Phone can't be updated

Jack GrEnglish · 02-10-2015 10:20pm #1

I went to install an app only to get an error message. I then found out the app required 4.2, whereas my phone is stuck on 4.02.

It transpires no further updates are available, despite the specs of my phone being well capable of handling the latest android OS.

Wwhat a pile of ****e! Such a deliberate plot to force people to continue upgrading even when they don't need to.

beauf · 02-10-2015 10:33pm

Hence why things like the Moto phones became popular.

DopeTech · 03-10-2015 6:57am

What phone have you op?

Jack GrEnglish · 03-10-2015 7:46am

FrostyJim wrote: »

What phone have you op?

Sony xperia ray. It's a great phone and I love the size, but if all new apps won't work, it will start to become redundant.

Into The Blue · 03-10-2015 7:53am

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2545359

Jack GrEnglish · 03-10-2015 8:00am

I looked at that and was worried I'd fcuk up my phone if I made a mistake.

Is there always a way to revert back any changes?

sean1141 · 03-10-2015 8:17am

You usually can save your current software.

I had one of them phones a few years back myself. Lovely little phone but in fairness they must be 5 year old and with the way technology is moving that is a long time!

Jack GrEnglish · 03-10-2015 8:26am

sean1141 wrote: »

You usually can save your current software.

I had one of them phones a few years back myself. Lovely little phone but in fairness they must be 5 year old and with the way technology is moving that is a long time!

Yes but all phones now are stupidly big! I can't find a phone I like that's decent quality under 4 fcuking inches.

What is wrong people? Are they overcompensating for being small elsewhere?

heebusjeebus · 03-10-2015 8:42am

Horses for courses I suppose but the trend is for bigger phones as they can do so much more now. Practically removing the need for a PC.

Personally, I wont go below 5 inches. A 3.3 inch phone would wreck my head for everything like browsing, reading ebooks and watching Netflix.

If you don't want to try flashing custom roms onto the phone, your only other option is to upgrade but now most "small" phones are gimped in terms of specs.

Maybe have a look at the Sony Xperia M. I'm not sure if Sony are planning on releasing Marshmallow on it though.

Jack GrEnglish · 03-10-2015 8:50am

heebusjeebus wrote: »

Horses for courses I suppose but the trend is for bigger phones as they can do so much more now. Practically removing the need for a PC.

Personally, I wont go below 5 inches. A 3.3 inch phone would wreck my head for everything like browsing, reading ebooks and watching Netflix.

If you don't want to try flashing custom roms onto the phone, your only other option is to upgrade but now most "small" phones are gimped in terms of specs.

Maybe have a look at the Sony Xperia M. I'm not sure if Sony are planning on releasing Marshmallow on it though.

Many of the xperia m's specs are below my xperia ray, and the OS can't be upgraded to 4.4.

That would be a total waste of cash tbf.

5 inches is a whopper to have in your hand, it just looks ridiculous.

D'Peoples Voice · 03-10-2015 10:09am

null wrote:

It transpires no further updates are available, despite the specs of my phone being well capable of handling the latest android OS.

Sony are actually one of the better OEMs at updating their phones - well since they eased back on the skin they put on Android and decoupled their apps into the Play Store.
Under Marshmallow, they are updating as far back as the Z1.

But, I would recommend putting on a third party ROM as someone suggested, though if memory serves me right, third party ROMs and Sony camera don't play well.

Either way, sounds like a second hand Z1 Compact is a possible phone, it's probably 2 years old so should be cheap to pick up. As it got lollipop, you should have little problems with apps for years to come.

Jack GrEnglish · 03-10-2015 10:21am

Nice suggestion, it looks like a great phone.

Mind you, 300 euros is hardly cheap!

beauf · 03-10-2015 10:36am

Jack GrEnglish wrote: »

Yes but all phones now are stupidly big! I can't find a phone I like that's decent quality under 4 fcuking inches.

What is wrong people? Are they overcompensating for being small elsewhere?

They are mainly used for media and web.

Not as a phone.

We still use a phone with 2.3.6 as a backup phone, for just phone use. You can still load apps like viber and still use the web etc. It's just slow.

Jack GrEnglish · 03-10-2015 10:39am

beauf wrote: »

They are mainly used for media and web.

Not as a phone.

We still use a phone with 2.3.6 as a backup phone, for just phone use. You can still load apps like viber and still use the web etc. It's just slow.

My phone works fine for media. I want something that fits neatly in my pocket and hand, not a giant monstrosity. People with big phones look like bellends tbh.

DANNY2014 · 03-10-2015 10:42am

Z1 compact great lil phone but my god the screen is shocking I scratched it after 3 days and the screen itself smashed and another got hairline crack... Don't think I'd ever go Sony again in less they sort out screen problems...

Jack GrEnglish · 03-10-2015 10:44am

DANNY2014 wrote: »

Z1 compact great lil phone but my god the screen is shocking I scratched it after 3 days and the screen itself smashed and another got hairline crack... Don't think I'd ever go Sony again in less they sort out screen problems...

Tbf, I always get a protective case, so that wouldn't be a problem.

It's just annoying it's over 4 inches. The 300 quid pricetag is also a bit steep.

sean1141 · 03-10-2015 10:55am

DANNY2014 wrote:

Z1 compact great lil phone but my god the screen is shocking I scratched it after 3 days and the screen itself smashed and another got hairline crack... Don't think I'd ever go Sony again in less they sort out screen problems...

I have the xperia z myself. Can't fault the screen at all but then I have a decent protector on it. Never had any problems with the phone in my pocket getting marked but when I had a galaxy I cracked 2 screens in my pocket.. I wouldn't buy one of them again!!

Op in fairness to the ray it's was a great phone and very tidy but times have changed. I was like you and didn't really want a bigger screen but now I honestly don't think I could go back to a smaller screen..

You have 2 options.
1. Update the version of Android on your current phone. I done it myself with my own ray and it was very easy.

2. Upgrade your phone to a newer one and get another few years out of it until you run into the same problem again!!

Jack GrEnglish · 03-10-2015 11:10am

sean1141 wrote: »

I have the xperia z myself. Can't fault the screen at all but then I have a decent protector on it. Never had any problems with the phone in my pocket getting marked but when I had a galaxy I cracked 2 screens in my pocket.. I wouldn't buy one of them again!!

Op in fairness to the ray it's was a great phone and very tidy but times have changed. I was like you and didn't really want a bigger screen but now I honestly don't think I could go back to a smaller screen..

You have 2 options.
1. Update the version of Android on your current phone. I done it myself with my own ray and it was very easy.

2. Upgrade your phone to a newer one and get another few years out of it until you run into the same problem again!!

I wouldn't say installing the customs roms is easy at all, and the results can be patchy.

I think I'll wait for the price of the z1 compact to drop before biting the bullet.

sean1141 · 03-10-2015 11:21am

How many times have you installed a custom rom?

Digital Solitude · 03-10-2015 11:26am

Installing a ROM is very simple.

Your specs seem fairly crap op, a 1ghz Single core with 512mb ram are ancient specs

Squeeonline · 03-10-2015 11:32am

DANNY2014 wrote: »

Z1 compact great lil phone but my god the screen is shocking I scratched it after 3 days and the screen itself smashed and another got hairline crack... Don't think I'd ever go Sony again in less they sort out screen problems...

Apparently they fixed it in the Z2. I had the Z1 and the screen got so many scratches by just being in my pocket. My Galaxy S1 never got any scratches on the screen. Honestly don't like Sony devices much anyway. Had loads of other problems with the device too.

Lovin' my G4 now though.

Digital Solitude wrote: »

Installing a ROM is very simple.

Your specs seem fairly crap op, a 1ghz Single core with 512mb ram are ancient specs

Depends on the device. Some are easier to mod than others. It's quite an ambitious thing for people not familiar with it and risks bricking the device.

Into The Blue · 03-10-2015 11:33am

Jack GrEnglish wrote: »

Yes but all phones now are stupidly big! I can't find a phone I like that's decent quality under 4 fcuking inches.

What is wrong people? Are they overcompensating for being small elsewhere?

screen size explained very accurately

Jack GrEnglish · 03-10-2015 11:44am

Digital Solitude wrote: »

Installing a ROM is very simple.

Your specs seem fairly crap op, a 1ghz Single core with 512mb ram are ancient specs

It's easily enough to run 4.4.

I know you think you're a big man with your 6 inch 'phablet', but I can tell you that it makes you look like a tosser.

sean1141 · 03-10-2015 11:48am

Jack GrEnglish wrote:

I know you think you're a big man with your 6 inch 'phablet', but I can tell you that it makes you look like a tosser.

To be honest you sound like a tosser.. people here are only trying to help you and you insist on insulting them because they choose to use a phone with a big screen! Seriously dude get a grip.

Jack GrEnglish · 03-10-2015 11:59am

sean1141 wrote: »

To be honest you sound like a tosser.. people here are only trying to help you and you insist on insulting them because they choose to use a phone with a big screen! Seriously dude get a grip.

I'm very grateful to those who have offered decent advice, but that poster decided to deride the specs of my phone when they are perfectly good enough to run 4.4.

Digital Solitude · 03-10-2015 12:04pm

Jack GrEnglish wrote: »

It's easily enough to run 4.4.

I know you think you're a big man with your 6 inch 'phablet', but I can tell you that it makes you look like a tosser.

It makes me feel strong to weild such a phone in my massive man hands, one with useable specs and :eek: it runs 5.1.1 because of its useable specs

Regardless of you being a tool, I'd say try the custom ROM for 4.4.4, or else look into the Chinese android stores, you can always find small phones with middling specs there

Jack GrEnglish · 03-10-2015 12:13pm

sean1141 wrote: »

How many times have you installed a custom rom?

As many times as you've had sexual intercourse.

All jokes aside, I'll give the update a go and see how it goes.

beauf · 03-10-2015 12:35pm

Jack GrEnglish wrote: »

My phone works fine for media. I want something that fits neatly in my pocket and hand, not a giant monstrosity. People with big phones look like bellends tbh.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vurEe3-xgNw

What people like is subjective.

Most people would not be happy with a single CPU 3" screen, 512mb ram and 1GB internal disk with Android. They would find it very slow. It would well below the minimum specs for the OS.
Even when new the Ray was one of the smallest smart phones you could get. But there no need to offensive about it.

Jack GrEnglish · 03-10-2015 1:34pm

It's 3.THREE inches. Jaysus, you can't even get that right.

For my needs the ray is perfect, it's a masterpiece compared to other smartphones I've owned.

Digital Solitude · 03-10-2015 2:52pm

If its perfect, stop complaining.

You have three choices
Get an iPhone 4S or older
Try the KK ROM
Get a ****ty little android again.

And the end of each path you should stop whining because manufacturers won't cater to your needs as a special snowflake, and then get over it. If you want to go against the grain you've to make sacrifices.

Jack GrEnglish · 03-10-2015 3:15pm

Digital Solitude wrote: »

If its perfect, stop complaining.

If you want to go against the grain you've to make sacrifices.

You mean like living in Leitrim?

heebusjeebus · 03-10-2015 3:41pm

What you want is a phone for ants.

RossieMan · 03-10-2015 9:32pm

Op you are completely deluded. I wouldn't even waste my time with custom roms on that, waste of time. But something more up to date, a moto e would nearly beat the ray at this stage.

Jack GrEnglish · 04-10-2015 4:12am

RossieMan wrote: »

Op you are completely deluded. I wouldn't even waste my time with custom roms on that, waste of time. But something more up to date, a moto e would nearly beat the ray at this stage.

It's too forking big! You'd know that if you'd bothered to read the thread.

4.5 inches is the maximum I'll consider and even that's too big really.

DopeTech · 04-10-2015 6:49am

Jack GrEnglish wrote: »

It's too forking big! You'd know that if you'd bothered to read the thread.

4.5 inches is the maximum I'll consider and even that's too big really.

First gen moto e has a 4.3 inch screen, 2nd gen has 4.5inch screen.

Jack GrEnglish · 04-10-2015 6:52am

Can you go any lower than 4.3 inches? I'd accept 4.

DopeTech · 04-10-2015 6:53am

Jack GrEnglish wrote: »

Can you go any lower than 4.3 inches? I'd accept 4.

I really don't think there is anything anyway decent below 4.3inchs.

DopeTech · 04-10-2015 7:02am

There is this. Has a 4 inch screen but it would be a step down in specs for almost the same price as the moto e

htttp://www.tescomobile.ie/phones/displayPhone.aspx?p=273

Jack GrEnglish · 04-10-2015 7:18am

Jaysus, that phone is a piece of sh1t! Have you lost your mind?

DopeTech · 04-10-2015 7:23am

Jack GrEnglish wrote: »

Jaysus, that phone is a piece of sh1t! Have you lost your mind?

Well its has 4.4.2 (with an upgrade to lolipop planned) which is what you wanted. I don't know how important everything else is to you. I don't think you'll get a decent spec 4". Moto e is probably your best bet.

Jack GrEnglish · 04-10-2015 7:26am

FrostyJim wrote: »

Well its has 4.4.2 (with an upgrade to lolipop planned) which is what you wanted. I don't know how important everything else is to you. I don't think you'll get a decent spec 4". Moto e is probably your best bet.

I hate the design of the moto 3 tbh, it's a fat bitch of a yoke, and the specs aren't even that grate on the first gen version.

Fack it, I'll wait for the Z1 compact to drop to 200 quid or so and upgrade then.

Phone can't be updated

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