If I decided to sell - how much could it be worth?

CiniO

Question rather hypothetical as I don't think I'll be selling it, but let's try.

2001 Fiat Bravo 1.2 16v.
Blue colour, 145k miles. 3 owners from new, last one (myself) since 2008.
Car was serviced regularly all the time with oil and filters changed every 15k km or every year. Previous owners provided invoices for that. I just noted that in a book as I did all servicing myself.
Car in very good condition overall mechanically. Engine and gearbox working 100%. Suspension rebuilt 4 years ago (30k miles ago) - with new KYB shocks, wishbones, rear arm bushes, eibach lowering springs, strutbrace.
Bodywork average - no rust but few small dents and scratches painted with spray-paint.
New exhaust fit 4 years ago.
I could include plenty of spare parts with the car - as I stripped down another brava few years back. I've got spare gearbox, starter, alternator, plenty of sensors, seatbelts, windscreen wiper motor, front lights, throttle with stepper motor, and plenty more.

NCT valid until end of November 2016.

How much do you think I could reasonably expect to get for car like that?
Would including spare parts increase a value I could sell it for?
Does having suspension lowered with eibach springs increase or decrease value of the car?

Thans for any suggestions.

Toyotafanboi

i would go in asking €750, taking offers over €500.

it's probably a decent car and it's probably worth much more to you than it is retail wise.

unfortunately to the average Irish person it's an old, high mileage Fiat despite how well you've maintained it.

colm_mcm

I'd say ask 500 to get 400

mgbgt1978

There are two Petrol Bravo's on DD right now from that era....both 2000. One dreamer is asking €900 and the more realistic seller is asking €475.

I'd say go with Colm's advice.
And Cinio, a 4 year-old exhaust is not 'new' anymore. Hardly worth mentioning.
What sells cars like this is a decent NCT. The spares should help it sell faster, but don't really add any value to the sale.

Best of luck with the sale anyway Cinio.

Toyotafanboi

Jaysis, just had a browse of donedeal, you'd get a clean, tested, ok spec mk2 punto for ~€600, what a time to be alive.
http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/fiat-punto-1-2-petrol-n-ct-till-06-16/10468804?offset=18

unfortunately, the bravo looks a lot more dated than the likes of one of these.

Charlie19

CiniO wrote: »

NCT valid until end of November 2016.
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How did you manage that?

I only get 12 months nct with my car.

colm_mcm

You can get 12+3 months if you're early.

Did you have to put in the new subframe in the end cinio?

CiniO

So in short words if I got €500 I should feel lucky.
I was affraid of that, but just wanted to see what you guys think.
There's no chance I'd be selling it for that, as car is worth much more both practically and sentimentally.
Practically as it's perfectly good running car which probably won't need much investment in near future, and is quite comfortable and fun to drive.
And sentimentally as I cared for it so much over last 7 years, that it would be very hard to give it to someone for donoughts.
Only drawback of keeping it is that it's hardly suitable for us anymore as it's only 3 door so fitting 2 kids for school runs is not exactly comfortable and safety is also bit of a concern as it's probably quite far from safet vehicle construction, specially that is only has 2 front airbags which are nearly 15 years old now and only god knows if they'd work, as well as not having ABS or anything like that.

But I still think I'll keep it for future until it becomes a vintage

CiniO

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

unfortunately, the bravo looks a lot more dated than the likes of one of these.

Oh come on.
Punto is a lower class car (small hatchback compared to compact size hatchback which bravo is). It's also quite ugly, compared to great looking bravo

colm_mcm

To be fair. With bravo you think 90s, with punto you think 00s.

The bravo/a was more revolutionary for it's time but is definitely dated, more by its proportions than its styling

CiniO

colm_mcm wrote: »

To be fair. With bravo you think 90s, with punto you think 00s.

The bravo/a was more revolutionary for it's time but is definitely dated, more by its proportions than its styling

Both Punto and Bravo were introduced in mid 90's, I think punto was a year or two before Bravo.
Punto replaced Uno.
And Bravo replaced Tipo.

For that times, Bravo was much better looking car than punto.
Punto got an upgrade in 1999 to second generation, which was ugly imo (that's the one which was on the link). It's much smaller, much less comfortable, and much worse handling on the road.
Bravo was discontinues and replaced by Stilo in 2001.
I would agree than newer Grande punto introduced in 2006 looks much more modern than old Bravo.
But 2 gen punto is in general much worse and ugly car comparing to bravo.

I'm not sure what you mean about the proportions.

Toyotafanboi

in the same regard CiniO, there is no point driving the one car forever. you've looked after it, it's looked after you, if it's not really suiting your needs anymore, there's no shame in letting it go because you feel like a change.

sometimes we build up an un-necessary sentimental relationship, we must remember it's just a big pile of metal and plastic.

sure if you got €500, call it a deposit on something else. €2-3 grand can buy a very nice car if you shop wisely.

edit: and just my 2c but the mk2 Punto still looks fresh. The Bravo, as said, while it was revolutionary, hasn't aged all that well and is rather 90's. it's all about perception, not facts.

Toyotafanboi

http://cars.donedeal.ie/cars-for-sale/2007-fiat-bravo-1-4-turbo-150-hp/10152114?offset=4

treat yourself to a new Bravo, that's a lot of car for €4k imo. beautiful looking, great spec, plenty of poke. could easily get another decade out of it i'd say?

Jesus.

Anywhere between 500 quid and a grand

JohnBoy26

Around €350-400 I'd say.

biko

Don't sell it, you'll never get any good money for it. Just keep driving until something too expensive breaks.

Noccy_Mondy

Store it and wait until it becomes a vintage. That new bravo above is a lovely looking car!

166man

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

in the same regard CiniO, there is no point driving the one car forever. you've looked after it, it's looked after you, if it's not really suiting your needs anymore, there's no shame in letting it go because you feel like a change.

sometimes we build up an un-necessary sentimental relationship, we must remember it's just a big pile of metal and plastic.

sure if you got €500, call it a deposit on something else. €2-3 grand can buy a very nice car if you shop wisely.

edit: and just my 2c but the mk2 Punto still looks fresh. The Bravo, as said, while it was revolutionary, hasn't aged all that well and is rather 90's. it's all about perception, not facts.

That's me fvcked so....!


That 156 I'm genuinely planning on keeping forever....:D



Cinio I'd say to the right person as a little runabout youd get between €5-600 for it but again I'd say not worth it to sell.

mickdw

Is this the same car that needed a subframe a few weeks back?

CiniO

mickdw wrote: »

Is this the same car that needed a subframe a few weeks back?

It is - subframe is sorted.

CiniO

166man wrote: »

That's me fvcked so....!


That 156 I'm genuinely planning on keeping forever....:D



Cinio I'd say to the right person as a little runabout youd get between €5-600 for it but again I'd say not worth it to sell.

Definitely won't sell it. It's worth way more than €500 to me.

CiniO

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

in the same regard CiniO, there is no point driving the one car forever. you've looked after it, it's looked after you, if it's not really suiting your needs anymore, there's no shame in letting it go because you feel like a change.

It's just I don't see a point in selling it.
It's worth more for me even just to sit around than those €500 I could get for it.

sometimes we build up an un-necessary sentimental relationship, we must remember it's just a big pile of metal and plastic.

sure if you got €500, call it a deposit on something else. €2-3 grand can buy a very nice car if you shop wisely.

I have another car - C5 1.6hdi which could substitute what bravo is used for now. It just needs to be brought from Poland and NCTed.
Might be handier for wife to go shopping or school pickups with kids, but I still think I'm going to keep the Bravo.

power pants

reckon the bravo looks alot fresher than the punto and very similar to a starlet

power pants

reckon the bravo looks alot fresher than the punto and very similar to a starlet

colm_mcm

CiniO wrote: »

Both Punto and Bravo were introduced in mid 90's, I think punto was a year or two before Bravo.
Punto replaced Uno.
And Bravo replaced Tipo.

For that times, Bravo was much better looking car than punto.
Punto got an upgrade in 1999 to second generation, which was ugly imo (that's the one which was on the link). It's much smaller, much less comfortable, and much worse handling on the road.
Bravo was discontinues and replaced by Stilo in 2001.
I would agree than newer Grande punto introduced in 2006 looks much more modern than old Bravo.
But 2 gen punto is in general much worse and ugly car comparing to bravo.

I'm not sure what you mean about the proportions.

The comparison was made between the bravo and the mk2 punto which came out in late 99.

By proportions, I mean it's a small car by today's standards, and the long low nose is something you don't see on new cars.
I think they're a great looking car. I bought one back in the day.

If I were you and I had the space, I'd keep it. There are so few of them left. Whoever buys it from you will probably be the last owner of it and unless they're an enthusiast it will sadly end up in a scrapyard.

BMJD

How much do you think it's worth? I think you are either being unrealistic or over-sentimental. It will never be a classic/vintage, and will never significantly increase in value, imo. Sometimes you just gotta let go!

Also, the list of spares might read like a list of things that needs to be done. If someone was offering me a bonus gearbox, the first thing I'd think is that the current one is knackered and needs changing!

CiniO

BMJD wrote: »

How much do you think it's worth? I think you are either being unrealistic

Well I was kinda expecting anwers here to be as they are. I know car is not worth much moneywise, but I still decided to start the thread even just for the sake of discussion.

or over-sentimental. It will never be a classic/vintage, and will never significantly increase in value, imo. Sometimes you just gotta let go!

Every car can be classic/vintage.
Why do you think this one can't?
You just need to wait long enough.

Also, the list of spares might read like a list of things that needs to be done. If someone was offering me a bonus gearbox, the first thing I'd think is that the current one is knackered and needs changing!

So you are saying that it's not a good idea to add such items with an advert?

The Sidewards Man

CiniO wrote: »

Every car can be classic/vintage.
Why do you think this one can't?

It will be as popular as a vintage lada.

colm_mcm

Vintage Ladas are popular now though.

CiniO

The Sidewards Man wrote: »

It will be as popular as a vintage lada.

http://allegro.pl/lada-waz-2103-1500-1976r-l-wlasciciel-okazja-i5673179240.html
This one advertised for over €3500, year 1976. 1.5 petrol.

fancy pigeon

If I were you I'd stock up on spare ECU's, both airbag and engine if you want to keep it for a while. Same with checkstraps, subframes and wishbones. Forget that chocolate gearbox too, get a mk2b Punto box with a properly assembled diff. Exhausts usually only last about 6 years before the backbox crumbles again.

Fantastic cars that were let down by Fiat themselves, clueless owners and opinionated muppets having a cheap shneer, then getting bigger arseholes to agree with them. So really, they hadn't much of a chance

Btw the front is very dated on those cars. Marea projectors, wings and petrol bumper freshen them up a bit. I hate the steering wheel too, a 156 wheel and bag are bolt on

Your original query: about €400

Crumbs868

CiniO wrote: »

http://allegro.pl/lada-waz-2103-1500-1976r-l-wlasciciel-okazja-i5673179240.html
This one advertised for over €3500, year 1976. 1.5 petrol.

That's immaculate, you said yours is showing its age and has high mileage so would require thousands of an investment (which no way that you would get this investment back) to be in at a 'vintage' standard

CiniO

Toyotafanboi wrote: »

i would go in asking €750, taking offers over €500.

colm_mcm wrote: »

I'd say ask 500 to get 400

mgbgt1978 wrote: »

There are two Petrol Bravo's on DD right now from that era....both 2000. One dreamer is asking €900 and the more realistic seller is asking €475.

Jesus. wrote: »

Anywhere between 500 quid and a grand

JohnBoy26 wrote: »

Around €350-400 I'd say.

fancy pigeon wrote: »

Your original query: about €400

Hi All.
So a bit of update.
After much thinking, I finally decided to sell it.
Advertised for €950 here
Sold 2 day later for €900.
Only Jesus included such price in his proposed range.

Buyer was delighted with the condition of the vehicle, and was happy to take it at that price.

It shows that general concepts (like that every old fiat is worth nothing) doesn't always work like that. If there was someone will to pay €900, then it means that car was worth €900.

colm_mcm

You did very well there.

Jesus.

CiniO wrote: »

Only Jesus included such price in his proposed range.

Surely that's enough Brownie points for the Mods to stop giving me infractions?

It's a very good ad Cinio. Hope the new owner will keep the car in as good shape as you did.

Jesus.

samih wrote: »

It's a very good ad Cinio. Hope the new owner will keep the car in as good shape as you did.

Absolutely. Cinio that was indeed a very good Ad. Fair play