Get rid of windscreen discs...

dogmatix

http://www.theaa.ie/blog/aa-wants-windscreen-discs-scrapped/

Sounds like a good idea – would certainly mean a cleaner, clearer windscreen.

The downside might be for private buyers trying to verify (on the spot) if a car is properly taxed, insured and nct’d.

benjamin d

Meh... I think they're a fairly handy thing to have visible. And I wouldn't trust the government not to monumentally F up their replacement.

Cabaal

dogmatix wrote: »

The downside might be for private buyers trying to verify (on the spot) if a car is properly taxed, insured and nct’d.

Also a person trying to note insurance details after a crash or tip, being able to see the disc and note policy details has an advantage over trusting the driver to give you accurate details.

If they did get rid of the discs then we'd have to pass a law to make it a legal requirement for drivers to carry insurance details with them, the same way as German drivers must do.

CiniO

Brilliant idea to scrap this loads of paper we all have to carry on our windscreens.
Windscreen is there to let driver see what's around him - not to accommodate for some vehicle documents like tax, insurance or NCT.

emeldc

dogmatix wrote: »

http://www.theaa.ie/blog/aa-wants-windscreen-discs-scrapped/

Sounds like a good idea – would certainly mean a cleaner, clearer windscreen.

The downside might be for private buyers trying to verify (on the spot) if a car is properly taxed, insured and nct’d.

I doubt they'll get rid of the NCT cert, whatever about the disc. I would be much happier buying a car that had a few old certs to verify the mileage. I certainly wouldn't buy a car if the current cert wasn't available.

ShaunieVW

It won't happen anytime soon as the Garda ANPR is less than useable here it seems. I hate the things, I have a black disc holder so it's not as bad as those colourful insurance ones. I'd rather a disc on the window than carrying around important documents in the glovebox however.

jimgoose

Call me old-fashioned, but I think there's something proper and Christian about the Terrible Three present in physical paper form on the windscreen. It certainly simplifies the question of whether a given vehicle is kosher. And like another poster above, I just know that any attempt by the clodhoppers here to scrap the paper and move the lot to some sort of ANPR setup linked to various databases will end in at least four different and yet identical disasters. :pac:

Bio Mech

CiniO wrote: »

Windscreen is there to let driver see what's around him

Technically its there to screen you from the wind

Stephenc66

As said by ShaunieW Garda ANPR needed. No more tax discs in the UK but their APNR systems are very good. And the police regularly have APNR checkpoints Insurance and Tax often in Motorway service stations. You may only know you have had a flash when the notice arrives in the post.

Atlantic Dawn

NCT date should go on to the tax disc and you should get an updatted tax disc when you do the NCT. I prefer having the insurance disc visible.

challengemaster

Bio Mech wrote: »

Technically its there to screen you from the wind

Indeed, I believe it's your eyes that are there to let you see. :pac:

They use optical character recognition and can read six number plates per second on vehicles travelling up to 180kmh. They are deployed in every garda division and work impressively well.

Wonder who'll be the first to test driving through the M50 at >180 to try avoid paying the toll.

foxy farmer

Ever watch AGS check the discs at a routine checkpoint? They only read the large date numbers. Very rarely check the reg no. against the details on the discs. I know of 2 incidents of tax and ins discs being stolen out of cars. No doubt fakes and copies being used as well.
As a driver of a Land Rover Defender my only gripe is 3 discs is a major obstruction on my field of view! The windscreen is small enough. 2 discs was bad but the introduction of the CVRT disc is more trouble!

seamus

dogmatix wrote: »

The downside might be for private buyers trying to verify (on the spot) if a car is properly taxed, insured and nct’d.

Just implement an open database. You put in the reg and it tells you what date it's taxed until, whether there's an active policy (and who the insurer is) and what date it's NCTed until.

That protects buyers.

Then you have the same for insurance companies, but with more information. They can put in a reg and find out who the current insurer is and the name and address of the vehicle owner. This means that in the event of a crash, all you need is the reg. If the insurance company discover there's no insurance on the vehicle, a file is automatically opened with the Gardai and a notification sent to the registered address.

The Gardai should then have a link to everything with ANPR which should show absolutely everything, including any claims outstanding (especially if there was no insurance), if the registered owner is banned or has any recent convictions, and so forth.

5W30

seamus wrote: »

Just implement an open database. You put in the reg and it tells you what date it's taxed until, whether there's an active policy (and who the insurer is) and what date it's NCTed until.

That protects buyers.

Then you have the same for insurance companies, but with more information. They can put in a reg and find out who the current insurer is and the name and address of the vehicle owner. This means that in the event of a crash, all you need is the reg. If the insurance company discover there's no insurance on the vehicle, a file is automatically opened with the Gardai and a notification sent to the registered address.

The Gardai should then have a link to everything with ANPR which should show absolutely everything, including any claims outstanding (especially if there was no insurance), if the registered owner is banned or has any recent convictions, and so forth.

The thing is though something like this is so easy to do that I am surprised it hasn't been done yet.

The government should build a site like this where insurers can specify a certain registration is insured to a certain date, Motor Tax office can specify a certain registration is taxed to a certain date and the NCTS can specify a certain registration is NCT'd until a certain date.

Really basic system. Wouldn't be hard to hook that up to ANPR!

Tea 1000

Many bits of paper on the windscreen is pointless.
NCT is useless without looking at the full cert. I keep all my certs so that future buyers can see a history of the mileage. Insurance is useless. I can drive other cars and the other cars don't have to be insured, so that means every time I drive my wifes car for example, that insurance disk is null and void for as long as I'm driving it. If I'm stopped, the gards want to see my own insurance details. So the disk is pointless.
Tax shouldn't be on the windscreen. There's an electronic record in existance of what's taxed and not. Use that.
It's bad enough that dealers plaster the back windows (and destroy the wires/aerials), but the front is becoming a joke - toll tags, 3 disks, parkmagic disk, work parking permit disks, what next?! It's a wonder we don't have to stick our license up there and our full insurance cert!

Alanstrainor

5W30 wrote: »

The thing is though something like this is so easy to do that I am surprised it hasn't been done yet.

The government should build a site like this where insurers can specify a certain registration is insured to a certain date, Motor Tax office can specify a certain registration is taxed to a certain date and the NCTS can specify a certain registration is NCT'd until a certain date.

Really basic system. Wouldn't be hard to hook that up to ANPR!

Yup. That's the answer really. If a private company was set up to implement a system it would be relatively cheap, and a quick process to organise. However, for a government body to set up, it would take 3 years +.

_Kaiser_

I have to agree with the idea that this would be implemented in the usual half-assed away by our "leaders" and result in greater expense and inconvenience for the average motorist, while no doubt creating gaps for the more devious to manipulate.

Besides, it's 3 relatively small pieces of paper.. I don't see the problem. I have mine in the bottom left corner of the windscreen as far down as the holders will go and never even notice them. If you have them somerwhere stupid like beside/beneath the rear-view mirror maybe, or in the top-left/right corner where it might obscure say signposts or traffic lights when you're stopped then all you need to do is move them.

jimgoose

Does anyone else start twitching and feel the urge to injure someone when they see tatty/torn/half-falling-down disc holders? Especially ones that are <GULP> three separate holders?!? :mad:

Stephenc66

5W30 wrote: »

The thing is though something like this is so easy to do that I am surprised it hasn't been done yet.

The government should build a site like this where insurers can specify a certain registration is insured to a certain date, Motor Tax office can specify a certain registration is taxed to a certain date and the NCTS can specify a certain registration is NCT'd until a certain date.

Really basic system. Wouldn't be hard to hook that up to ANPR!

This is exactly how it works in the UK. It is mandatory that the insures register details on the national insurance data base

emeldc

jimgoose wrote: »

Does anyone else start twitching and feel the urge to injure someone when they see tatty/torn/half-falling-down disc holders? Especially ones that are <GULP> three separate holders?!? :mad:

It doesn't upset me as much as back to front 'L' plates or now, upside down 'N' plates. WTF is that about.

5W30

emeldc wrote: »

It doesn't upset me as much as back to front 'L' plates or now, upside down 'N' plates. WTF is that about.

An upside down N-plate is still an N-plate.

JackHeuston

In Italy we are required to display only the insurance disc (which is smaller than the Irish one, too) and that's it, when I went through the process of importing my car here I started noticing all this stuff on the windshield, some people even have four discs.

Back home NCT is only Police's business and they will check it when you're pulled over or go through a checkpoint, tax is automatically checked every year by the local council and you'll receive a letter if you didn't pay it. No reason to show these things at all times on the windshield. I guess the insurance disc is still there just because of the past and for convenience, now Police already knows if your car is insurance and tested or not, but they have to manually check it instead of simply looking to a date printed on a disc (which could be fake, anyway).

Probably keeping the insurance disc on the windshield helps citizens to report cars being parked on public streets or even being driven without being covered.

Also our front licence plates are much, much smaller... it feels like the front of Irish cars is so crowded compared to other countries

bear1

emeldc wrote: »

It doesn't upset me as much as back to front 'L' plates or now, upside down 'N' plates. WTF is that about.

Ermm... so N plates are annoying for you when they are turned upside down to then be an N plate?

emeldc

5W30 wrote: »

An upside down N-plate is still an N-plate.

bear1 wrote: »

Ermm... so N plates are annoying for you when they are turned upside down to then be an N plate?

So I should have said 'wrong way around', but then I think you knew what I meant. I humbly apologise and will try to do better next time.

savagethegoat

Until we have a proper computer system like they have in the Uk, we're better off with the discs.

bear1

emeldc wrote: »

So I should have said 'wrong way around', but then I think you knew what I meant. I humbly apologise and will try to do better next time.

So a backwards N? :pac:

Tea 1000

I think we here on boards should form a company to get this APNR database system off the ground.
Step 1. - Make proposal to Government.
Step 2. - Bribe necessary decision maker by promising a small amount of money.
Step 3. - Decide on how big our bonuses will be.
Step 4. - Outsource the building of the actual system.

CiniO

JackHeuston wrote: »

In Italy we are required to display only the insurance disc (which is smaller than the Irish one, too) and that's it, when I went through the process of importing my car here I started noticing all this stuff on the windshield, some people even have four discs.

Back home NCT is only Police's business and they will check it when you're pulled over or go through a checkpoint, tax is automatically checked every year by the local council and you'll receive a letter if you didn't pay it. No reason to show these things at all times on the windshield. I guess the insurance disc is still there just because of the past and for convenience, now Police already knows if your car is insurance and tested or not, but they have to manually check it instead of simply looking to a date printed on a disc (which could be fake, anyway).

In Poland we never had to display anything on the windscreen, until 15 years ago when new style reg plates were introduced, and we need to display a little sticker with number plate.
In theory this is to prevent people from using fake plates as sticker is not so easy to move as number plates itself, but IMO it's total nonsense.
When it comes to insurance and roadworthiness test, this has to be carried by a driver. Driver needs to carry registration cert (which is in a form of small book similar size to old Irish driving licenes) and has roadworthiness validity stamped in it. Insurance cert is in a form of another piece of paper (usually small) which you need to carry with you.
If police stops you, you need to show them all above.

Probably keeping the insurance disc on the windshield helps citizens to report cars being parked on public streets or even being driven without being covered.

But that's no good at all, as plenty of people might be driving using "driving other cars extension" on their own policy and having no disc while being covered.
The same someone might be driving a car which has a disc, but not be covered as he is not listed as named driver on a car policy.
In general Irish insurance system is way to complicated for simple disc to sort out problems like that.
Carrying insurance cert with you when driving (which lists exactly who is covered to drive) would make much more sense than having discs on the windows.
Ideally you'd want garda to have access to database with all that info, but having such info always up to date (considering anyone car add or remove drivers from their policy whenever they want) is probably years ago considering how similar system work in this country.

ANPR is just a system of recognition of number plates, and has nothing to do really with having or not having discs on the window.

Also our front licence plates are much, much smaller... it feels like the front of Irish cars is so crowded compared to other countries

Front number plate is generally the same size all over EU.
I think Italy is the only exception. Belgium also used to have different size plates, but now amended to suit standard EU size.

Yakuza

Tea 1000 wrote: »

Tax shouldn't be on the windscreen be built into the price of fuel.

FYP

I'm all for removing bits of paper from the windscreen. It doesn't really affect my vision as mine are down on the bottom left as I'm looking at it, but in this day and age all relevant information should be available online / an automated phone line.

mickoneill31

While I agree with the idea, it'll probably cost millions for our bureaucrats to replace with a system that just relies on number plates.

It doesn't sound that difficult to me but then neither did setting up a system to manage water or setting up a system that would use unique numbers for health records.

endacl

jimgoose wrote: »

Call me old-fashioned, but I think there's something proper and Christian about the Terrible Three present in physical paper form on the windscreen. It certainly simplifies the question of whether a given vehicle is kosher.

I'm pretty sure that would be an ecumenical matter.

:pac:

fancy pigeon

bear1 wrote: »

So a backwards N? :pac:

No a sideways reversed Z

bear1

fancy pigeon wrote: »

No a sideways reversed Z

Shure that's just a fancy N now, the type of N that just wants to be unique and not part of the typical N crowd.
Then you have the Ns that live in the fancy parts of the country and those we call Ms.

TherapyBoy

Tea 1000 wrote: »

I think we here on boards should form a company to get this APNR database system off the ground.
Step 1. - Make proposal to Government.
Step 2. - Bribe necessary decision maker by promising a small amount of money.
Step 3. - Decide on how big our bonuses will be.
Step 4. - Outsource the building of the actual system.

I like your style, promote this man immediately!!

frozenfrozen

they should have it all on anpr, lower the tax and actually attempt to have full compliance. I'd rather have **** roads with everyone paying their fair share instead of having half of us ejits paying for every other tax dodging person.

anyone with a colour printer can whack out a passable tax disk for the garda quick look at the year on the disk check

Eric Cartman

How about even just one combination disk on your window.

require NCT to tax the car,
insurance policy number is given to motor tax
the big numbers are the Month and year of the earliest expiring of the 3.

if your nct expires before your tax is out , the nct centre issue a new combination disk with the tax details still on it , if your car is off the road with no nct your tax pauses until its back on the road so your not wasting money. if your insurance expires before the others do you apply through d'internet and have a new disk with the new policy number / date issued.

now this would require some joined up thinking from the nct and tax people so probably impossible, but it would sure cut down on windscreen real estate and not require the much more complex anpr lark being sorted.

5W30

Eric Cartman wrote: »

How about even just one combination disk on your window.

require NCT to tax the car,
insurance policy number is given to motor tax
the big numbers are the Month and year of the earliest expiring of the 3.

if your nct expires before your tax is out , the nct centre issue a new combination disk with the tax details still on it , if your insurance expires before the others do you apply through d'internet and have a new disk with the new policy number / date issued.

now this would require some joined up thinking from the nct and tax people so probably impossible, but it would sure cut down on windscreen real estate and not require the much more complex anpr lark being sorted.

Your suggestion is a lot more complicated than simply doing what the UK does - putting everything online.

Eric Cartman

5W30 wrote: »

Your suggestion is a lot more complicated than simply doing what the UK does - putting everything online.

my suggestion doesn't require insurance details database being handed to the gardai , which at the moment is the single biggest issue with moving that way due to some bs about data protection.

you could even probably do away with NCT, DOE and tax disks handy enough at this point and only have the insurance one present as a stop gap.

5W30

Eric Cartman wrote: »

my suggestion doesn't require insurance details database being handed to the gardai , which at the moment is the single biggest issue with moving that way due to some bs about data protection.

you could even probably do away with NCT, DOE and tax disks handy enough at this point and only have the insurance one present as a stop gap.

There is no need to give insurance details to the Gardai. All the insurers would need to do is set an expiry date for a policy for a particular vehicle using their log in details on the government site when someone takes out a policy and set the insurance as expired if the policy is cancelled.

A lot less work rather than 3 parties trying to cooperate with each other, which won't be 3 because there's a dozen other insurance companies. They can hardly send out documents on time already!

CiniO

Eric Cartman wrote: »

How about even just one combination disk on your window.

require NCT to tax the car,

Hardly can be done, as there's no law requiring vehicle to have valid NCT in order to tax it.
F.e. you can park vehicle without NCT on public road, but you can not park it without tax. So there must be an option to tax it without NCT.

insurance policy number is given to motor tax

But this policy can be cancelled next day - what would happen to disc?

the big numbers are the Month and year of the earliest expiring of the 3.

if your nct expires before your tax is out , the nct centre issue a new combination disk with the tax details still on it , if your car is off the road with no nct your tax pauses until its back on the road so your not wasting money. if your insurance expires before the others do you apply through d'internet and have a new disk with the new policy number / date issued.

now this would require some joined up thinking from the nct and tax people so probably impossible, but it would sure cut down on windscreen real estate and not require the much more complex anpr lark being sorted.

Idea to reduce amoutn of discs from 3 to 1 is good.
But It would be very hard to make it work.
Much easier to get rid of discs at all.

BohsCeltic

Eric Cartman wrote: »

How about even just one combination disk on your window.

require NCT to tax the car,
insurance policy number is given to motor tax
the big numbers are the Month and year of the earliest expiring of the 3.

if your nct expires before your tax is out , the nct centre issue a new combination disk with the tax details still on it , if your car is off the road with no nct your tax pauses until its back on the road so your not wasting money. if your insurance expires before the others do you apply through d'internet and have a new disk with the new policy number / date issued.

now this would require some joined up thinking from the nct and tax people so probably impossible, but it would sure cut down on windscreen real estate and not require the much more complex anpr lark being sorted.

Quite a lot of people pay their car tax quarterly.

Irish Steve

BohsCeltic wrote: »

Quite a lot of people pay their car tax quarterly.

So, put it on to the fuel instead, and it's Pay as you Go, and if you don't go, you don't pay. Now that driving licenses are no longer dealt with by local authorities, if there's no road tax discs either, that frees up a whole load of office space and a whole load of civil servants to do something productive instead.

cerastes

CiniO wrote: »

In Poland we never had to display anything on the windscreen, until 15 years ago when new style reg plates were introduced, and we need to display a little sticker with number plate.
In theory this is to prevent people from using fake plates as sticker is not so easy to move as number plates itself, but IMO it's total nonsense.
When it comes to insurance and roadworthiness test, this has to be carried by a driver. Driver needs to carry registration cert (which is in a form of small book similar size to old Irish driving licenes) and has roadworthiness validity stamped in it. Insurance cert is in a form of another piece of paper (usually small) which you need to carry with you.
If police stops you, you need to show them all above.

But that's no good at all, as plenty of people might be driving using "driving other cars extension" on their own policy and having no disc while being covered.
The same someone might be driving a car which has a disc, but not be covered as he is not listed as named driver on a car policy.
In general Irish insurance system is way to complicated for simple disc to sort out problems like that.
Carrying insurance cert with you when driving (which lists exactly who is covered to drive) would make much more sense than having discs on the windows.
Ideally you'd want garda to have access to database with all that info, but having such info always up to date (considering anyone car add or remove drivers from their policy whenever they want) is probably years ago considering how similar system work in this country.

ANPR is just a system of recognition of number plates, and has nothing to do really with having or not having discs on the window.


Front number plate is generally the same size all over EU.
I think Italy is the only exception. Belgium also used to have different size plates, but now amended to suit standard EU size.

How is carrying a little book with all the particulars any better or any more convenient than the current system? It sounds even worse and would come with a host of problems, lost books, missing, whatever, no better and probably worse than the system which everyone currently recognises and understands.
I think a complete online system would be good, but a disc is a quick and handy reference to check, as along with an online system requires a lot of extra things like training equipment and cost, just providing access for gardai, current system works, just back it up with online, and only possibly phase out a paper system when a new system proves it works and has all the bugs ironed out.

Yakuza wrote: »

FYP

I'm all for removing bits of paper from the windscreen. It doesn't really affect my vision as mine are down on the bottom left as I'm looking at it, but in this day and age all relevant information should be available online / an automated phone line.

Good idea, but not as straightforward as it sounds, what about areas where web access isn't possible, especially areas like say, oh in don't know? Donegal who have a proclivity for not taxing vehicles and are just left at it.

mickoneill31 wrote: »

While I agree with the idea, it'll probably cost millions for our bureaucrats to replace with a system that just relies on number plates.

It doesn't sound that difficult to me but then neither did setting up a system to manage water or setting up a system that would use unique numbers for health records.

Exactly, should be relatively easy, but can just see it taking years, jobs for the boys, bonuses and then still end up being scrapped.

frozenfrozen wrote: »

they should have it all on anpr, lower the tax and actually attempt to have full compliance. I'd rather have **** roads with everyone paying their fair share instead of having half of us ejits paying for every other tax dodging person.

anyone with a colour printer can whack out a passable tax disk for the garda quick look at the year on the disk check

Disc for quick reference with online back up.

Eric Cartman wrote: »

How about even just one combination disk on your window.

require NCT to tax the car,
insurance policy number is given to motor tax
the big numbers are the Month and year of the earliest expiring of the 3.

if your nct expires before your tax is out , the nct centre issue a new combination disk with the tax details still on it , if your car is off the road with no nct your tax pauses until its back on the road so your not wasting money. if your insurance expires before the others do you apply through d'internet and have a new disk with the new policy number / date issued.

now this would require some joined up thinking from the nct and tax people so probably impossible, but it would sure cut down on windscreen real estate and not require the much more complex anpr lark being sorted.

A combination disc is the worst I'll concerned idea, tax and ins have nothing to do with each other or nct, none may overlap at the same time, and there'd be legitimate reason to pay quarterly as mentioned already, so that idea could affect the least we'll off worst, maybe encouraging non compliance even more.better to deal with each organisation in isolation, difficult enough to deal with them that way, can you imagine trying to get govt body, NGO, and a private organisation to organise a single disc where none have any vested interest in the others aspect/business? It would be a nightmare, add cost and workload for the idea that it would be some benefit? It wouldn't,

If your discs are low down they shouldn't be a problem excluding a very small number of makes which wouldn't represent a proportion of vehicles to justify change.
I see discs mounted high and to the left side of windscreen, which can obscure view, should all be mounted in the one place, bottom left as low as possible.

bear1

The other thing about the polish version is that they also include your social security number in the document.
If you lose the document its also a right pain in the hole to get a replacement and its as risky as hell to drive around until you get a replacement.

5W30

bear1 wrote: »

The other thing about the polish version is that they also include your social security number in the document.
If you lose the document its also a right pain in the hole to get a replacement and its as risky as hell to drive around until you get a replacement.

Exactly, there's no need to do it.

I think the UK have a perfect system at the minute. The funny thing is a decent programmer could build such a website in an afternoon on his own. All that needs to be done is forcing Motor Tax Office, NCTS and insurance companies to log the details there as cars get taxed, get NCT'd and get insured.

Not much difficulty giving the Gardai a feed into the system using ANPR. All you need is a registration plate and internet access in the car.

galwaytt

Alanstrainor wrote: »

Yup. That's the answer really. If a private company was set up to implement a system it would be relatively cheap, and a quick process to organise. However, for a government body to set up, it would take 3 years +.

cheap ? LOL. This is the State we're talking about.......

....hold on, I have DO'B on the other line, just to get a ball park number of that............"what's that you say, PPARS budget..?"

Yeah, he says it's do-able.

cerastes

5W30 wrote: »

Exactly, there's no need to do it.

I think the UK have a perfect system at the minute. The funny thing is a decent programmer could build such a website in an afternoon on his own. All that needs to be done is forcing Motor Tax Office, NCTS and insurance companies to log the details there as cars get taxed, get NCT'd and get insured.

Not much difficulty giving the Gardai a feed into the system using ANPR. All you need is a registration plate and internet access in the car.

Internet acess into the car you say? no problem, I forsee no issues whatsoever, how much is this going to cost? and how reliable is it? sure they couldnt get their own radios sorted for a numbe of reasons, but it just isnt as straightforward as people make out to get a system up and running, so individual gardai ended up using their own phones, technically, maybe it should be easy and straightforward but it wont just go that easy and previous exisiting examples shows this to be true when large organisations and public funds are involved.
what about if they cant get internet access? just let people move on? and no other means to verify particulars? like say a disc, which on close inspection can be verified visually if required. Even if discs dont have to be displayed, i see no benefit to not keeping that in a disc holder in the glovebox, but really they are just better off up on the screen.
its simple and cheap, we cant seem to do organised and better without fcuking it up and wasting money, if we could great, but it will be like pouring money down the drain, better to improve current means to check relevant items using technology, rather than replacing a current system without even a tried, tested and proven working replacement sytem.

whats the urgency to replace discs? with a web based system? why not just support the current system until its reliabity makes the use of discs defunct, until then discs are useful.

CreepingDeath

How about giving the driver the option of putting the discs on ANY window in the car... rear, side etc.

Costs nothing... gives the driver the option of picking the window that least impacts their visibility for their type of vehicle.

07Lapierre

The US system is better. Insurance and Tax included on the vehicle number plate.

Each plate is unique for the DRIVER (not the car). You register your plate along with the make model of your car. If you change your car you update the info online (and pay the appropriate fee)

http://www.travel-images.com/pht/usa2337.jpg

5W30

07Lapierre wrote: »

The US system is better. Insurance and Tax included on the vehicle number plate.

Each plate is unique for the DRIVER (not the car). You register your plate along with the make model of your car. If you change your car you update the info online (and pay the appropriate fee)

http://www.travel-images.com/pht/usa2337.jpg

Unfortunately it wouldn't be possible to change car registrations from car to driver in Ireland. Especially with the year printed on the plate. Plenty of better options.

07Lapierre

5W30 wrote: »

Unfortunately it wouldn't be possible to change car registrations from car to driver in Ireland. Especially with the year printed on the plate. Plenty of better options.

Examples?