, pressure etc... Seems like a reasonable next step

Klopp didn't shy away of the challenge to work at a financial disadvantage with Dortmund (it seemed he relished it) so why would that change?

Liverpool's history, loyal and passionate fanbase will be a draw for certain managers and Klopp seems like that sort. It's not outlandish to suggest that these elements as well as the opportunity to build something and have a chance at a longer term project appeal to Klopp more than what a club like Chelsea might offer

Some describing it as a "coup" for Liverpool - no doubt it looks like an excellent appointment and the fans will be happy, but I imagine Klopp is also feeling privileged and excited about the opportunity.

It a move that makes sense for both parties and is no great shock - sure it's been rumoured for weeks!

murpho999

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

It's a marathon not a sprint, we are 2 points off first in third. The goal is to challenge and we are

City and Arsenal lost to West Ham

Ok, so I'm trying to work out the logic of Utd being title challengers whilst being 2 points adrift but Liverpool have absolutely no hope of top 4 despite being only 3 points off fourth place and 4 behind Utd?

Rayne Wooney

murpho999 wrote: »

Ok, so I'm trying to work out the logic of Utd being title challengers whilst being 2 points adrift but Liverpool have absolutely no hope of top 4 despite being only 3 points off fourth place and 4 behind Utd?

Because United came 4th last season and are improving on that? Now 3rd, were 1st, I said the goals are being achieved so far, which they are

K-9

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

Of course it lessened him as a manager

When Rodgers almost won the league Liverpool fans thought he was the second coming of Paisley, and the proceeding season changed that

The original question was do I rate Klopp higher than Van Gaal, because I wanted Klopp as manager in early 2014 when he was untouchable is irrelevant to that question because it still doesn't change the fact that Van Gaal is a better manager at present and better for what United need now

So you flip flop opinions if a manager has a bad season. So being consistent LVG must have been a worry with his track record of failed seasons.

Anyway, caught hook, line and sinker. You walked right into it too, he gave you a few chances to wriggle out of it but nope, had to keep biting.

chicorytip

Klopp's achievements ought to be put in perspective.The Bundesliga is a far weaker league than the Premiership - a two horse race, in effect. Ottmar Hitzfeld's successful spell as manager, including a Champions League win in 1997, was far more praiseworthy.

8-10

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

I would be interested to hear of any other manager's who have won a league which at the time included one of Bayern Munich, Barca, Real or PSG (one of the real powers of the Euro leagues) of the modern era and also got a team to the CL final. The only other i can think of is Simeone.

Benitez?

Knex*

The bundesliga is not far weaker than the PL though, regardless of what Sky might drum out.

Rayne Wooney

K-9 wrote: »

So you flip flop opinions if a manager has a bad season. So being consistent LVG must have been a worry with his track record of failed seasons.

Anyway, caught hook, line and sinker. You walked right into it too, he gave you a few chances to wriggle out of it but nope, had to keep biting.

Is changing your opinion in the space of a year and a half flip flopping? Because that was the original question he asked me

It was obvious after bringing Van Gaal up what he was angling for, it would have been better if he actually caught me out as you say and I denied ever wanting Klopp over Van Gaal but you'll see I didn't

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

But you wanted Klopp before LVG was hired.

Rayne Wooney wrote: »

I wanted Van Gaal as well, the club needed to stabilise and Van Gaal was a better option than Klopp for doing so. Klopp or Guardiola after Van Gaal for long term

8-10

LvG would have been a better appointment than Klopp. But the ship sailed on that one a long time ago

punk_one82

chicorytip wrote: »

Klopp's achievements ought to be put in perspective.The Bundesliga is a far weaker league than the Premiership - a two horse race, in effect. Ottmar Hitzfeld's successful spell as manager, including a Champions League win in 1997, was far more praiseworthy.

The Bundesliga isn't a far weaker league than the mighty premiership. It's quite clear that the top English sides currently don't compare to the top European sides. Back to back Bundesliga titles followed by a champions league final as well as domestic cups do not need to be put into perspective. It was a fantastic achievement by Klopp and Dortmund.

ERG89

Knex. wrote: »

The bundesliga is not far weaker than the PL though, regardless of what Sky might drum out.

The best?? erm most competitive?? erm exciting....will that do? league in the world.
It is a huge achievement to win the Bundesliga from where Dortmund were when he took over & getting them to a CL final.
Does that mean he will do the exact same at Liverpool? Of course not. He hasn't even taken the job ffs.
But talking down those achievements is talking absolute fücking bollocks

PhlegmyMoses

Knex. wrote: »

The bundesliga is not far weaker than the PL though, regardless of what Sky might drum out.

It pretty much is though. We're going too far the other way, imo. Sure, the PL has had a rough couple of years but in any given season you will have 4, maybe 5 teams if you consider Pool a potential challenger considering 2014, that could potentially be strong. In the Bundesliga, you just have to hope that Bayern have a down season and you are in with a chance.

That is not to take away from Klopp's achievements though. That Dortmund team would have challenged anywhere. The Bundesliga has one and a half solid clubs that are always capable of mounting a challenge at home and abroad. The PL has 4 or 5.

ERG89

PhlegmyMoses wrote: »

It pretty much is though. We're going too far the other way, imo. Sure, the PL has had a rough couple of years but in any given season you will have 4, maybe 5 teams if you consider Pool a potential challenger considering 2014, that could potentially be strong. In the Bundesliga, you just have to hope that Bayern have a down season and you are in with a chance.

I genuinely can't remember a season where more than 3 teams in the PL were actually in the race.....Chelsea had basically won it by Christmas last year. Bayern are a far better side than anyone in England at present in my eyes too.
Even this year it's looking like City will prove to be too good already but what has this got to do with Brendan Rodgers or Liverpool?

PhlegmyMoses

ERG89 wrote: »

I genuinely can't remember a season where more than 3 teams in the PL were actually in the race.....Chelsea had basically won it by Christmas last year. Bayern are a far better side than anyone in England at present in my eyes too.
Even this year it's looking like City will prove to be too good already but what has this got to do with Brendan Rodgers or Liverpool?

You are missing my point. If Chelsea are poor this year, another mega club will be good. If United do well next year, for example, they have to hope that City, Arsenal, Chelsea and Pool to a lesser extent are worse. In the Bundesliga, if you are having a good season, you have to hope Bayern, and to a lesser extent Dortmund, are off their game.

There are double the number of teams who have the potential and resources to be excellent in any given year in the PL relative to the Bundesliga. This is inarguable tbh. And I agree, Bayern are far etter than all teams in the PL right now.